Well, as an avid retail purchase IL2 supporter from the start it took 5 years of "development" after the last iteration of IL2 for CLoD to finally see the light of day, that upon release, was so flawed it crashed and burned on takeoff.

More than another year has now passed with even the last official patch of two more than a year old and now the developers tell the community all effort has been directed at a sequel in tandem with acknowledging CLoD is "not what we wanted it to be" BUT that there will only be one last patch for it.

Bottom line, the community faithful have waited more than 6 years for an admittedly too flawed game to fix only to be told the developers have moved on to a sequel to hopefully get a return on what financial resources they have left to produce it.

At my age I may not be here after another 6 to 7 year wait for a no-doubt multi-patched sequel that ultimately will, maybe, hopefully, be everything CloD isn't......

Chivas, check this out:

"I apologize for not being able to come back and answer your questions, we are really at a crucial point in the patch that requires my full attention"

You know how long it took me to write that? 20 seconds. I don't care how busy you are, you can take 20 seconds out of your day to write something similar to at least give the illusion that your customers matter a tiny bit.

Very few things in life piss me off more than someone telling me they are going to be somewhere or do something, and then have them "flake" by not showing up or bothering to call and let you know. It's a major slap in the face.

LOL. Highly amusing to see these ludicrous comparisons, especially when they're so far off the mark. Jason is probably happy that they can work without being overly worried about money. 1C could buy out Jason's little bunch by covering them with money and still have enough to spare to coat walls, ceilings and floors of their offices. And the outside of the building. If Maddox Games doesn't cut it they'll either be closed or reassigned to some other project. 1C won't be bothered, they've got a very broad portfolio.

clod is a row of broken promises....thats it.
there was no progress in the last 1,5 years at all in my view,....only a few steps backwards.the game doesnt look as good anymore as it did on release, many features where just taken out of the game, and some were made more arcade when they were realistically implemented before...
the game doesnt run faster at all on my pc...its the same like on day one.
they have cut out start up procedures, realistic compasses, clouds and their shadows,kill markings.....
they destroy things that already worked....
they introduced major bugs with every patch.....LOD problem,sound bugs,low textures....they all have yet to be solved again..

i could understand low progress, because they are a small team and have limited resources...(8years and 8milliion $)
but if they are that limited in resources, why the heck dont they work with the community at all?
i cant comprehend how they dare to post banjo music instead of getting in touch with us and work with us...there are so many talented people here.
...others are not so talented(me) but those at least send bug reports and play the game and know exactly the flaws, bugs and other problems of the game and post them here to be ignored.

fact is, that all the people here on this forum, are/were fans of the il2 series, expecting the best, trying to help to reach that goal....

if the devs would listen to the community/ their customers,...the game would be far better by now.
but obviously they just dont see the need for this for some dubious reason...
they dont even read the bugtracker, which again was a community effort, praised by Luthier.
then there were/are the lies....you can call it what you want, and find excuses for it, but at the end of the day all the promises turned out to be lies.

so all we can do is trust in them again :grin: :grin: :grin:and hope that we dont get an il-2 girl this time, but maybe working weather instead Luthier???if i want a hot girl on my lap, then i shut down my pc grab my girlfriend. :grin:
i dont need a pimp Luthier, but a working 109...and you failed in delivering both(the spit girl looks like crap)

if there only were competition you would be probably out of business already.

so i wont trust in you anymore until you restore faith....so this time give us all the broken promises or at least a happy end:grin:

I echo you David, and I know you are hardcore. When your best customers have had enough then you have bigger problems - and this is all months or years away from 'the Sequel".

<Russian Bond accent>"Wait for big announcement at show"</Russian Bond accent>

When was that again? June?

Not at the moment because I've not actually flown online much lately. I'm dying a lot because I've forgotten what to do - it's different to COD. I suppose, as an RAF pilot on COD, that it is really easy because there is more historical accuracy in the aircraft FMs, so Luftwaffe does not dominate.

FW190, especially the D9 44.

Well, do we get news today? It seems to be friday again...?

When the game launched and people complained about the lack of available information for each aircraft Luthier said more detailed info would be released in the future but there has been no word on that since...

