I agree with this PoV... everything has its limits.

I have no doubt the game will be released in one form or another. In the end Oleg MAY be forced to release something less than he invisioned but it will be released. I'm also quite sure he and his team are hard at work to insure most if not all of their vision is realized. I would say there is a 0.5% chance of SOW ending up to be vaporware.

It was interesting reading the update on Fighter Ops at SimHq with the developer stating that there are many features being built into FO that he would prefer not to talk about at this time. Oleg and many other developers are keeping their features in house until the appropriate time.

I also agree... seeing that they made a lot of work already, I'm sure we would have fun with SOW in its current state (judging by some SOW videos).

So... it's not too much if we ask for pre-alpha demo, now, is it:lol:?

CrazyIvan is going to ream me on msn but ...........

...you guys need to get a grip, all this Oleg slurping doesn't do ANYTHING to motivate them. Only negative input works.

Fact is this 'vaporware' is waaaaaaaaaaaay behind schedule and all the excuse making is silly.

There have been countless 'release' dates and all of them have been bullshite. The only saving grace was that they were going to give us an 'incremental' upgrade and after MUCH pressure from people who actually care about the sim as opposed to all the Oleg baglickers they realized the virtue in creating something from the ground up.

Now lets see if they actually get the scaling, netcode and dedicated server, dynamic online campaign system and online browser/chat system right this time ..........

It has nothing to do with backlicking. Its about showing apprieciation for years of hard work from a developer that has given his software for what amounts to peanuts for the rest of us. Then there are the ingrates who can only see aspects of the sim that doesn't meet their criteria. Well I suggest you break open your piggy bank and develop your own sim or become an investor in another group. And don't tell me you invested plenty in Oleg sims, those investments amount to shite.

If i hadn´t known what a "troll" is, after the post from 13th Hsqn Protos i know.

I hear ya...but I couldn't help myself.

Once again... the difference between publishers and developers.. Developers will not take a second as suggested and say something or post something (screenshot, a movie, etc) without publishers authorization... And since SOW has more then one publisher it`s not two seconds anymore... just remember that. As someone mentioned here, this is not a hobby, it`s a business, so rules do apply. Hope you guys understand...

+1

Maybe they do, if somebody else than me keeps posting it... Considering how many flames I received for my posts, PM or replies, I can't believe so many people still don't know about the difference and the legal issues Oleg would run in, if he took his 2 minutes. And if he did, we would be pleased for 2 minutes, but Oleg risks a lot more. Just imagine UBI thinks Oleg disregards contracts and cancels all support for BoB and future products.

Considering that, it's getting harder and harder for me to understand, why everybody presses Oleg to post a screenshot or two and risk the death of the series that we all are waiting for, so much.

Ok.. I think I understand why developers are not allowed to post updates as they want because they are bound by a contract with the publishers. But one thing I do not understand is the erratic way that updates appear?

At the beginning of this forum Oleg said, that he hoped that updates would come "every 2-3 weeks or so". I think it has been a little longer than that this time :-) Would it not be in a contract how often updates could be posted by the developers? And would a contract not contain what content was allowed to be showed? Or are contract not that precise and only specifie the rough outline of what is allowed?

And are developers not allowed to tell that it has limitations regarding updates put on them by the publishers?

Just curious to how it all works :-)

AFAIK from Olegs statements and infact I already linked or quoted to most of them, UBI is having the control over the informations being released. Of course Oleg probably hoped to be able to post updates every 2-3 weeks and would like to do so, but the reason it doesn't happen is not due to the fact that he doesn't care, likes to torture us or stopped the project in the meanwhile.

No, it's most likely he even hoped for permission to post updates here, maybe especially with the reasoning, that 1C is publisher, too, and this is their board, but from the facts we have I guess this was a clear negative from UBI (again), at least concerning substantial news on the project until they officially announce the game, which they didn't do yet.

So, in a sense you are perfectly right. It very likely is in the contracts how updates are handled and as it was posted from official side on this forum: No official statements until UBI allows it. So the number and frequency of updates is ZERO.

1C already stated that it is that way, Oleg posted so before, too, so why should they keep complaining. It's the deal and at the moment UBI is the one giving the most money. And you usually don't bite the hand that feeds you by posting bad stuff about them or complaining about contracts you agreed upon before.

A typical remark from you the chief Oleg apologizer. Stick to making crappy maps.

Wipe your chin you got some white stuff on it.

Classy.

wow, your cool...I could never be like you.

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A typical remark from you the chief Oleg apologizer. Stick to making crappy maps.

Wipe your chin you got some white stuff on it.
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And he's brave too. I know I'd be really scared if he said it to my face. LMFAO

That's what you get, when somebody fell asleep on his Tarzan-Comic again.

Xtreme low level flying here?

I guess they'll stall and hit the deck soon....

We can only hope.

And back to the topic of this thread :-)

Feuerfalke I think you are right, but it still does not answer why the updates has been so erratic in coming forward.

It is also curious that we have had two long waits for updates and when asked when they would appear, the answer was that they would be given within one week. This gives me the notion, that asking for updates will weald a result (offcourse within reason) And the key is also asking not demanding ;-)

I can understand that the Maddox team is working so hard, that they forget the updates and forum members. This also makes the erratic posting from them understandable..

They do not forget. And repeated asking does not insure answers. Oleg's dedication to the community does and if at all, the tone in this forum is rather contra-productive. Remember, for each wrong statement they made hoping to be able to give us something, further increases this bad behavior, thus of course makes it harder to decide to post any further statements.

My guess is, that Oleg posted this here, because it's older stuff and because it's non-relevant in terms of determining how detailed and complex BoB will really be.

Just my humble opinion.

Whoever has developed anything in a competitive environment knows that information of own and for competitors' products is vital.
For example, you may have a wonderful product, i.e. original IL-2, and luck of ideas for good campaigns. And all of a sudden you hear about BoB's campaign system and you find the "key" to complete your product and move forward, far away from any competitor.
We all get the idea, right?

I think this is the only reason we don't hear much about SoW:BoB and why not many people have access to this privileged information.
And unless we are close to late-beta, I wouldn't expect more information, not because it's difficult for Oleg and his team to give it, but rather because this would endanger the whole project and would leave it vulnerable to being copied by competitors.

Do I want SoW:BoB soonest possible? Heck yes!
Would I risk its succession just to get it earlier? Heck no!

Just my humble opinion.

I agree Dolphin, i think the lack of info/updates tells us that the finished product is a long long way off.

I understand the necessity for keeping the game innovations secret for as long as possible. So I would not mind if they only showed pictures of the different planes, vehicles and buildings. But for some reason they do not do that at a regular basis..

But still I am looking forward to this game because I know Oleg will bring us the best flightsimulator ever :-)

IMO: we would be hearing complaints from the development team if "BoB SoW" was vapor ware. I honestly believe that if the future of "BoB SoW" was the great "trash heap of computer dreams" that we would be hearing complaints from the people who have put their time and effort into development...

Everyone who is or has worked on "BoB SoW" has kept their mouths shut tight about what is going on...not a peep of descent has been heard from the development team. If SoW had been canceled I guarantee that we would have heard from some pissed off modeler or code monkey...computer geeks are notorious for venting their complaints on the internet, and if their was nothing at stake (if the game was never to see the light of day) someone somewhere would love to grab a little "internet fame" by being the first to "let the cat out of the bag"...

People will only unite behind a project (and keep their mouths shut) if they have something to gain (or if they are scared)...

If any of you who are complaining actually understood how things work between a developer and the publisher you would probable be pretty quiet right now.

The fact is nobody except for the developer and the publisher really knows what's going on. Add in there aren't many developers building on the PC let alone the monies made from a combat flight sim these days are tiny in comparison of other titles.

Right or wrong Combat Flight Sim titles aren't going to get the funding like a Crysis or COD4 for that matter. There is a reason why most of the flight sims we look forward to are actually not made in the States. Its a 3rd of the cost to develope offshore.

The good news is many developers and publishers want to get back into PC gaming as it's very lucrative and you don't have to pay heavy licensing fees to MS and Sony to run on their Platform. The problem stems from Piracy. There are a few titles that come to mind that where absolutely Ripped off and lost a ton of revenue because so many people downloaded it.

If piracy get addressed you will see more games for the PC. Right now PCs are outstripping some of the consoles in terms of performance.

My guess is we will see a change in 2 years.

What we know:

BOB SOW started in approx 2004
The addons of Pacific Fighters, Pe-2, IL-2 1946, and free updates delayed full time work on SOW until atleast mid 2007.
There are always delays developing a new engine.
There are always delays when adding new features to an engine.
Oleg would like to have more updates but UBI has the final say with all info released.
UBI and other publishers have Valid reasons for keeping all info close to the chest. (they are not doing it to just to piss us off)
Oleg and others have mentioned that the team is working hard and are getting closer every day to the beta stage.
UBI will start an appropriate advertising campaign when the time is right. That is part of their contract as a publisher.

Speculation:

Since there are few monies coming in after the release of IL-2 1946 there is an urgency to complete SOW for the end of this year. I believe SOW will be release within a few months of the end of this year even if they have to delay a feature or two until the next addition to the series.

~Salute~
Chivas

+1

2008. 2009. 2010. ...who cares...thers a life beside foking sims

Though this may be improbable, lets not forget how many times BETAs of the IL2 patches were leaked prematurely. No idea who did the leaking.... whether it was an inside job close to developement or some other factor... but it did occur. So information may be even held closer to the vest than we imagine.

Add that in with all the publisher/developer/competitor things and it's no wonder info is scarce.

When something of consequence has ever come up and we the buying public needed to know, Oleg has always let us know. I have no doubt things are going forward. We'll get BoB soon enough. I myself am betting on a late 08 or early 09.

A typical remark from you, the chief IL2 d*ckhead. Why dont you just keep away and make your lame-ass remarks elsewhere.

I see you still havent made it past puberty...