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GS_Hunger 06-13-2012 07:45 PM

deutschlaaaand! deutschlaaaaaaand!

Bewolf 06-13-2012 08:41 PM

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Hey Osprey, I think you said something on the other page. Sorry, too lazy to check it up, remind me again? :D

Oh right, I remember!

pupo162 06-13-2012 09:20 PM

Ha!

just got home, and the day couldnt have gone better ( well we could have jsut won 2-0)

Overral, i think portugal really desearved the win, and the 2-2 was undesearved, the first goal was a huge fail of the defense, one in a lifetime, and the second one was just bad luck coming from the goalkeaper.

the 3rd goal was party material for the rest of the game, people really were euforic when it happened.

Now, that Ronaldo.... what is wrong with him?? i mean, he is supposed to be the beast in the world, and he did made some terrible mistakes, i think this is a secret plan, make ronaldo suck in first games, people will back off while covering him (he had 2 man assigned on him today), and we will be able to move freally during playoffs.... maybe not.


God job germany, missed most of the match, but the goals, and what an amazing goals.


About tomorrow: 2 straight games, not much to be expected, probably will miss both to study....

Bewolf 06-13-2012 10:34 PM

Yeah, what what I have seen, Ronaldo was out of his mind this game. Dunno, such days happen, but this game was too important for such a day. Luckily the rest of the team managed, quite obviously :D

WIll have to watch a repeat one of these days!

raaaid 06-13-2012 10:41 PM

they are pretending those guys play much better than they pretend to, humm betting....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaEMu...eature=related

major_setback 06-13-2012 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raaaid (Post 434721)
they are pretending those guys play much better than they pretend to, humm betting....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaEMu...eature=related

I will state the obvious. It could have take him 10 times to get each shot right, or more.

raaaid 06-13-2012 11:05 PM

well of course though he does two in a row too

i think most havent seen this one:

i watched it in the news AS REAL though for promotion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdYzY1-j3Ls

SEE 06-14-2012 02:21 AM

You have to admire the Germans........why the hell can't our lads (England) play like that? Poland, Ukraine showed some true grit - nice to see too.

I don't see England creating the chances even if and when they do keep the ball - they seem to be devoid of that 'cutting edge killer instinct' or maybe they just lack the confidence to perform at their true potential at international level!

Gripe - Theo Walcott substitute with 90 seconds of the match to go - what the hell was that all about?

Robo. 06-14-2012 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 434699)
Overral, i think portugal really desearved the win, and the 2-2 was undesearved, the first goal was a huge fail of the defense, one in a lifetime, and the second one was just bad luck coming from the goalkeaper.

2 - 2 was well deserved imho, it was a good game and the Danes showed a lot of fighting spirit. You've made it in the end but a draw wouldn't surprise me at all. Nice game.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 434699)
God job germany, missed most of the match, but the goals, and what an amazing goals.

Deutschland!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 434699)
About tomorrow: 2 straight games, not much to be expected, probably will miss both to study....

Never such a thing like a straight game in this kind of tournament. ;)

SEE I hope they will improve their game throughout the tournament for I am great fan of English football. Looking from outside, at least your lads play and don't do much of the acting bit like the other teams. You're very good and I think you've got a good chance for making it very far!

Osprey 06-14-2012 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewolf (Post 434688)
:D:D:D:D:D:D

Hey Osprey, I think you said something on the other page. Sorry, too lazy to check it up, remind me again? :D

Oh right, I remember!

I said that Germany lacked pace in the side. That hasn't changed.

I never said that they wouldn't reach the next stage - of course they would. I just said that they won't win it, which is contrary to the expectations of most German fans (apparently)

I only caught the second half last night because I was playing myself, the Dutch lost their shape and looked a bit disorganised so it's not unexpected that a disciplined German team would pull a few holes in there. Perfect group for Germany, an over-rated Portuguese team, punch-less Denmark and typically Dutch team with loads of promise but at war with itself as usual. Group of death? You must be joking.

Osprey 06-14-2012 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEE (Post 434757)
You have to admire the Germans........why the hell can't our lads (England) play like that? Poland, Ukraine showed some true grit - nice to see too.

I don't see England creating the chances even if and when they do keep the ball - they seem to be devoid of that 'cutting edge killer instinct' or maybe they just lack the confidence to perform at their true potential at international level!