Regards Varrattu

Out of context
 

I never said it involved Jason buying out 1C who I know are a massive set up, I meant if perhaps he could acquire the IL2 franchise from Maddox games, I didn`t think it would be necessary to spell it out in full but I guess the finer points of the English language may not be obvious to the non English.

We suspect Jason either wouldn`t or couldn`t anyway, but if you want a fine example of how a dev involves himself with the community then Jason is a prime case, wow he even goes and answers questions on the forum, his team fixed a dog of a game and his set up continues to release 300+mb patches on a regular basis and thanks the purchasers for supporting his efforts.

So to put it in an easy to understand way, Maddox Games (if it`s still called that) could learn a lot from how the RoF team support and approach their community, if the reader is so blind that they deny thats fact then I`m obviously pissing in the wind.

I've read that far too often, I can no longer muster anything but sarcasm to that remark. Sorry.

I know everything is so easy, I can't understand why there would be a problem, but there obviously is a problem. Maybe its a problem they'd just as soon not talk about. I suppose they could lie, as they're constantly accused of that anyway. I'm quite sure there are reasonable explanations for their actions, as the conspiracy theories around here make no sense, nor is it a case of them just not liking us enough to call. ;)

Kendo said:

Excellent post. A pity more people don't have the balls.

You know one of the reasons I come here is that I feel envigorated due to the fact that it's easy to feel happy when I'm surrounded by misserable people wallowing in their self pitty.

It actually makes my life look really peachy keen and rosey!

The news and/or patch will either arive when it's ready or it won't. Need to deal with that guys! Keep up the good work Devs!

As a side note I've had to cut my goatee into a nasty looking mustache to go to a swinging 70's Party to night.

Catch you all on the filp side fella's!

:)

You must of missed the ROF turmoil when it was also released "unfinished" albeit not as "unfinished" as COD was. Jason bought into ROF after the game engine was finished and now has a very good idea what the game engine can accomplish, so he can answer questions and provide updates with confidence. At the moment Luthier doesn't have that luxury, the much more complex COD game engine still requires alot of work. Even if Jason was able to buy COD months ago, it would not have been possible for him to confidently say what the future would hold for the sim, nevermind meaningful updates. That said the future of COD and the new IL-2 series will be told soon enough, they are running out of time.

I was involved in the Beta of RoF Chivas
 

I do remember Chivas, none of us could believe it when they said the Beta was over and they were releasing it, it was a bomb site full of bugs. I think they`ll fix this game at some point, but they need a better public face which costs nothing.

Really? How do you know it's MUCH more complex than the ROF engine?

I have no problem with your post and relaxed approach, that's good for you :) But this....

...is just total balls mate.

I think it's because 777 have stated the limitations of their engine. They (apparently) have limitations with the top speeds and achievable heights of modelling in the atmosphere. A ROF flying mate told me, so don't shoot the messenger. It could be rubbish though, I'm interested to hear the truth though myself.

Also, RoF has a nasty fundamental flaw in how it models cross-winds effects. (in short, cross wind rolls the aircraft). Jason acknowledged it, and said there's nothing they can do to fix it, short of a whole rewrite.

Big flaw indeed for what is otherwise an excellent flight sim.

that's already been answered by Black6 in this thread

hopefully that means it will be this WE, but maybe it will be later

if you try and remember the last post luthier made, where he said he would answer some questions, he stated that they had reached an important milestone in development (presumably the new stable gfx engine which is largely bug free and performs well, as well as their progress of work in the BoM sequel) and were now submitting their next schedule for work/release-dates to the bean counters, and luthier indicated that if accepted he intended to put one last push into the big CoD patch with the main fixes (eg, even hm putting that time and effort into CoD is subject to their approval !)

