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bongodriver

07-10-2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PotNoodles (Post 443227)

I think he said they have only released a beta patch in about a year and he's right about that. Can you make a list of all the other support we have had where we have seen results? After all talk is cheap.

appart from the first few patches before the re-write of the graphics engine thats true, the patch we have now is a beta of the new graphics engine, so not only were we getting patches but they actually decided to do a drastic re-write of the code to try and fix things for us......yep abismal support.....

PotNoodles

07-10-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 443231)

That's your opinion Bongo, but many of us feel the rewrite was only done for the sake of the next game. Do you really believe they would have done this rewrite if there wasn't a new game on the cards? COD is still in a bad state and we have actually paid to be beta testers for this and the next game lol. This should have been put out free if they wanted us to beta test it.

bongodriver

07-10-2012 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PotNoodles (Post 443234)

That's your oppinion Noodles.

Force10

07-10-2012 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 443232)

Not so much agree though is it, I just asked a question based on your statement, you whiners are slippery little blighters with all that word twisting and stuff.

Ok. Let me simplify it. Forget about features(IE: Dynamic weather, Su 26 etc.)

Being an offline player, these are examples of things that are keeping me from playing the game:

Radio commands
AI
Trees you can fly through (total immersion killer if you can land a damaged plane in a forest)

Lots more...but no need to rehash everything mentioned in the past.

The question is, will I have these things fixed in a patch without having to purchase BOM?

David Hayward

07-10-2012 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PotNoodles (Post 443234)

but many of us feel the rewrite was only done for the sake of the next game.

Of course it was done for the sake of the next game. The part that makes no sense at all is why you seem to think that is bad.

bongodriver

07-10-2012 06:25 PM

Quote:

Being an offline player, these are examples of things that are keeping me from playing the game:

Radio commands

Maybe they will get some attention, I'm offline mainly too but to be honest never use radio, i find it an immersion killer having to press a button and scroll through a list of commands.

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turns out it wasn't so porked though, in the FMB provided it turns out the AI can be tweaked to behave quite well and there has been an improvement there in the last patch too.

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Trees you can fly through (total immersion killer if you can land a damaged plane in a forest)

in the mean time can't you just land in the bits without trees just like you would if the trees 'were' collideable?

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Lots more...but no need to rehash everything mentioned in the past.

sadly this never seems to apply to the endless whineing

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The question is, will I have these things fixed in a patch without having to purchase BOM?

if you're genuinely asking me then I'd say yes.

ACE-OF-ACES

07-10-2012 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PotNoodles (Post 443227)

Can you make a list of all the other support we have had where we have seen results?

No need to make a list in that it allready exists, i.e.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=26532

And from that list we have recived support in the form of 14 patches, i.e.

[PCH] (2012.05.05) v1.06.17582 BETA PATCH - May 05, 2012
[PCH] (2011.10.17) v1.05.15950 Release is now live! What to expect next
[PCH] (2011.10.06) v1.04.15866 core fix
[PCH] (2011.10.05) v1.04.15866 Beta
[PCH] (2011.09.06) v1.03.15527 Beta
[PCH] (2011.06.24) v1.02.14821 Release
[PCH] (2011.06.21) v1.01.14762 Beta
[PCH] (2011.05.18.) v1.01.14550 Retail
[PCH] (2011.05.04) v1.01.14413 Beta
[PCH] (2011.04.27) v1.00.14305 Beta
[PCH] (2011.04.15) v1.00.14072 Beta
[PCH] (2011.04.08.) v1.00.13954 Release
[PCH] (2011.04.07) v1.00.13915 Beta

Quote:

Originally Posted by PotNoodles (Post 443227)

After all talk is cheap.

Agreed

Which is why I allways make sure I can back up my claims (see above)

Now.. Let me guess.. You and yours are going to claim that 14 patches over a years time is NOT considered SUPPORT

robtek

07-10-2012 06:50 PM

What is this new game everybody is agog about here????

All information i could find points to a addon/update of CoD!