Now, I don't think this is the best England side we have but don't forget we were playing a good French team who haven't lost in 22 matches. England were organised in defence, played with 2 rows which is tough to break down and have some pacy players to break out with, although imo Wellbeck was poor as an outlet and failed to hold the ball up quite a few times. Rooney would do this job much better. Also, consider that the referee (sorry to blame the ref) failed to stop the French from cynical fouls on at least 10 occasions which allowed them to regroup from dangerous situations. Given that England cut them open early on and Milner failed to score - it's this sort of break they were vulnerable to and had we been protected from that sort of cynical foul by the ref we'd have had a few more chances like that. What we do not know about is consistency. Sweden are not a strong team but they play differently, I think we will win it. Ukraine are a worry because they are hosts - god knows what sort of ref we'll get for that! :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by SEE (Post 434757)
Gripe - Theo Walcott substitute with 90 seconds of the match to go - what the hell was that all about?

Running down the clock.

Bewolf 06-14-2012 01:43 PM

Where is Bongo when you need him?

Here! there you have a first hand example, hehe.

And Osprey, you take those games waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to serious!
A pity we probably won't have a Germany-England match to settle those debates. ;)

bongodriver 06-14-2012 01:45 PM

Quote:

Where is Bongo when you need him?

Wha?....what's happening, someone called?

Icebear 06-14-2012 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osprey (Post 434783)
I only caught the second half last night because I was playing myself, the Dutch lost their shape and looked a bit disorganised so it's not unexpected that a disciplined German team would pull a few holes in there. Perfect group for Germany, an over-rated Portuguese team, punch-less Denmark and typically Dutch team with loads of promise but at war with itself as usual. Group of death? You must be joking.

Too bad that you missed the first half. IMHO Germany played nearly perfect football in the first half. 61% (!) ball possession for the Dutch and two goals for Germany. As a matter fact the Dutch played with themselves as there was no way to get through (except one lucky chance). They looked like fools and not like the vice world champions. And you could see in their astonished faces that saw what they wished to play..... Too sad that van Marwijk did not have the b*lls to send Huntelaar and van der Vaart right from the beginning.

P.S.: Whose older? John Terry or Mark van Bommel? ;)

Bewolf 06-14-2012 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 434850)
Wha?....what's happening, someone called?

Just a little example above in regards to our usual german-british debates, hehe.

So, Italy Croatia and Spain-Ireland tonight. Croatia may surpirse us, any tips in regards to Ireland vs. Spain? I suspect a slaughter, but I could be wrong.

bongodriver 06-14-2012 02:10 PM

Oh....I hate football with a passion....so I don't care who wins.

pupo162 06-14-2012 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewolf (Post 434855)
Just a little example above in regards to our usual german-british debates, hehe.

So, Italy Croatia and Spain-Ireland tonight. Croatia may surpirse us, any tips in regards to Ireland vs. Spain? I suspect a slaughter, but I could be wrong.

meh... im betting on easy wins for both spain and italy.

Regarding england, i think i agree with Osprey, they did pull a great match against france, They did some great plays, and their goal was very good. The frech goal was individually very good too, but i think i prefered the british goal.

wait and see... wait and see

csThor 06-14-2012 02:32 PM

Well ... Germany is now reaping the rewards of what was started in the dark days after the World Cup 1998. Then the focus was shifted towards better training methods and environment for the youth teams, with the DFB supervising. All national teams (from the U15 up) were reorganised, the trainer staff was made more professional and the philosophy was harmonized. Most of the current and coming national players went through this school - Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Badstuber, Hummels, Boateng, Özil ... It takes a lot of time and investments - and even more patience - but it does work well.

As for England. I do see the greatest problem of England in the form of the Premier League. Right now it's not more than a totally overpriced economical comedy totally focused on squeezing every pence out of the fans. For over a decade money was blown out of the chimney for expensive "superstars" (most of them not from England) by rich people who treat the football clubs as their personal toys - or by greedy club bosses who financed everything from loans. Where would Chelsea be without Abramovitch? Or ManCity without their Sheikh? Bancrupt, the pieces sold and playing in some local amateur league. And the english national team is paying for these developments - and have been paying for them for a few years already. As long as the insane procedure of pumping a few million pounds into a few foreing football players every year continues the national team will continue to decline. We in Germany had this in the 90s and the World Cup 1998 and the Euro 2000 showed drastically where this road led.