with luthier being swamped with a deluge of questions ( AND a large amount of abuse, which would make him less cooperative rather then more),and him being subject to some restrictions on what he can say regarding further/future development, and him not yet knowing if his new subjected timelines are going to be accepted (which includes him asking for time to spend on the CoD patch) i am not surprised he didnt linger. hopefully luthier will soon have a better idea what amount of time he can spend on CoD fixes (and this will allow him to determine what he can include), and i suspect that with the recent development milestone being reached we might also get the "big announcement" soon (the one that was delayed a couple of months ago, and which many here expected were related to the MMO)

your mind, and many of the disgruntled "fans" here works in overdrive and is on a perpetual very short fuse, in contrast the progress and evolution of luthiers team has been almost in slow motion because of their small team and the almost overwhelming task they had in fixing/rewriting the game engine while simultaneously working on BoM in the last year (the first 6 months post CoD release were wasting in trying to fix it)

if that rate of progress is to slow for some peoples frayed nerves, then dont keep watching the paint dry, come back every 3 or 4 months to see what further progress has been made and if new patches are out. if you do have some interest in having as comprehensive and thorough a patch for CoD as possible, then join the technical discussions in threads that are trying to identify and quantify the existing bugs. just bitching at everything and making irrational "demands" doesnt serve any purpose and compounds the problems we already have

Isn't he talking about BoM, the game announced......


Oh.....

Shouldn't that be every 3 or 4 years??? :rolleyes:

@Zapatista

Wishful thinking on your part...at best.
The last 11 months, two weeks, demonstrates different.
No "dev" has ever had direct communication with this forum
and it's members. Between "bug threads" and questions? None.

BS, removed from the project and onto other things, don't count.

Your attempt to find "busy" work for the community to do?
Ain't appreciated. It won't be responded to, by the dev's.
They never have.

The "sell by date" has passed on this venture. They've admitted and demonstrated that fact.

I respect your person and intent.
I just don't agree with it.
S~

@All

I sincerely hope, that somebody somewhere can pull the rabbit out of the hat on this venture. As each day of silence passes? So does patience, understanding and future commitment. S~

@Zapatista

Wishful thinking on your part...at best.
The last 11 months, two weeks, demonstrates different.
No "dev" has ever had direct communication with this forum
and it's members. Between "bug threads" and questions? None.

BS, removed from the project and onto other things, don't count.

Your attempt to find "busy" work for the community to do?
Ain't appreciated. It won't be responded to, by the dev's.
They never have.

The "sell by date" has passed on this venture. They've admitted and demonstrated that fact.

I respect your person and intent.
I just don't agree with it.
S~

@All

I sincerely hope, that somebody somewhere can pull the rabbit out of the hat on this venture. As each day of silence passes? So does patience, understanding and future commitment. S~

Funny because all the aircrafts in cod can't reach theirs ceiling, to not talk about clouds and meteo.
On the other side the complexity is growing with the new water simulation that rof is implementing.
After more than a year of "development " in my personal point of view the complexity of the sim is not either a good excuse or the reality. Something badly programmed is cot complex, it is only bad job.

For some reason this whole customer relationship reminds me of this sketch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNRGC...ture=endscreen

Watch it all... every bit is relevant, especially the end

:grin:

So much for the 'theory' that 1C took the money and ran or that Luither does not care let alone post here anymore and that 1C customer relations are for not ;)

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=34617

Oh everything is just perfect now.. how silly of us all. You are right and 90% of the community where talking crap as usual. :-P

Lets see how things progress before you bath in your own self appointed smugness eh.

LOL! I almost feel sorry for Ace, he thinks that when luthier pops his head in once every 6 months for a patch announcement that equals "good customer relations". It's sad really.

LOL You hard core types are too funny..

To the rest of you reading this post.. Note how they have to twist the words around and flat out make things up to justify thier positions..

For example.. Where did anyone say things are perfect now? Another example, a simple search of Luithers post will show that he has posted here several times in the last six months.. Not to mention Luither has had BS pass along his posts for severl months now

Talk about feeling sorry for someone..

Someone who has to lie to keep the lies alive! ;)

C U next Tuesday mate.

so in the last 2 months we have had 2 more patches and several appearances by luthier indicating progress (as well as semi-regular appearances from black6 with bits of news, err yes some a bit cryptic i grant that, but indicating communication nevertheless) and that he will try and answer questions, and all you can do is still focus on the negative ?

right now things are looking pretty good :)

why not go and test the latest patch and try and come up with some positive and negative elements, might be a bit more productive me thinks (presuming you are here because you are interested in getting a good ww2 aircraft simulator)

It's just funny how the second a patch is released, you start puffing out your chest and shout "See...Vindication" without knowing what was really fixed or broken by the patch. You would figure after having put your foot in your mouth so many times you would wait and see how it works before starting your whitewash campaign.