PotNoodles

07-10-2012 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 443253)

So three patches released and the rest are beta's leading up to the patch releases. You call that excellent support? Because I don't when you consider most beta games are free to play until they correct the faults.

furbs

07-10-2012 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by David Hayward (Post 443252)

You'll know if they fixed all the significant problems. Of course, if you really think that no dynamic weather is a significant problem, you're going to be complaining no matter what they do.

If they have fixed the problems before release, of course i will buy it.
If they haven't then i will wait for the reviews first.

That's what i said in my first post.

bongodriver

07-10-2012 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PotNoodles (Post 443263)

should they be releasing patches daily? and a beta patch does not make a game beta, even worst case the game is still an RC but not a beta.

ACE-OF-ACES

07-10-2012 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PotNoodles (Post 443263)

So three patches released and the rest are beta's leading up to the patch releases.

Correct.. 14+ patches in the last year

Quote:

Originally Posted by PotNoodles (Post 443263)

You call that excellent support?

Excellent.. Maybe?

One thing for sure is that 14+ patches in a year does NOT qualify as NO SUPPORT which is what you and yours would have us belive

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Originally Posted by PotNoodles (Post 443263)

Because I don't when you consider most beta games are free to play until they correct the faults.

Shocking..

You and yours DONT consider 14+ patches in the last year as support..

Who would have ever guessed that?

PotNoodles

07-10-2012 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 443268)

should they be releasing patches daily? and a beta patch does not make a game beta, even worst case the game is still an RC but not a beta.

No not daily, but I do wish they could release a patch that doesn't screw something else up everytime. I am getting where I am thinking what will go wrong this time when they release this patch. They then have to spend more time fixing the things they have broken and beta testing them, all this resulting in time and more time.

Btw - If it has a beta patch applied to it it's a beta in my eyes. An official patch is what makes it no longer a beta. At present it's back in beta stage because it's found to have faults still.

CaptainDoggles

07-10-2012 07:28 PM

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Correct.. 14+ patches in the last year

No, the beta patches aren't separate patches. They're just early versions of the actual patches.

Stop being disingenuous.

Mysticpuma

07-10-2012 07:49 PM

Originally I posted on page 1......that is still the question ;)

Currently I see a lot of in-fighting but this makes me wonder whether the lack of information really has made the community turn on itself?

Even a monthly update like the one I linked to a RoF would surely give users a chance to understand what to expect and what to look forward to?

Currently it seems that in-fighting occurs because no-one is sure just what is happening or going to happen, other than speculation?

If the speculation was changed to actual facts by the 1C team...maybe the clarity of position and direction would help those on either side of the fence to at-least sit on it together?

MP

furbs

07-10-2012 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by David Hayward (Post 443295)

They have no choice. They can't sell BoM until CoD is fixed. That seems pretty obvious.

Yep again, which is also why i expect they will say "BOM fixes COD"

So to recap...

I dont expect COD to be fixed until BOM is released, if it is then i will buy BOM, if it isn't, then i will wait for a review first.

Which is what ive been saying all along.

Force10

07-10-2012 08:33 PM

14 patches that haven't really fixed much. It's the "tree falls in the forest" deal. If 14 patches are released, but they don't really fix the glaring problems, is that considered excellent support?

Fearless_1

07-10-2012 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 443269)

Correct.. 14+ patches in the last year

Excellent.. Maybe?

One thing for sure is that 14+ patches in a year does NOT qualify as NO SUPPORT which is what you and yours would have us belive

Shocking..

You and yours DONT consider 14+ patches in the last year as support..

Who would have ever guessed that?

I think I understand now. You just started simming and have no precedent to what a well written, well supported game is. I sure hope 1C has given you knee pads for all the "support" you keep giving them.

3 patches..... animations on control surfaces are fowled up, when AI commands were found to have problems they were deleted not fixed, the graphics rewrite was not to tweak existing settings to make them completely optimized, the rewrite was to make this game anything except BARELY PLAYABLE!

Look, here's all I hear when I come to this board:

TWO WEEKS!

These guys have more in common with Fighter Ops then they do with Il-2!

This game should have been released before it was rewritten, or at least finished before retail.

I've been flying around 1940's Europe since 1994 and I have never seen standards sink to the level it has been for the last 5 years. I know the genera is small, but this behavior makes neither economic, nor gaming sense!

David Hayward

07-10-2012 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by furbs (Post 443300)

Yep again, which is also why i expect they will say "BOM fixes COD"

Why? They makes absolutely no sense. They need us to have a working CoD BEFORE they can sell BoM. How is that not obvious to you?

bongodriver

07-10-2012 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 443303)

Did I say no real work went into them? Did I say that they were the same patches?

Please quote where I did. Otherwise, stop misrepresenting what I say.

right here...

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 443272)

No, the beta patches aren't separate patches. They're just early versions of the actual patches.

Stop being disingenuous.

if they aren't separate patches but just early versions of the actual patches then you are saying they are the same patches...you know like they made a beta and a couple of weeks later gave it a new version number and called it a release.
I'm not misrepresenting anything, you are desparately trying to tell us the devs have done 'nothing' in the way of trying to fix this yet here we are reminding you that on 14 separate occasions a different patch be it a beta or release that had to be coded each time.

furbs

07-10-2012 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Hayward (Post 443313)

Why? They makes absolutely no sense. They need us to have a working CoD BEFORE they can sell BoM. How is that not obvious to you?

I agree its obvious, but will it happen? they released COD didn't they?
We will see wont we.

Codex

07-10-2012 09:53 PM

For clarification purposes ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softwar...ase_life_cycle

Frequent_Flyer

07-10-2012 11:33 PM

The most profound thing anyone can accomplish is to change the way another indivual thinks. For most here, I beleive that would be with results. I Could care less if the developers are working on it, hell they have been working on it for 16 months. What would your assumption be based upon and when was it demonstrated to you that this sim will be " fixed" ?

catito14

07-11-2012 03:47 AM

Well, there is an exclusive thread with questions for Luthier, i think his answers will clarifies the things. I hope they have time for it ... considering that Oleg answered in a thread more than 120 questions in his times, i think they can with a couple ...

JG52Uther

07-11-2012 05:01 PM

Thread cleaned up. If your post is gone, sorry about that, but it was either argumentative, insulting, condescending, replying to a post quoting same, O/T to the original post, etc.
A couple of you are on a slippery slope.
Please don't ruin this thread with your personal arguments.

von Brühl

07-11-2012 07:04 PM

To be honest, who cares if they communicate with us if they would have delivered a good game, with no bugs? You think the fans of Angry Birds care how much Roxio communicates with them? That's a relatively problem free release.

Mysticpuma

07-11-2012 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther (Post 443614)

Appreciate the clean-up. It seemed that my initial post, although starting off with constructive and objective replies , steadily went the way of most.

I appreciate the unlocking of the thread and allowing those with a point about my original post, a chance to have there say.

Please, if you have something to say about this post....post it here, if you wish to converse about he said/she said....please make your own thread.

Thanks Uther, cheers, MP

David Hayward

07-11-2012 07:43 PM

More communication from the dev team seems pointless to me right now. I want them working on the game. I don't need them holding my hand while I wait.

Madfish

07-11-2012 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mysticpuma (Post 442534)

I have read many threads and although there are varying points of view, it seems that the main frustration is that veterans and new players alike just feel like they are not being listened to?

Many threads ask "Dear Luthier/Black6/1C, can you fix this? Why doesn't this work? I have found a bug? Online gaming? Multiplayer netcode? Why wont you answer this question? Why is the patch not here? Why have you not added this/that/the other?".....etc,etc.

Now as far as I am aware the complete opposite is evident from the RoF forums/community because they appear to have a group of developer's that interact with there community. Jason has been and is mentioned many times as someone the RoF community feel is taking onboard their suggestions and comments. It doesn't matter (well it does but go with me here) that things aren't fixed instantly, it does matter though that opinions, thoughts and suggestions appear to be given due consideration and there is feedback and appreciation of the customer enthusiasm and input.

I honestly believe that there would be considerably less irritation and hostility if the customers felt as though what they were saying was having an effect on the direction of bug-fixes and development.

I think in the real world (I know it's been over a year!) we can appreciate that software is never going to be released perfect. We also can appreciate that (from posts on here) that the release was 'forced' and this has ultimately have caused the community of CloD players to be dealt a rough hand.

I also think that most of us who have lived and breathed the original IL2 can see that CloD was 'born' prematurely as the pedigree that it comes from is second to none in the Flight Sim community (WW2 Combat of-course). For this reason I think so-many have been disappointed (I appreciate not all) as it was seen as the next step up in Graphics and realism for the WW2 Combat community. As it currently stands for many players (I appreciate again not all) the actual playability is really hard to accept as it takes so-many users 'fixes', tweaks, work-arounds to try and get a stable game that ultimately frustration sets in.

This is the point when they reach out to the people who made and sold the software to help them, to fix the broken parts, to make it as good as the original....to make it fun again!

This is also the point where it appears that the lack of feedback appears to be a two-finger salute at those who dare to poke their heads above the trenches and stare into the face of the developer's and ask a question about what went wrong.

Personally, I honestly do appreciate that a man/woman can't sit at a PC all-day answering inane questions that really don't make a difference to the development. I also appreciate that they can't sit there all-day and answer incredibly relevant questions to the development. I do though feel, like others, that the lack of communication feeds the animosity and anger because it is this that leads those who invested money to feel that the Developer's don't really care what problems there are....it's tough on us, what did we really hope to expect?

These are the reasons that the Friday updates (actually ANY updates) are trawled over in fine detail as we users hope to find a nugget of Gold amongst news of the sequel. The 'nugget of Gold' is the news that something will be fixed and that something is a direct result of customer input. The input and feedback of those who care about this software, it's sales, it's development, it's future!

The reason we are here is we have an interest, a passion, a hobby and that is why is galls us so much when suggestions to improve the experience we get from the software are just ignored.

Take bug-tracker for instance.

It would be great to hear feedback from the developers that they are working on/looking at the top-ten issues listed in bug-tracker. These are the TOP TEN issues for users and the top ten that surely the Developer's should consider first? These are the issues that users....the lifeblood of the Sim are crying out for to be fixed. If they weren't in the top 10 most popular issues, then there would be less importance on addressing them?

But those are the issues that lead the priority of the users in the community and these are the ones that really do require someone who is actually working in the development of the CloD software (not the sequel) to take time to come to the community and let us know what is actually being done and a 'realistic' timescale of when it could be fixed?

It really is disingenuous for a weekly update to say "we have nearly fixed this, we hope to release it soon" when they are actually dealing with the issues.

Could we not have something like this weekly or even every two-weeks?:

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/

Trust me when I say that this is not a RoF thread, this is a thread I hope can stir a little passion in the Development team to understand that I (I hope we) realise it's difficult, realise there has been issues but that we are hear and waiting to support you as you battle through them.

Sitting in a room somewhere and saying if we don't answer any questions the baying crowd will eventually go away...well in a way, is probably true. But those who do go away most likely wont come back when you really do have something to say!

Please 1C, consider having worthwhile updates that tell us how development is going. I/(we?) really want to support you but throwing breadcumbs of information out at such sporadic intervals ultimately gives the impression that you really aren't interested in the community who support and follow you, and seriously that's' really not going to endear you to any of the older or newer customer's for CloD.

This took me 15-minutes to write....if you take into consideration how much I typed, just 50% of that as information of what you are doing once-per-week, would be a true inspiration to those who are steadily giving up hope of ever seeing CloD rise to the great heights the 1946 did.....but we still hang on in hope!

I hope I have written this as neither a fanboy or a whiner......just as an honest opinion that if we had more communication, it really would go a long way to make us believe we aren't being ignored and hung out to dry?

Cheers, MP

Wow nice textwall. It appears you are a guy who loves to type and read stuff on forums... :rolleyes: Personally I rather play the game. Writing text walls isn't going to fix ANYthing. And not everyone reads the forums anyways.

A bit of communication is fine - but what most people are expecting is just silly. It won't affect the game, it won't affect the bad advertising and crappy reviews - all it does is waste time.

If the developers need the fans to tell them how to make a game then it's dead anyways. Rthe weekly or bi-weekly news and let them develop.

Mysticpuma

07-11-2012 08:12 PM

"Wow nice textwall. It appears you are a guy who loves to type and read stuff on forums... Personally I rather play the game."

Dangle the worm, I'm not biting. Thanks Uther for unlocking the thread. It appears some people can't help themselves! :rolleyes:

"More communication from the dev team seems pointless to me right now. I want them working on the game. I don't need them holding my hand while I wait."

Thanks David, a fair point. Cheers, MP

David Hayward

07-11-2012 08:16 PM

MOD EDIT: I was generous before, and just cleaned the thread.I spent a long time doing it. That was before though.

If you can't take a hint to stay on topic and not just post to try and bait an argument then I will have to be a bit more active. Have an adult discussion or go elsewhere.
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kristorf

07-11-2012 08:18 PM

It's going already.........

theOden

07-11-2012 08:22 PM

Kristorf, maybe you should update your ignore list :)

kristorf

07-11-2012 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theOden (Post 443686)

Kristorf, maybe you should update your ignore list :)

Gonna be one hell of a long list and some very short threads though innit??? :rolleyes:

theOden

07-11-2012 08:25 PM

hahaha very true but it all become so much more pleasant.

Madfish

07-11-2012 08:33 PM

Wow nice textwall. It appears you are a guy who loves to type and read stuff on forums... Personally I rather play the game. Writing text walls isn't going to fix ANYthing. And not everyone reads the forums anyways.

A bit of communication is fine - but what most people are expecting is just silly. It won't affect the game, it won't affect the bad advertising and crappy reviews - all it does is waste time.

If the developers need the fans to tell them how to make a game then it's dead anyways. Read the weekly or bi-weekly news and let them develop.

Not everyone thinks a game is about forum messages, blog posts or facebook newsfeed updates. Their weekly and bi-weekly updates are fine to me at least.

They don't need, shouldn't and probably don't even want to read through all that "valuable" content on the forums. It's unstructured, unprofessional and in most cases highly redundant and plain useless. It's not beneficial to the development process at all.

And now you should ask yourself what's more important. Textwalls and forum chitty chat or the devs actually just concentrating on development? They're not some mega corporation that can afford useless PR guys.
They aren't charging for scarfs, planes or windshield wipers. They probably just spend the money the get to feed themselves and struggeling to keep the company afloat.

But "It appears some people can't help themselves!" and keep trolling the developers with textwalls instead of realizing that this isn't what makes or breaks the game.

The only point I'd see as beneficial is if they'd follow the bugtracker some people set up. But who knows, maybe they already are and just don't take the time to post there... :)

TonyD

07-11-2012 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Madfish (Post 443698)

...The only point I'd see as beneficial is if they'd follow the bugtracker some people set up. But who knows, maybe they already are and just don't take the time to post there... :)

I think that they are judging by some of the included fixes in the latest patch. The ‘blue lines’ issue peculiar to my GPU was listed in the bug-tracker, it was improved in the previous beta, and solved in the latest one.

One of the major difficulties with B6’s ‘job’ is in my opinion the language barrier. I occasionally read the sukhoi.ru forums with the aid of Google Translate and it’s not easy to understand what some are saying due to slang/misspelling/colloquialisms. How often do we see two native English speakers get embroiled in an argument due to an unintentional implication in a response? Having to correspond with forum users using a translation service must be a nightmare when everything you state will be disseminated and perhaps misinterpreted. I am not surprised that he doesn’t post here very often.

And as for luthier, I assume that he's too busy with the next patch :)

BH_woodstock

07-13-2012 02:34 PM

lack of communication...been saying this for almost a year now.
you guys say its just another un needed program running but i will tell you that you are wrong.This is what hyperlobby gave us...COMMUNICATION.

we were able to talk in live time and exchange ideas and test.even Oleg himself used it.I think its time the devs use it too... OR make something simular available in CloD client game server room. IT iS NEEDED for THIS sim in particular.This community and flight sim NEED live chat.We would be so much farther than this right now in this sim if we had it.Im not noking down forums it is needed as well but slow and things really get lost in translation. were as a community that was able to communicate on the fly things got done a lot quicker and better quality.

Devs. you guys should have a server set up to get direct feedback from the community instead of doing it all on your own on these super pc's. that you are running CloD in.And actually fly with us to get direct information.
Oleg did it many many times and we were homored to fly with him.He got so much respect that way because he showed us that he was working on things and asked us questions and it GOT done.

the better we can ALL communicate the faster we can proceed in getting Dover what it was ment to be.

im not saying we HAVE to use Hyperlobby.Im just saying it helped and was a big reason why il2 is was it is.

BH_woodstock

07-13-2012 03:23 PM

Devs. you guys should have a server set up to get direct feedback from the community instead of doing it all on your own on these super pc's. that you are running CloD in.And actually fly with us to get direct information.
Oleg did it many many times and we were honored to fly with him.He got so much respect that way because he showed us that he was working on things and asked us questions and it GOT done.

the better we can ALL communicate the faster we can proceed in getting Dover what it was ment to be.

i feel this is very important so i am saying it twice.

Mysticpuma

07-13-2012 07:47 PM

I think as it stands today (we all had hoped for a Friday update), we have a perfect example of lack of communication leading to frustration.

A few words about the development, what is happening.....just anything I am sure would help to stop the next few-days of repetitive goading of the fan-boys and detractors. Well it may not stop it, but at-least it wouldn't do any harm?

It really is disappointing that it appears no thought or interest is given to the community that really wants this to succeed?

MP

SiThSpAwN

07-13-2012 07:50 PM

We got an update from B6 today...

rpgielow

07-13-2012 08:01 PM

The reality is They know that We will be here waiting for the fixes as long as it takes because We love IL2 and there are no options about WW2 real simulators.

About Friday's update, You are right !!! A few screenshots and some lines of text would be fine.

Codex

07-13-2012 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN (Post 444473)

We got an update from B6 today...

where?

Edit: Don't worry I found it :rolleyes:

jermin

07-13-2012 10:46 PM

The answer should be very simple. They don't have the ability to fix this game. If a game can not be fixed 1 year after its release, it will never get fixed. Oleg once stated that he didn't think the COD was not a sinking ship. I totally agreed with him. It was not sinking. It was already sunk.

robtek

07-13-2012 11:05 PM

Oh ye of little faith!

Codex

07-13-2012 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robtek (Post 444553)

Oh ye of little faith!

It's not about faith rob, it about the $$$$

We live in a world where loyalty has no meaning anymore.

ACE-OF-ACES

07-14-2012 12:35 AM

I would gladly buy each copy of CoD back from each un-satisfied member of this forum..

If there as a way to guarantee that they could no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

zxwings

07-14-2012 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 444575)

I would gladly buy each copy of CoD back from each un-satisfied member of this forum..

If there as a way to guarantee that they could no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

I like what you said. :mrgreen:

Codex

07-14-2012 12:47 AM

Can't guarantee that ACE but I'm sure I've got some rose-coloured glasses lying around ;)

PotNoodles

07-14-2012 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 444575)

I would gladly buy each copy of CoD back from each un-satisfied member of this forum..

If there as a way to guarantee that they could no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

Buy mine full price and i'll stay away.

fox3	07-14-2012 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 444575)

I would gladly buy each copy of CoD back from each un-satisfied member of this forum..

If there as a way to guarantee that they could no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

Buy mine full price and i'll stay away.

Icarus1

07-14-2012 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 444575)

I would gladly buy each copy of CoD back from each un-satisfied member of this forum..

If there as a way to guarantee that they could no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

Put your money where your mouth is! Big talker no action as usual.

CaptainDoggles

07-14-2012 01:28 AM

Buy mine full price and I'll stay away too.

catito14

07-14-2012 03:03 AM

I don´t want to be paranoid, and i really want to believe in the game. But, there are a couple of things that make me noise ... i.e.: the sukhoi.ru web is down from several days ago, they "move" right now without a word about the process of the game or even the readme (2 weeks after the patch released), B6 has completely filled his PM box (i think this is because he received a LOT of PM which he did not read and much less answered), B6 said that Luthier have a lot of work AND PROBLEMS ....
I don´t know what these things mean, but i have a bad feeling about this.

Regards.

p.s.: All this paranoia and ghost will dissapear if B6 or Luthier himself come here and give us an statement about how the things are going on.

Kaiser

07-14-2012 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catito14 (Post 444598)

B6 said that Luthier have a lot of work AND PROBLEMS ....

on "Sukhoi" there is information that the main resources are provided to BoM....

sorak

07-14-2012 10:05 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDG-S...eature=related

ACE-OF-ACES

07-14-2012 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PotNoodles (Post 444579)

Buy mine full price and i'll stay away.

Will do!

As soon as you come up with a way to guarantee that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

ACE-OF-ACES

07-14-2012 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fox3 (Post 444588)

Buy mine full price and i'll stay away.

Will do!

As soon as you come up with a way to guarantee that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

ACE-OF-ACES

07-14-2012 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 444590)

Buy mine full price and I'll stay away too.

Will do!

As soon as you come up with a way to guarantee that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

ACE-OF-ACES

07-14-2012 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus1 (Post 444589)

Put your money where your mouth is!

Will do!

As soon as you come up with a way to guarantee that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

furbs

07-14-2012 06:33 PM

Il buy both if ACE stays away!

Joking.

I dont want anyone to leave(even A**), even if some get on my bits.
Why would you want someone to leave and never post again, even if you disagree with them?

andrea78

07-14-2012 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jermin (Post 444541)

The answer should be very simple. They don't have the ability to fix this game. If a game can not be fixed 1 year after its release, it will never get fixed.

bongodriver

07-14-2012 07:11 PM

How long 'should' a game take to fix?

kendo65

07-14-2012 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 444901)

Will do!

As soon as you come up with a way to guarantee that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

How about pay them half the money now, and then the other half in a year (or maybe 2 years) if they stick to their side of the deal?

Icarus1

07-14-2012 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 444904)

Will do!

As soon as you come up with a way to guarantee that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

I'll take a lifetime ban from the moderator when your cheque arrives. I know you are not good on your word and are all talk so its pointless.

Icarus1

07-14-2012 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 444930)

How long 'should' a game take to fix?

Not as long as this game. Thats for sure.

bongodriver

07-14-2012 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus1 (Post 445006)

Not as long as this game. Thats for sure.

Roughly...how long?

Icarus1

07-14-2012 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 445007)

Roughly...how long?

This should have been fixed by now. Roughly speaking.

bongodriver

07-14-2012 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus1 (Post 445010)

This should have been fixed by now. Roughly speaking.

So roughly 14 months?

Icarus1

07-14-2012 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 445015)

So roughly 14 months?

This should have been fixed by now yes.

bongodriver

07-14-2012 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus1 (Post 445020)

This should have been fixed by now yes.

Roughly...give or take a month?

Icarus1

07-14-2012 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 445022)

Roughly...give or take a month?

Yes if its fixed in a month great. But good luck with that.

bongodriver

07-14-2012 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus1 (Post 445025)

Yes if its fixed in a month great. But good luck with that.

But is it 'good luck with that'? I sense just another month of relentless dev bashing.

ACE-OF-ACES

07-14-2012 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kendo65 (Post 444939)

How about pay them half the money now, and then the other half in a year (or maybe 2 years) if they stick to their side of the deal?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus1 (Post 445003)

I'll take a lifetime ban from the moderator when your cheque arrives.

That statement does not hold much water in light of the fact that the lifetime ban for multi handle poll voting didn't work

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus1 (Post 445003)

I know you are not good on your word and are all talk so its pointless.

That statement does not hold much water either in that you provided no proof of me being bad on my word, that is to say you because you say it does not make it ture! Thus the only people that would fall for that lie are the ones that want to belive it without any proof of it.

But I digress

My offer still stands.. As soon as you come up with a way to guarantee that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD! S!

Icarus1

07-14-2012 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 445036)

No thanks, because I am pretty sure they would not abide by it, and thus I would be out HALF, but if you do come up with a way to guarantee that they will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD, let me know!

That statement does not hold much water in light of the fact that the last lifetime ban for multi handle pole voting didn't work

That statement does not hold much water either in that you provided no proof of me being bad on my word, that is to say you because you say it does not make it ture! Thus the only people that would fall for that lie are the ones that want to belive it without any proof of it.

But I digress

My offer still stands.. As soon as you come up with a way to guarantee that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD! S!

First, you are wrong, I did not ever get a lifetime ban. I don't pole vote???? I am not sure how to make it ture???? Again a lifetime ban will do it, but you must now weasel out of your false promise. All talk and not action. Your arrogance is astounding for someone who can't spell..

bongodriver

07-14-2012 10:16 PM

I love how criticizing spelling is 'always' the last resort in a lost argument.

Icarus1

07-14-2012 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 445030)

But is it 'good luck with that'? I sense just another month of relentless dev bashing.

No dev bashing, but their record so far does not look promising that they will fix it soon.

Icarus1

07-14-2012 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 445040)

I love how criticizing spelling is 'always' the last resort in a lost argument.

I love how you fanbois here have to argue everyone down who dares speak the truth about problems with this software. It is very juvenile stuff. I'm out of here and leave you and A$$ of A$$es to argue with someone else.

bongodriver

07-14-2012 10:22 PM

Ah followed by the classics 'fanbois', 'ass of asses', real playground stuff.

ACE-OF-ACES

07-14-2012 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 445040)

I love how criticizing spelling is 'always' the last resort in a lost argument.

So true, just not sure what spelling error he was making reference too? pole vs. what I wrote, poll?

ACE-OF-ACES

07-14-2012 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus1 (Post 445039)

First, you are wrong, I did not ever get a lifetime ban.

You will have to forgive me for not taking you word on this, in light of the fact that you have no problem making up unfouded lies about me, what would stop you from lieing about anything?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus1 (Post 445039)

I don't pole vote???? I am not sure how to make it ture????

Read what I wrote again and I think you will note that I wrote 'poll' not 'pole'

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus1 (Post 445039)

Again a lifetime ban will do it,

No a lifetime ban will not guarantee that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD, but my offer still stands, if you can come up with a way to guarantee that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD, let me know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus1 (Post 445039)

but you must now weasel out of your false promise.

No weasel out on my part!

The only thing that keeps me from buying your game from you is the fact that no one has come up with a way to guaranteed that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus1 (Post 445039)

All talk and not action.

Ill take action as soon as come up with a way to guaranteed that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Icarus1 (Post 445039)

Your arrogance is astounding for someone who can't spell..

Well because my arrogance is not based on my spelling as much as it is based on my good looks!

Wolf_Rider

07-15-2012 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 445040)

I love how criticizing spelling is 'always' the last resort in a lost argument.

and name calling just indicates they have no argument to stand on.....

catito14

07-16-2012 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaiser (Post 444646)

on "Sukhoi" there is information that the main resources are provided to BoM....

How is that?? I can´t enter in "sukhoi" to check that info, could you talk a little more about that info please?
Thanks

Fearless_1

07-16-2012 03:13 AM

Damn, I can't believe they still let you post here. You act like you own the place and you're a real disturbance to people who come to this board due to liking sims. Will you just get off it already? There's a difference between what someone like you can get away with on a postboard and what you'd limp away with in person.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES (Post 445053)

You will have to forgive me for not taking you word on this, in light of the fact that you have no problem making up unfouded lies about me, what would stop you from lieing about anything?

Read what I wrote again and I think you will note that I wrote 'poll' not 'pole'

No a lifetime ban will not guarantee that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD, but my offer still stands, if you can come up with a way to guarantee that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD, let me know.

No weasel out on my part!

The only thing that keeps me from buying your game from you is the fact that no one has come up with a way to guaranteed that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

Ill take action as soon as come up with a way to guaranteed that you will no longer post in this or any other forum wrt CoD

Well because my arrogance is not based on my spelling as much as it is based on my good looks!

ACE-OF-ACES

07-16-2012 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fearless_1 (Post 445477)

Are you the same Fearless_1 that I shot down 5 times in a row the other night? If so, you attacking me here will not even the score!

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