With the advent of the "financial fair play" as the UEFA calls it this way of operating is going to end, anyway. It'll be a crunch for a few leagues, most notably the Premier League and the Primera Division, but in the end it will lead to a healthier football and less economical gamblers.

Osprey 06-14-2012 03:41 PM

Don't get me wrong here, I think Germany are a better team 'on paper' than England, but England are capable of beating them should we meet, if we got a spot of luck. We have a new coach and he's drilled in some organisation, we were solid for most of the game versus France and dangerous on the break. Holland were very poor value but you could see that if you have a couple of pacey players against Germany then holes appeared. Sneijder and Robben got behind the fullbacks a few times, but the side was a bit of a mess and couldn't make anything of it. Germany though are very patient and keep possession really well which I think is their biggest asset.

Portugal had a better team a few years ago imho when they had that little dirty dog Deco playing in central midfield plus the only real 'striker' they had in Luis Figo. They now rely on Nani and Ronaldo, and the latter doesn't appear to be playing at his best right now. For me Spain are still very strong. They played an excellent Italian side and punched holes in them at times, I think they are still the team to beat - the Irish will get a pasting tonight :D

Regarding the long term problems in English football, csThor is dead right but it's going to get worse. Because EPL clubs don't develop many players themselves last Summer they have bribed the majority of the 72 EFL clubs below them to vote in the EPPP, which is a system where the EPL can take any young player from any club at any time for a nominal sum. They got this through because 3/4 of the 72 don't have academies and are unlikely to ever get into the EPL so they voted for the cash. My club, Crystal Palace, have an excellent Academy so what will we do? Possibly Abolish the academy because it won't be worth it. Our present side has several academy player in it - 2 players to watch for the future are Jonathan Williams and Wilfried Zaha

pupo162 06-14-2012 06:34 PM

there, this thread is the living proof i suck at predictions, and why i dotn bet lottarys......

croaci 1 -1 italy. Another great goal for the Euro, the italian one.

EDIT:

soooo Torres scored... and the only portuguese player did manage to create one hell of an opportunity for the spanish team (After taking down a irish player),


shame the portuguese is the referee

Bewolf 06-14-2012 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 434937)
there, this thread is the living proof i suck at predictions, and why i dotn bet lottarys......

croaci 1 -1 italy. Another great goal for the Euro, the italian one.

Told you not to underestimate Croatia. They have some real fighting spirit. Another example of a small country capable to holds it's own against one of the greats in football.

Was a very fine game that.

Ireland right now under a lot of pressure, but they also giving everything. Even bevoming dangerous at times. I hope Ireland manages to get past the group stages, even though I doubt it.

pupo162 06-14-2012 07:56 PM

nah... spain is dominating. ireland is out...

Im Pretty confident Spain will win the group, the question is who will pass? croatia or Italy? A draw beetween spain and cratio would be enough wouldnt it? ill be doing the math later.

BTW, have you checked the math behind our group? lol, anything can happen (except the garantee that Germany will keep on), but other than that, IReland Danmark and Holland are still possible candidates for the next phase.

Bewolf 06-14-2012 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 434956)
nah... spain is dominating. ireland is out...

Im Pretty confident Spain will win the group, the question is who will pass? croatia or Italy? A draw beetween spain and cratio would be enough wouldnt it? ill be doing the math later.

BTW, have you checked the math behind our group? lol, anything can happen (except the garantee that Germany will keep on), but other than that, IReland Danmark and Holland are still possible candidates for the next phase.

I like our group, great games and lots of eventualities. Even the Netherlands still have the theoretical chance to move on :D

pupo162 06-14-2012 08:14 PM

lets hope not... and score quite a few agains Danmark will you?


soo torres scored again! i really like this player, tough he failed to succed at the english league, he has done 2 great matches (he played 15 min the first, and so did spain) and scored 2 goals... more will come.

Bewolf 06-14-2012 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 434961)
lets hope not... and score quite a few agains Danmark will you?


soo torres scored again! i really like this player, tough he failed to succed at the english league, he has done 2 great matches (he played 15 min the first, and so did spain) and scored 2 goals... more will come.

Will certainly hope so, hehe.

3:0 here now, done deal. And yes, the Spanish team will go far for sure. Still a very hard tournament to come.

pupo162 06-14-2012 08:26 PM

scratch that 4:0

Fabregas is also a great player clearly.... this is what the portuguese team is missing, someone who can score nice and easy... Damm you Ronaldo... wake up already!´

EDIT:

TO note, Nothign shuts up the Irish, what a great public, chearing their team on the face of clear defeat, and fairplay, aplauding the spanish goals respectufully. They desearve a goal.

Bewolf 06-14-2012 08:39 PM

Those irish fans are boss. Much kudos to them, great team, great people alltogether here. Can you imagine what other countrie's fans would have done on such a loss?

4:0, bye bye Ireland, see you next tournament hopefully.

pupo162 06-14-2012 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bewolf (Post 434969)
Those irish fans are boss. Much kudos to them, great team, great people alltogether here. Can you imagine what other countrie's fans would have done on such a loss?

4:0, bye bye Ireland, see you next tournament hopefully.

The portuguese would ahve left the stadium by the second goal... I went to see the match agiasnt Denmark "semi"-live in an open air event with some 4000 people (maybe more, cant count over 100 yet), and many left when denmark scored the second goal.

So tomorrow i bet.... nah, keeping my mouth shut.

Osprey 06-14-2012 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 434961)
lets hope not... and score quite a few agains Danmark will you?


soo torres scored again! i really like this player, tough he failed to succed at the english league, he has done 2 great matches (he played 15 min the first, and so did spain) and scored 2 goals... more will come.


Only for Chelsea. He was alright for Liverpool, well, for one season lol

Ireland are in their final anyway, that's why they cheer. Being a fan of a lower league club I can relate to it - the expectations are different that's all, they aren't any different to any other people.

Osprey 06-14-2012 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csThor (Post 434865)
As for England. I do see the greatest problem of England in the form of the Premier League. Right now it's not more than a totally overpriced economical comedy totally focused on squeezing every pence out of the fans. For over a decade money was blown out of the chimney for expensive "superstars" (most of them not from England) by rich people who treat the football clubs as their personal toys - or by greedy club bosses who financed everything from loans. Where would Chelsea be without Abramovitch? Or ManCity without their Sheikh? Bancrupt, the pieces sold and playing in some local amateur league. And the english national team is paying for these developments - and have been paying for them for a few years already. As long as the insane procedure of pumping a few million pounds into a few foreing football players every year continues the national team will continue to decline. We in Germany had this in the 90s and the World Cup 1998 and the Euro 2000 showed drastically where this road led.

With the advent of the "financial fair play" as the UEFA calls it this way of operating is going to end, anyway. It'll be a crunch for a few leagues, most notably the Premier League and the Primera Division, but in the end it will lead to a healthier football and less economical gamblers.


As I said, the EPPP makes it's first strike!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18278621

Wycombe Wanderers scrap youth academy

By Paul Fletcher
BBC Sport
The Supporters' Trust poised to take over at Wycombe Wanderers has decided to close the club's youth system.
It leaves Wycombe as the only one of the 72 Football League clubs without any form of youth development.
In a statement, the club cited "financial limitations" and the "increased demands" of the Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) - a new system for academies in England.
The Chairboys have a successful history of producing promising youngsters.
In recent years, players such as Blackpool winger Matt Phillips and Wolves defender Roger Johnson have come through the ranks.

Wycombe sold striker Jordon Ibe to Liverpool last December, while winger Kadeem Harris, the League Two apprentice of the year in 2011, joined Championship side Cardiff in January.
And the club, relegated from League One last season, have recently offered new deals to home-grown midfield pairing Jesse-Kewley Graham and Josh Scowen.
"Wanderers were opposed to the EPPP from the outset, voting against the proposal at a meeting alongside fellow Football League clubs in October," the club statement continued.
"However, the ruling was passed and the club believes it is certain to change the way in which Football League clubs are able to operate at youth level."
A senior figure at Adams Park told BBC Sport the decision was not solely based on the introduction of EPPP, which is due to start nation-wide next season.
And the Trust, which is set to take over the club from current owner Steve Hayes, remains hopeful that it will be able to reintroduce a youth programme at some point in the future.
But the Supporters' Trust are determined to ensure the club will break even financially and believe that in the short term they cannot sustain the cost of their youth system, which is currently in the region of £300,000 per season.
This is despite the fact that EPPP, proposed by the Premier League, agreed by the Football League last October and set to be introduced at the start of the 2012-13 season, will increase payments to all clubs for youth development.
EPPP will also see the introduction of a new four-tier academy system and, as part of the deal, set tariffs have been introduced to replace the tribunal system for the sale of home-grown players.

The introduction of EPPP was widely criticised as a system that would favour Premier League clubs.
In his column at the time Wycombe's Matt Bloomfield said: "I am worried by the possible affect of the new system on clubs like ours who produce their own young players to play in their first team and then to sell for a price that helps to keep the club running."
The Trust is unsure that the structure of the new tribunal system, with a focus on smaller up-front payments but increased add-ons, will generate the required reward on their investment in youth.
They are also concerned by the Football League's retrospective auditing process, which could see clubs asked to pay back funds given for youth development if they have not met certain criteria in line with their category status.
With the focus firmly on running the club as a stable concern, a senior source at the club said the Trust thinks it would be "too risky" to continue with the youth programme.
The club website states that there are 10 full-time employees in the youth department, as well as 25 part-time staff, coaching boys aged eight to 18, who will all lose their jobs.
Those young players who are not offered professional contracts will be given help finding a new club.
Wycombe's centre of excellence technical development officer Dave George announced his retirement last month.
The exact category status of most Football League clubs has yet to be determined, although it is understood that six clubs in the Championship last season - Southampton, Reading, West Ham, Watford, Middlesbrough and Crystal Palace - applied for category one status.
In the region of 20 are expected to be given category two status, with the vast majority settling for category three.
Clubs in category four will be operating a low-key system, where clubs will pick up 16-year-olds that have been released by other teams.


Wycombe - a youth success story
Blackpool's Matt Phillips joined Wycombe aged eight and made his first-team debut as a 17-year-old
Cardiff's Kadeem Harris made his Wycombe debut in December 2009 aged 16 years and 201 days - the youngest in the club's history at the time
Jordon Ibe , who joined Liverpool in January, broke Harris's record when he made his Football League debut aged 15 years and 311 days


Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP)
A new four-tier academy system
Set tariffs to replace the tribunal system for the sale of home-grown players
End of the 90-minute rule
Increased payments to all clubs for youth development
Will be introduced from the 2012-2013 season

Bewolf 06-15-2012 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osprey (Post 434990)
As I said, the EPPP makes it's first strike!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18278621

Wycombe Wanderers scrap youth academy

By Paul Fletcher
BBC Sport
The Supporters' Trust poised to take over at Wycombe Wanderers has decided to close the club's youth system.
It leaves Wycombe as the only one of the 72 Football League clubs without any form of youth development.
In a statement, the club cited "financial limitations" and the "increased demands" of the Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) - a new system for academies in England.
The Chairboys have a successful history of producing promising youngsters.
In recent years, players such as Blackpool winger Matt Phillips and Wolves defender Roger Johnson have come through the ranks.

Wycombe sold striker Jordon Ibe to Liverpool last December, while winger Kadeem Harris, the League Two apprentice of the year in 2011, joined Championship side Cardiff in January.
And the club, relegated from League One last season, have recently offered new deals to home-grown midfield pairing Jesse-Kewley Graham and Josh Scowen.
"Wanderers were opposed to the EPPP from the outset, voting against the proposal at a meeting alongside fellow Football League clubs in October," the club statement continued.
"However, the ruling was passed and the club believes it is certain to change the way in which Football League clubs are able to operate at youth level."
A senior figure at Adams Park told BBC Sport the decision was not solely based on the introduction of EPPP, which is due to start nation-wide next season.
And the Trust, which is set to take over the club from current owner Steve Hayes, remains hopeful that it will be able to reintroduce a youth programme at some point in the future.
But the Supporters' Trust are determined to ensure the club will break even financially and believe that in the short term they cannot sustain the cost of their youth system, which is currently in the region of £300,000 per season.
This is despite the fact that EPPP, proposed by the Premier League, agreed by the Football League last October and set to be introduced at the start of the 2012-13 season, will increase payments to all clubs for youth development.
EPPP will also see the introduction of a new four-tier academy system and, as part of the deal, set tariffs have been introduced to replace the tribunal system for the sale of home-grown players.

The introduction of EPPP was widely criticised as a system that would favour Premier League clubs.
In his column at the time Wycombe's Matt Bloomfield said: "I am worried by the possible affect of the new system on clubs like ours who produce their own young players to play in their first team and then to sell for a price that helps to keep the club running."
The Trust is unsure that the structure of the new tribunal system, with a focus on smaller up-front payments but increased add-ons, will generate the required reward on their investment in youth.
They are also concerned by the Football League's retrospective auditing process, which could see clubs asked to pay back funds given for youth development if they have not met certain criteria in line with their category status.
With the focus firmly on running the club as a stable concern, a senior source at the club said the Trust thinks it would be "too risky" to continue with the youth programme.
The club website states that there are 10 full-time employees in the youth department, as well as 25 part-time staff, coaching boys aged eight to 18, who will all lose their jobs.
Those young players who are not offered professional contracts will be given help finding a new club.
Wycombe's centre of excellence technical development officer Dave George announced his retirement last month.
The exact category status of most Football League clubs has yet to be determined, although it is understood that six clubs in the Championship last season - Southampton, Reading, West Ham, Watford, Middlesbrough and Crystal Palace - applied for category one status.
In the region of 20 are expected to be given category two status, with the vast majority settling for category three.
Clubs in category four will be operating a low-key system, where clubs will pick up 16-year-olds that have been released by other teams.


Wycombe - a youth success story
Blackpool's Matt Phillips joined Wycombe aged eight and made his first-team debut as a 17-year-old
Cardiff's Kadeem Harris made his Wycombe debut in December 2009 aged 16 years and 201 days - the youngest in the club's history at the time
Jordon Ibe , who joined Liverpool in January, broke Harris's record when he made his Football League debut aged 15 years and 311 days


Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP)
A new four-tier academy system
Set tariffs to replace the tribunal system for the sale of home-grown players
End of the 90-minute rule
Increased payments to all clubs for youth development
Will be introduced from the 2012-2013 season

Ufff. Now that reeks.
Do you have an idea how this development started in the first place? And why fans and clubs let themselves treated this way? All hell would break lose here if something similiar happend.

pupo162 06-15-2012 04:08 PM

so.... its raining.

:grin:

csThor 06-15-2012 05:08 PM

I agree with Bewolf. The fan clubs would riot if any club attempted such a nonsense. :shock:

arthursmedley 06-15-2012 07:40 PM

Bad luck Ukraine but this new young French team are looking very good indeed.

Meanwhile, just when I thought England were going into crap mode Andy Carroll heads in the best goal of the tournament so far!!:grin:





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0laut...feature=fvwrel

fruitbat 06-15-2012 07:58 PM

ahhh, John Barnes rapping.....

arthursmedley 06-15-2012 08:09 PM

A viking makes it one - all. Game on!

fruitbat 06-15-2012 08:17 PM

lol, 2-1 Sweden.

arthursmedley 06-15-2012 08:18 PM

I'll get me coat.............................:rolleyes:

fruitbat 06-15-2012 08:24 PM

this is a comedy game, 2-2, miss kick (but a good one)!

arthursmedley 06-15-2012 08:31 PM

Lets be honest. These are two crap teams. Entertaining though.:cool:

fruitbat 06-15-2012 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arthursmedley (Post 435327)
Lets be honest. These are two crap teams. Entertaining though.:cool:

my thoughts exactly:)

fruitbat 06-15-2012 08:36 PM

ahhh brilliant, 3-2:grin:

good finish.

arthursmedley 06-15-2012 09:00 PM

3-2. Fantastic! Had to watch the last few minutes through my fingers.;)

Ukraine next. Bring on the Rooneyator.:cool: Look out Granny.;)

mazex 06-15-2012 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fruitbat (Post 435329)
ahhh brilliant, 3-2:grin:

good finish.

But really , didn't Sweden deserve an equal result at least? It's hard to see being so subjective ;)

Bewolf 06-15-2012 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arthursmedley (Post 435334)
3-2. Fantastic! Had to watch the last few minutes through my fingers.;)

Ukraine next. Bring on the Rooneyator.:cool: Look out Granny.;)

Slowly getting into it, eh? :D

Darn, my little brother graduated university today and threw a party, missed all games. So England-Sweden 3:2, yes?

=CfC= Father Ted 06-15-2012 10:22 PM

Yep, squeaked in at 3- 2.

I have to admit to not watching much - spent my evening in the virtual skies in my virtual SE5a. Much as I want to see my country win, I don't want to have to watch them actually playing, sad to say. Cracking head from Carroll, though.

