stalkervision, you are a poor, poor person!

robtek

That may be but at least I don't whine like a little girl all the time about my favorite toy being broke.. :P :lol:

Finally, an admission of guilt.

You guys broke the toy.

No one else.


And don't you dare threaten me boy. There are very real legal remedies for that.

nope... we just keep on playing with "broken" toy ... while you're crying and bitching like spoiled child for two months now ... get over it ... play or don't play but you have no power to stop me from playing .

but pappa Oleg already making new toy for you ... so wipe your hypocrites tears off ......

why do hack guys have to treat oleg so bad, he has really give alot to us. don't talk here in his house talk at arcade so he don't have to see

Hey All,
I have been enjoying (extreme sarcasm) the debate on this issue from the sideline for the past several weeks. It's hard to go to any forum and not be inundated with threads on this subject. (Four on this site alone).

Why do I bring this up? Well, from the sheer number of posts on the subject and the obvious deep rooted feelings on both sides of the issue this is not a subject that is going away...unfortunately.

So, maybe it's time that we took a few steps back and viewed this from fresh perspectives.

As to if or if not the sound mod was a legal or illegal addition to the game really is a moot point. Whether someone installs the sound mod is also irrelevant.

No the only problem that exists is when someone uses the mod to deliberately change an aspect of his/her aircraft capabilities for online play against unaltered opponents. Then and only then does one become a cheat and that is the crux of the matter. The unfortunate problem with this is we are dealing with human nature. There are those that will cheat just for the sake of doing so, there are some that will cheat because they can, and of course there are a few that will do it just to be malicious and hopefully hurt someone else by doing so.

No matter how hard the community pushes to prevent cheats from entering online play; there will be someone willing to work just as hard to break back in and cheat some more. Again I fall back to Human Nature as the real fight here.

And where does this leave us??

A compromise? Really and truly the only way to fight the problem is to combine efforts to police the servers and expel and deny cheaters when they are caught. Difficult to do I realize, and that is where a compromise is needed as it will take everyone from the modder, the onliner/offliner to the game developer to fight.

While Oleg and his crew have much bigger issues than IL-2 keeping them busy, their part of this fight will be in SOW:BOB and future games.

That my friends leaves us to handle the current and short term issues of fair play and the on going health of the IL-2 community.

So, the short end of this deal is that until all the name calling, finger pointing and schoolyard behavior ends; and a real dialog of communication is opened, then nothing, absolutely nothing will ever change.


WG

OK, so the EULA is not tied to the license issue, HOWEVER, there is a law being broken (if license fees are not paid) and that's the point. Whether or not it's a EULA issue is irrelevant. The hack, to the best of my knowledge, redistributes the ENTIRE executable file and if that's not a "...substantial amount of code..." then I don't know what is. Even if the hack is/were just
a patch file it is still utilizing almost 100% of someone else's code.

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Obviously this is not a real issue b/c no one is going to go after anyone, BUT, it would be nice if the hackers would stop saying they have the right to do whatever they want to with the code and redistribute it at will.
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If I'm mistaken about the hack and what it redistributes, then I must acquiesce on this point.

--Outlaw.

"sound mod" ? gimme a break !

lets just look at the behavior and actions of the people that use the hacked files and what this is about, emm because the people japping about it here are not programmers that are trying to improve the game, its spotty faced teens who who found a hack somewhere online and now try and pretend they are kool.

all this is about is a way to cheat online to make up for their otherwise poor performance on legitimate servers.

- do they have oleg's permission to alter the files and code, ...no ! so it is theft of property and illegal.
- will they openly reveal and own up they are using hacked files when they join legitimate online servers, ...no ! so they are liars
- will they selectively reduce the performance of some of the planes that are actually overmodeled in 1946 (like the jak-9 or i-16) and then fly those planes,..... nope, they will only increase the performance of planes they personally like and choose to fly,... so they cheat to get an advantage !
- is this file edit used exclusively to improve the game (new terrain textures, new ground objects, better visibility 190 cockpit,...), without allowing selective increased aircraft performance for frustrated teens who cant fly when they join servers online ? ... nope, whatever way they try and package their crap justifications, its all about cheating online.

so the people that use the hack and try and justify it lie, steal, and cheat.

dont waste your time trying to have a logical common sense argument with them, just ban the little jerks from all the legitimate forums and let them crawl back under the rock they came from where they can "mutually gratify themselves" while they play with their zits and pretend to be cool.

there is a full year to go before BoB is released, and oleg has stated he doesnt have the time or resources to keep fixing whatever these little vandals keep breaking, so say bye bye to il2's popularity online. all this will harm the flightsim community which is already small to start out with.

and to be rude enough to post that crap in this forum says it all. do you think this is what oleg has been doing all his hard work for ?

LoL, exactly.

And u don see where that logic fails, yes?, no?


U want honest players to be NICE to u and your kind because u can make things even worse?...Are u on drugs?


Rerspect for cheaters?...Now i know your delusional.


What i dont understand is why u are still able to post here......u and some of your friends should have been banned a long time ago.

........... :roll: