Ok, an answer to the low frame rates shown on screenshots
 

Was strolling through other threads and found this:

So, no need to fear since it was running in a slower state. Hope this will clear some of the clouds regarding this issue. Peace to all and sincere wish for a happy time until the patch comes out.
Kindest regards,
Eagle

I AM a game developer back from 2002. that means 10 years of doing it, mate. and optimization is NEVER the same with cutting-off features/effects in order to gain FPS.

I'm not looking for things to bitch at....if they show us screenies with less average fps and lesser quality textures...I guess that makes you happy? I guess we will see when the patch comes out. Probably would have been wise to leave the framerate counter off in this case if they knew people would see the lower numbers.

Afraid to say I am greatly underwhelmed, again

Lesser quality equals a nearly playable frame rate, pathetic really especially as lots of people spent hard earned money upgrading to what where (only a short time ago) top end PC's
as the old 'recommended' specs proved massively under stated and they/we still can't get a decent FPS unless we spend hundreds more £/$'s on yet more hardware.

And still no word on making the Channel Map (the centre peice of this game) usable in coop mode, another huge let down.

only for the whinge then to be "they're not showing the frame rate... what are they trying to hide?"

absolutely pathetic

Ok so wait a second here, I have to turn down my effects settings to enjoy better performance?! How is that an improvement? I can do that without a patch...

http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k4...-82176-580.jpg

You can please all of the people some of the time.
You can please some of the people all of the time.
There are some people on the banana forum you can never please. At all. Ever.

BlackSix has told us they have made some improvements. He tried to demonstrate that with a few screenshots we now know were made under very specific circumstances which are unlikely to apply to most of the 100+ different PC specs out there never mind the widly differing game setings. Perhaps he should just have stuck to the words to avoid all the speculative crossfire.

So why not wait until you have the patch on your PC and have tested it before getting out of your prams to complain about it. Don't worry, I'll be the first to complain if I don't like it. When I've seen it.

I'm sure the fps screen is an xp low spec machine.

thanks b6

True, its additional information, but, its information that indicates they are going in the exact opposite direction they previously claimed.

Lowering ones setting to gain fps is not rocket science, you can do that in this game already, and in every game known to mankind.

Being able to lower your settings with a smaller loss of graphic quality than previous patch is an improvement, somewhat, but not months of work worth.

One of the posts indicated that the rig doing these screens was a i7 (could be a 2600K to you and me) and Gtx 570 4 GB (taste that little jem) with 8x AA and it averaged 40 fps online. If this is true, its, well, bad for a lack of a better word.


All im saying is that i for one is extremely cautious until iv actually seen the improvements claimed.

HI all,
For me 4 pictures are not enough for demonstrate improvements and optimization.
Im not saying there no improvements, but if the improvements are huge and you are proud of your work why not show us a little video before\after in diferents situations, Over the city, trough the clouds, firing and hitting smoking planes, etc...
With a little video you make buyers happier and stop the speculations about the improvements.
sorry for my english, i do what i can

I don't need or ask for your sympathy. I'm just saying their choice saves me time so i like it. A lot.

+1 Its time they really got the ban hammer out, these guys are not going to stop and its ruining the community!

The only fault on this update is, that they have forgot to give us the systemspecs. of the test PC! Maybe that stopped the discusion before it starts!
I think it's a 2 core PC or worse with an older graphicscard! In this case the fps isn't such bad!
But let us wait and see....!

:rolleyes:

Thank you for the update.

I hope you and the team have a great weekend.

My complaint is your missing the smiley with the frothy beer mug!

In all fairness, the "other" side is doing the same thing by saying "woohoooo, thaaaaanks, wow, 50% higher fps" etc, for a patch they have not yet seen. They still dont even know when they get to see the patch and thats not because the lack of promises mind you (read overdue). The "track record" if you will, should speak against any and all superlatives until claims are thoroughly proven, but, and this astonishes even me, it doesn't. It astonishes me despite the fact that i count myself into the "others" (well, maby not so much lately due to the track record thingy i mentioned earlier) and even i, any more, don't get all giddy for essentially nothing. Dont get me wrong, maby they v done something ground breaking but those screens say absolutely nothing either way. So, imo, its all talk until proven otherwise, just like it should be for everybodyelse if you really think about it in a calm relaxed manner.

Different side of the same coin and im for one is sick of the coin itself and what brought it here in the first place. And no, im not talking about the forum and its members.

Hit the nail on the head.

Spot On

Agreed 100%

The only thing worse than whining is pre-whining

Bingo

+2

Good update, looking forward to give it a spin.
To the nay sayers. I would agree to all that whining if I had the feeling that Maddox Games is slacking. I do not. I have the feeling they do the best they can. And that is enough for me to have a positive attitude.

Whining never has improved anything. It is destructive. It gets everybody's mood down. And some people here do it on purpose with exactly that thought in their heads, to ruin it for everybody else. "If I can't have fun, nobody else shall!"

Thanks for the update! Are the cloud shadows back in the game or did I overlook them since the last official patch?? :D

Thxz B6

@ the rest

Keep the whining down please,
I just deleted 4 pages of absolute rubbish in this thread.

If it continues prepare to grab your passports.

Roll on Monday.

:cool:

When the official one should come out?

Hi

Are you dealing with the joystick delay and low aquirng rate which makes it delayed and moving at 5/10 fps ?
A very annoying one.

Never heard of this one....

It will also be a good thing if we see planes actually go down when we have riddled them with bullets...

If we get the Patch Monday...I will take Tuesday off to have some fun with it... I expect it to come with a readme this time...

You do realize that your about the only one complaining about the flight control stick not moving smoothly don't you.... haha. Its not that bad, and there are plenty of other "More pressing issues with the game atm" Don't give up hope though. ;)

This subject is very interesting to me and I spent a few hours yesterday experimenting with it. The very best that I was able to do was bring down a Rotol with 3 AP bullets, that hit from the six low position. I was working on to improve my hit average and to conserve my ammo, that instance was 47 or 48% .

Here is a one AP bullet kill :cool:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f394/SlipBall/12.jpg

Guess I overstated my thought...... Many do go down...Occasionally planes do catch fire, blow and lose a wing... It is the ones that seem invincible, take alot of punishment and keep flying while looking like swiss cheese...
Nice Job on your kill... A Golden BB

Fighters a bit more consistent in going down when damaged than are some of the bombers...

@ MegOhm

its like anything else in life, some rules and preparation must be followed and done. Placing yourself in the right position and above all, placing the shot. :-P

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...Ball/25hit.jpg

I take wings off bombers no problem with a short burst at the right spot.
With Standard loadout and convergence in a Spit IIa.
Most people try to shoot from dead astern and centre line.. That means your loading the fuselage and parts of the wings with hits but nothing structural that will bring it down.

20-30degree diving attack angle aiming for middle of wing at 250yards does it every time if you hit the right spot.

I have an awful feeling that we will be told the patch is not ready today, I hope I'm wrong but I just got that feeling. Anyways, lets see if my feelings were right 9 hours from now :)

The farce is strong in this one...

I wouldn't be too concerned if it didn't get released today, If something else comes up it's for the best not to release it.


Cheers!

If your taking off bombers wings every time with a short burst from a SpitIIa then something is very off with the DM Phat, that should be a very rare occurrence indeed.

Tbf he did say the right spot.

You can pour lead into a bomber and not hit anything important and then on the next run you end up flying through a fireball.

Bomber shld be harder to shot down. The fact that one wing fell of after being hit seems totally out of proportion with machine guns and 20mm canons.

You see fighter loosing their wings on gun-cam as munitions casing are hit by the bullet and explode (especially wing mounted canon shells). Bomber, especially British bomber) had flexible wing tank (sometime made out of leather and rubber like protective cover) and then don't explode when hit. They burst in to flames (orange ball of fire is OK) but with no destructive shock waves. However has the fire spread rapidly, the aluminium (or even faster with wings made out of wood) melts and there is rapidly a wing structural failure.

So IMOHO wing hit, ball of fire, fire spreading and then 1 min to ten mins latter wing ply.

Anyway, it's always sad to see that Wellingtons boxes are far easier to down than a single Blenheim :(.

i have no problems to down blenheims...in fact i find it far easier then to shoot down a wellington...

Krupi is spot on, here's an example from when I was testing a new mission on server 2. This is one sortie, so only 15 secs of ammo. The first and last 88s were hit badly, the middle ones were much better. This isn't standard loadout or convergence, but personally I find that default loadout is as effective. It's shooting at convergence that makes the real difference.

The vid is also a reminder of what the game used to look like in the last official version.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N96cd4UdBzU

Oh my god i just realised how terrible the fires look in this game after havent played it fof 2 months...
Went back to il21946... HSFX6.0...

Like the americans in ww2 this patch is late with a year. ;-)
Lost all interest. Will try it once though just to see if they actually managed to produce what they've promised us.

Lol, good shot sir, good shot sir, good shot sir, good shot sir. Ahhh shut up.

I think that was first old mission. I have fixed that multi congratulations lol

It was funny. and yeah I was saying "SHUT UP" Also.

Reminds me of old Bitching betting in Falcon 4 "Pull Up, "Pull Up" "Pull Up" "Pull Up"

Sorry mate, should've said that myself. I was only thinking of the shooting bit. :grin:

Wolf fixed this ages ago folks. :)

Here you go Furbs... This was a quick sortie I just did, it took a little longer than it normally takes but you get the picture. I can do this regularly on ATAG.


Shooting wing off JU88 Bomber IL2 COD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yktc0Z40oqk&

Oh My : Look at those high alt clouds we used to have ( ref Dutch's clip of official patch) = Bring them back Please ...

That's consistent with my experience as well. I either shoot wings and engines coming from slightly upwards/below, or aim for the cockpits. If i don't it takes a lot of rounds to down them. There's a lot of empty space inside a bomber and depending on the angle the bullets meet it, many can be simply going through it without hitting anything vital.

Do you really mean that considering there are many things that will still need fixing after the patch? I just hope there is some type of update today since Blacksix said they just wanted to keep it until today and that they were sorry it couldn't be pushed out last week and the week before that. I will take it the fixing hasn't gone well if we hear nothing from them today.

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Shall it be released today,Monday 30-07-2012 or 2012-07-30, it seems not!
:cool:

Maybe they needed to decorate there new office thats why things have been slow.:(

Is there anyone still waiting on this major announcement that was supposed to be forthcoming in June?

promises promises promises

No patch today. Another excuse was made that i cant even bother repeating.

If we are lucky MABY friday.


Edit:

Forget what i said.

The post i referred to was made by B6 this friday saying the same thing he said here.


Sry all.

This is a never ending story.

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In French there is a say that goes like this;
Tomorrow we shall shave for free but tomorrow never comes.

Dunno why/how anyone can continue to be surprised by the sheer barefaced BS that is spouted from the mouths of the devs anymore...

Just sit back, relax and wait....

Not like we have a choice :)

Are you serious? And people wonder why people get really peeved off and moan about it. What did they say about not releasing it today?

Im just repeating whats being said here:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=32600


But hey, maby we are all wrong....this time. Im not holding my breath though, lol.

nothing....someone posted an old B6 post from several weeks ago:rolleyes:

And some one posted a link to the russian forum showing the post made by B6, today.


Like i said, maby we are all wrong.....this time.


Usually i dont spread rumours but in the back of my head im thinking, if i think the opposite of what i/we want to happen, maby it will come true. :)

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Hope we live on hope.

Hey Baron, thanks for at least letting us know where you got your misinformation. I looked all over the place for any official info. Your last post cleared it all up.

-1

Forget what i said.

The post i referred to was made by B6 this friday saying the same thing he said here.


Sry all.


Next time ill check google translate faster myselfe. Lesson learned. :)


Even though im afraid of being quartered i still have to say its getting late patch wise in any case.

Well that clears that up Baron. I am still hopeful because I cannot see how they won't update use when they were sorry about not pushing it out for the last 2 weeks.

Oooo those Russians ~ They mess with your mind. :-D

So no autogen fix/8764432.09 patch Today??? :\

They didn't say which Monday, did they?

Or which year...

You might think that after telling us that the patch WOULD be released today, unless there were any major problems, they would at least give us some kind of update, maybe even an apology for lying...... again!!

We lose patience with this game.
And then for the fans stop not to thank them any more it belongs to them to thank us for having bought cliff....

Everyone calm down...Warthunder will be released soon, way sooner than any satisfactory patch from 1C.

All will be well.

Gents...

I see many people huddled around a computer screen, in a dimly lit office...
They are watching many lines of text rising from bottom to top...
One person jumps up and shout's, it is time...
They are now celebrating something with vodka.

I believe the patch is now ready, and will have fixed all the major problems.

I believe we are in store for a big surprise! :shock:

Hahahaha A joke.
Very nice, thanks. :cool:

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

:grin::grin::grin::grin::grin::grin:

more realistic scenario :-)

Easy now boys, it's only 11pm in Moscow. They might work over-time to get it done. Surely, since they even work weekends sometimes.

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Next time I buy a Chinesse game they win more medals in the games.

So with time running out for an update are we going to be back to not knowing what is going on? I mean, are we to guess that there is another last minute bug that will be announced on Friday, or will it all go quite again for a few weeks like last time and fuel speculation that the game cannot be fixed? I really thought B6 would have given some update regardless so we could at-least know whats happened.

Nah, they'll now wait till Friday to show us some more piccies of their "upcoming sequel" which of course we shall all rush out to pre-order due to the amazing levels of customer service and support we have had with our original purchase;)

As for the carrot...I mean patch, i'm sure it'll be along shortly :)

Opps need a patch today.

Guess they have all gone to bed by now....

I Could have been appeased with a README!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No patch update yet!
Ah well best get up on ATAG and defend the Realm against the Teutonic Hoardes!

LOL.

Luthier and team should have learned by now not to make any predictions for timing of future patch releases or nature of performance increases. They are immediately construed as deadlines and promises by too many people.

Better to say 'we're working hard on X/Y/Z,' and then just make an announcement when they are ready.

Underpromise, overdeliver.

Maybe this might help:here's a screenshot of today's patch:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...one_patch2.jpg
"Don't worry- be Happy!"

Over deliver? LOL

44 minutes left and then its Tuesday in Russia.

Yes, but they can still make it. Go go Team Luthier!

Hey Simast... How does CLOD run on that SSD?

I am looking at the Intel Cherryville 520 240GB SSD

I am not Simast obviously but I have the O/S on one SSD and games on another and it great!

Please read previous pages more carefully :) This helps to avoid frustration a lot :)

It seems both B6 and Luthier are out of the office today according to "News from sukhoi" thread. Thus further delays are logical. 2 weeks, be sure.

IMHo it is a pity though that B6 does not ask luthier or the devs for more detailed information before posting. One of the devs posted info about Monday testing on sukhoi.ru after B6 update.

I have an old Kingston SSD, which apparently has a bit flawed controller. And the thing keeps "locking" from time to time for a couple of seconds (garbage collecting something). Anyway, I think the issue is only with SSDs with early controllers..

As for performance - I haven't noticed any improvements beside faster loading (compared to 7200 HDD).

Patch is updating in steam now can't wait

u sure?

wheres that babyface picture???

People are excited:grin:

That was a Steam update, not a game update/patch

Someone posted this in another forum,

"Never seen any company work so hard and with such eagerness to get rid of all possible customers before, quite amusing actually. "

I think it is quite amusing as well !