That's exactly what I'm asking of Ace to do before he steps up to the podium and starts his patch praising spewage before he even knows how it works.

But not as funny as how you and yours have to make up stuff to make your points! ;)

Six months.. Toooo Funny

bollox, drivel and poppycock

so many here are stuck in moan and winge mode they are completely blinkered when something positive appears

new patch: good news ! (by any sane persons standard)

already bitching and moaning about it before you even tried it is just ludicrous

i am not specifically accusing you, but this whole attitude of constantly sprouting negative crap is just insane when some fresh further milestone of progress is provided (which you havnt even tried yet)

wake up and smell the roses for a change

Post by Luthier 04-13-2012, 06:18 AM

Next post 09-14-2012, 03:25 AM


Sorry 5 months.....I was way off with my estimate....that is good customer relations! LOL

This should be obvious to anyone. Take a closer look at the possibilities in the FMB, the complexity of the aircraft systems, just for a start.

Actually you missed one.. today

09-28
09-14

That is twice in 14 days.. in the last six month.. And before that, i.e.

09-14
04-13

That was five months not six (simple math)

But the part you are trying to ignore here and thus mislead the readers is that during that period of time, Luither hired BS to pass along his comments to the community!

But keep trying I am sure that some will fall for your slide of hand info! ;)

I will test it when I get home but in reading the patch notes I don't see anything about radio commands, AI, campaign fixes or anything else that helps us strictly offline players....you know, about 50% of the customers that bought COD. Unless these things were addressed and not put in the patch notes, I have no reason to be optimistic since the game ran pretty smooth on my system before.

Your right about B6, I forgot to mention the months of "I can't comment on that at this time" LOL. I'm not attempting to mislead anyone...everyone was here to see it and were frustrated. Why are you wasting time posting right now Ace? Shouldn't you be playing?

Forgot to mention.. LOL

Ok.. if you say so.. :rolleyes:

Not everyone.. But agreed, you and yours made up for those who were not!

It's called a job!

Google it! ;)

i already see several positives, they did further work on the allied FM errors (with specific reference t the data provided by sean), and mention netcode improvements

personally i am hoping they also addressed the reversed controls and some of the gauge errors

if you cant see that complaining before its even tested to see whats fixed is somewhat irrational and defeatist, there isnt really anything more to say to you :)

Actully I think they did! Luither talked about fixing the Spit Hurri throttle vs mixture thingie

They just don't understand their credibility goes out the window with most forum users, when they can't make a point without exaggerating, and repeating adnaesum every known or perceived fault. Aparently Luthier is working on our questions now and over the weekend, and may get back to us soon.
Quote....
"Another mirror up in a few minutes, sorry about that, didn't know it'll start asking for money after a few downloads.

I'll answer everyone's questions over the weekend, hopefully starting later tonight. "

Or they do realize it and just don't care anymore..

As in they are not really here to see CoD get fixed..

This forum debating is their new form of dog fighting and they will pull any trick in the book to win!

Cripes...I said offline fixes. I will be happy for the online airquake guys if their issues get resolved but COD will still be a coaster until the offline stuff is fixed for offline folks.

now if only 'some' of the offline types had an offline forum! ;)

It's a shame that members are perfectly happy that half of the customer base is ignored especially when Oleg openly stated that the majority of his sales comes from offline play. I thought you wanted COD to survive? If all the offline people that bought COD didn't buy the next sequel, COD will be dead in the water.

Tell me the one again about Luither only poking his head into this forum once every six months and how that is proof of 'poor customer relations'

All the while ignoring the fact that Luither hired BS to pass along his comments to the community..

And how that is not misleading the viewers of this forum just to keep your agenda alive..

Toooo Funny!

Knock it off you two.

Take your spats to PMs please, it's tedious.

Now that is comic when you consider the fact that you said the follwing to me..

Just two pages ago

The old saying 'kettle calling the coffee black' comes to mind