Originally Posted by Mr Greezy (Post 89522)

I don't really get this whole "arcading it down" for the masses when it comes to console. Look at Forza 3. Or the juggernaut Grand Turismo series. FPS games rarely have "simulators" but even now the Operation Flashpoint series is coming to console. I get that you have to have a mode that lets people who aren't hard core enjoy the game. Totally understandable. But know what? When I bought Forza 2 I wanted to get into it more. I wanted to turn off the assists. In order to compete online with that I needed a wheel. But that's that next level of the game that I really enjoy. I COULD still be happy playing the simplified version of the game, but I don't, because that's not me.

I guess it's like, for a company who has a history of making authentic, in-depth games, why penalize the fanbase you've built by ignoring a clearly important aspect of the "simulation"? It's the same business with all the controller discussion. It's a WWII flight combat game. You want to play in the simulation mode, you should think about dropping the $40 and get an Aviator at least (if that breaks your bank, my condolences).

After hearing Anton's views on the whole "why can't we play as the Germans in the campaign" debate, it's clear to me that he feels like Axis airplanes are very much in second place. While I disagreed with EVERY reason he gave, and even much of his views on the subject of war, his decision to focus on Allied aircraft in and out of the campaign, I'm sure, is more of a time and resources decision. Not every company has the infinite budget that iD or Valve or in-house EA franchises do (or name your big-budget game).

This whole "strive for excellence" thing sounds a little self-important, and a little naive about the gaming industry.

But, I'm with you, it still really bugs me...this lack of attention to some really impressive fighter planes that served in WWII (regardless of nation). And now that Axis planes have no cockpit in multiplayer, as I said before, that now affects the gameplay. It's much easier to see everything in the HUD display, so those true Allied simmers are going to be at a disadvantage. And dammit, the Me 109 in all it's variants (specifically the G2) is my favorite plane ever. It's just a cool friggin' airplane. And it's not like it's obscure. It's really sad that I can't line shots up through the reticule, and instead am forced do it on some display that looks like it's out of a modern jet fighter. Luh-ame.

Anton, if you're reading this, I'm not saying all this because I hate the game. I actually dug the demo so much, as I said, I bought an Ace Edge. I think we're all a little distraught because we feel like it's not what we were hoping it to be. A pretty obvious detail is sadly missing (according to some French dudes).

So, in conclusion, WAAAAAAA.

Originally Posted by Riceball (Post 89517)

The way I see it, PC gamers are the ones who are most upset about the game missing this or MAYBE missing that. Because they've had great games in the genre for a long time now.

Console gamers, like myself, will be much more forgiving simply because a game like this has never been made. Does that mean I would be happy that the game is missing one or two important things? No. But some substituted cockpits and some missing cockpits (supposedly) won't turn me away one bit.

BTW, if it is true there are missing pits I would bet my bottom dollar there will be an update that includes them on day one or shortly thereafter.

Originally Posted by juz1 (Post 89543)

no cockpit for bombers I seem to remember...

so IF there is no cockpits in multi player so be it...better luck next time....

perhaps when they said mp sim locked-in cockpit that includes virtual...

I still think 16 way mp online dogfights even with virtual cockpits will be Awesome...

100 posts already...sheeeshh...i wonder if ANY of these cockpit concerns will be mentioned in tonights webcast?

Originally Posted by Nike-it (Post 89536)

Do not create several threads about the same subject!
And do not persuade Anton to answer asap. I think hi will do when very soon.

Originally Posted by H Lecter (Post 89599)

calm down everyone, here is an excerpt from the live demo on UStream:

2:24 danneale: ok here goes
2:25 danneale: Mark from 505 Games here
2:25 danneale: fire questions(not all at once!)
2:25 MARTIANS: yeh, go ahead, ask me
2:25 MARTIANS: ;-)
2:25 H_Lecter: is there a cockpit view for the german planes or not?
2:25 spunkyrakune: What game modes will be availaboe in MP?
2:26 elneilios84: will there be a flightstick bundle?
2:26 MARTIANS: do you have freeflight on all the maps?
2:26 danneale: Yes there is a cockpit view for German planes
2:26 H_Lecter: real or virtual cockpit..?
2:27 danneale: IN MP - Dogfight, team dogfight, strike, capture the airfield, up to 16 players
2:27 danneale: flightsticks are avilable, and supported... it will depend on individual retailers
2:27 Spotter5: Can we pilot the ME262 in multiplayer/singleplayer?
2:27 danneale: real cockpits
2:27 RawKryptonite: In ground strike, will each team be set to use a certain number of full sized bombers? assign player(s) to it? are there "slots" for bombers to fill so teams have equal number of them?
2:28 danneale: (almost every plane historically correct)
2:28 danneale: a couple without cockpit views
2:28 H_Lecter: *hugs mark and everyone else*
2:28 H_Lecter: it must be xmas, thanks guys!
2:28 elneilios84: that is very good news about real cockpits

Originally Posted by cydno (Post 89606)

I feel relief somehow :-P

Originally Posted by H Lecter (Post 89607)

Great relief here too. I take it as granted that there will be a playable BF109 with cockpit view. Everything else would really not make sense and I can't imagine any developer studio with such bad judgement.

This game is still everything I was dreaming of and I can't wait for it to be released :grin:

Originally Posted by Gilgenbach (Post 89608)

Leaves the question open why we dont get any feedback from anton, who was reading this thread a couple of minutes ago. If the question is so easily answered, why not then?

Originally Posted by trk29 (Post 89620)

Just be happy he answers some questions for us. You tell me another company where the CEO comes in and talks to the public. Everybody needs to chill out!

Originally Posted by Ace Rimmer (Post 89629)

Well hopefully the cockpit issue can be put to rest now but it seems like there is more to it...

Originally Posted by trk29 (Post 89632)

Well we are at thirteen pages of a huge speculation thread I myself would love to reads comments that are true about the game instead of every post being someone threatening not to buy the game. Or there is a conspiracy theory as to why we are not getting all of them.

Originally Posted by SleepTrgt (Post 89633)

He wish he could tell us stuff but its not all allowed by the publishers aswell.

Originally Posted by SleepTrgt (Post 89633)

I think Anton is just very tired cleaning up all the rumours.
He wish he could tell us stuff but its not all allowed by the publishers aswell.

Originally Posted by Ace Rimmer (Post 89634)

No offense but this whole cockpit issue is a perfect example why forums exist. There is a need for a community to discuss issues especially when they aren't being answered. The so called conformation given that German cockpits will be included seems very insincere given the concern expressed by the community.

I just took a quick look at the game's website and I couldn't find any mention of cockpit views at all. What does that mean? It could be nothing, or it could mean they are covering their a&*es.

Originally Posted by trk29 (Post 89643)

I know why forums exist but when everyone is saying stuff like "the devs are being lazy" and "they are not buying the game" and "why doesn't anton comment on it"

This thread just didn't have a good vibe and there was so much criticism being thrown when it was all speculation, from another website that didn't have all of the facts, which in turn they were going off of speculation.

Originally Posted by Molgera (Post 89645)

Edit to answer trk29 : to me an executive producer taking that much time to answer trolls on forums (I'm not saying everybody is a troll here) means the team doesn't know what it is doing. I've never heard about 1946 team asking advice from 13 year-olds (how old are you, guiltyspark ?)

Originally Posted by H Lecter (Post 89657)

It is a wise choice to ask the customer what he wants to see. The majority on this forum is >19 I would guess. I'm 34 and becoming 35 next week.

I have no idea about guiltyspark's age, but he is not the only visitor on this forum and generally it is very mature. As a comparison I recommend visiting the Battlefield 1943 forum. This is the place where you find trolls and all kind of people who were raised by monkeys...

Originally Posted by H Lecter (Post 89657)

It is a wise choice to ask the customer what he wants to see.

Originally Posted by Molgera (Post 89668)

I strongly disagree. Especially when it's about a simulation game.

So when your plane hits the ground, should it explode like in an action movie, or should it dislocate, or maybe bounce and go back in the sky ?

Is it really something that has to be submitted to the approval of customers ?

Originally Posted by Gilgenbach (Post 89659)

I am slightly emberassed now. It was never my intention to flame anyone. I will keep quiet for now and wait to see what Anton has to say.