Originally Posted by Winger (Post 471035)

Well, if it s really true that allies can fly up to above 9k height and germans are stuck at 7.4k the game is done for me. No matter how good the rest is. Gamebreaker..

Winger

EDIT: Hmm. cant find where i read that. Can anyone confirm any red plane being able to go as high als 9000+ meters?

Originally Posted by IvanK (Post 471106)

You can get a SpitIIA to 29,000ft but thats an absolute ceiling and requires careful flying to get it there .... you cant fight up there though. You are back to around 80MPH max power just hanging in.

Originally Posted by Winger (Post 471112)

well, even when seh´s able to fly decent at 8500 would be enough to totally pork the 109s. Hopefully this planes stays off the servers then.

Winger

Originally Posted by Robo. (Post 471145)

Why? Spitfire had slightly better ceiling in real life, too. ;)

Originally Posted by Friendly_flyer (Post 471263)

The altitude problem is tied to the global model rather than to the aircraft FMs per Luthier. I think fixing it will require a whole lot more than just fiddling a bit with the aircraft paramters.

Originally Posted by Friendly_flyer (Post 471263)

The altitude problem is tied to the global model rather than to the aircraft FMs per Luthier. I think fixing it will require a whole lot more than just fiddling a bit with the aircraft paramters.

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz (Post 471271)

Which word point to specific FM's and not a global model as a whole

Originally Posted by adonys (Post 471927)

well, I don't remember red pilots accepting their porked planes, or blue pilots mocking them by saying "you have to fight with what you have" back when the situation was viceversa..

too bad the blue pilots restrained their complains about their planes, and never got so vocal as the red faction, as they understood the red planes were actually more porked by theirs.

Originally Posted by adonys (Post 471927)

yet, you can damn bet we will fight with what we do have :)

Originally Posted by adonys (Post 471927)

but at least add altitude bomber flights (even have them a little bit lower, to not force poor reds struggle too much) and reds having to attack and destroy them while blues have to protect them. And this should be the way the victory is counted on BoB server: for blues in how many ground targets their bombers have destroyed, and how many of them went back alive, while for reds viceversa :) that would drag the reds from down the deck, and provide a much closer BoB experience for both parties.

Originally Posted by adonys (Post 470902)

you all forget the biggest porking a blue side pilot has to deal with: the extremely limited visibility of this game engine.

it's easy to say "just fly at 5k and do BnZs" but actually flying at 5k means you see nothing beyond 2k underneath you.. so, do BnZs on.. what?!! thin air, and just a thin hope there's something underneath you?

I'm constantly flying at 4-5k, but the game is simply empty in there. the reds won't climb up there, unless they are forced too. and that can only be done by having bomber flights and make them primary target for mission's success.

it's even worse for bombers, and especially for the stuka.

also, the second biggest porking comes from server's missions. air war is simple: bombers flew to blow targets, fighters were trying to prevent them doing that, while the bombers' escorts were trying to protect them. everything else comes from this.

as long as missions don't have massive blue bombers formations trying to blast red island's from the face of the earth, and code for organizing the escorts/attackers, we won't have historical combat encounters on these servers, but just an elevated form of the old airquake..