Maybe now that the above-mentioned granny-botherer is back they'll be worth a watch.

fruitbat 06-15-2012 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mazex (Post 435341)
But really , didn't Sweden deserve an equal result at least? It's hard to see being so subjective ;)

Probably on balance.

Both sides had many missed opportunities, really the game could of gone either way. Credit to how Sweden started the second half.

mazex 06-15-2012 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fruitbat (Post 435359)
Probably on balance.

Both sides had many missed opportunities, really the game could of gone either way. Credit to how Sweden started the second half.

Well, as bad as we played against Ukraine we don't deserve to continue in the tournament anyway ;) Good luck against them - I'm pretty sure England will have an easy win there! And that may be needed if France wins over a Swedish team with no motivation in the last round (like we would have had a chance anyway ;)).

pupo162 06-15-2012 11:14 PM

i was all set up to see the Ukraine France game... due to the rain missed all of it. So England won and France too, for once my predictions were correct :P

I will take my chances Russia wins tomorrow, and i will be hoping for a polish win ( i'd like to see both, or at least one of the home teams goign a tad bit further).

philip.ed 06-16-2012 02:01 PM

I actually think England deserved to win, but I said before the match that (defensively) we are shocking and thus all of Sweden's goals would come from set-pieces, as they did. It really is a struggle to watch England play. We're sluggish on the ball, our passing is atrocious, and it's only when you see bursts of flair (such as the build-up to Carrol's goal) you realise that we could be so much better.

Robo. 06-16-2012 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 435378)
iI will take my chances Russia wins tomorrow, and i will be hoping for a polish win ( i'd like to see both, or at least one of the home teams goign a tad bit further).

Nope! :-P

Češiiii!!!!

_YoYo_ 06-16-2012 08:47 PM

Czech & Greece.....

pupo162 06-16-2012 11:11 PM

bloody hell... russia is out!?

ok... im betting Holland and Denmark will pass tomorrow. there, pheraps i get this one wrong!

JG53Frankyboy 06-17-2012 08:19 AM

dump IMHO UEFA rule that put Russia out in the groupe phase.......

pupo162 06-17-2012 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy (Post 435552)
dump IMHO UEFA rule that put Russia out in the groupe phase.......

Meh, in my opinion the upper position should be given to who won the match beetween 2 teams. SO in this case that would still be the greeks to go on.

Bewolf 06-17-2012 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 435562)
Meh, in my opinion the upper position should be given to who won the match beetween 2 teams. SO in this case that would still be the greeks to go on.

Agreed. Football is chaotic, and bad luck is part of that. Can't change rules everytimes one does not like a result.

arthursmedley 06-17-2012 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy (Post 435552)
dump IMHO UEFA rule that put Russia out in the groupe phase.......

Eh? What dumb rule is this? They didn't get the results - they're out. Simples. My only gripe so far is the final group games are on simultaneously.
What do I choose tonight? The Germany game or the Portugese....decisions, decisions......

pupo162 06-17-2012 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by arthursmedley (Post 435602)
Eh? What dumb rule is this? They didn't get the results - they're out. Simples. My only gripe so far is the final group games are on simultaneously.
What do I choose tonight? The Germany game or the Portugese....decisions, decisions......

pick, the germany if you want to see some goals and great gameplay.... pick the portugal-holland if you want to see some mediavel fighting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2oebtN21HE

JG53Frankyboy 06-17-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by arthursmedley (Post 435602)
Eh? What dumb rule is this? They didn't get the results - they're out. Simples. My only gripe so far is the final group games are on simultaneously.
What do I choose tonight? The Germany game or the Portugese....decisions, decisions......

group phase means for me , addition of the results. That the "KO" system is counting already as the second decission factor in a group is new - and still odd for me. in the old system when 'points, goals, goaldifference' counted before the direct comparrison, russia would be second and greece out.
its just my personal opinion!

McHilt 06-17-2012 12:38 PM

The dutch are not up to it so far from what I've watched. I settle for Germany-Denmark tonight for the sake of better gameplay...
Too bad Russia and Poland are out of the game. Poland-Czech Republic was a decent match though.

pupo162 06-17-2012 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy (Post 435609)
group phase means for me , addition of the results. That the "KO" system is counting already as the second decission factor in a group is new - and still odd for me. in the old system when 'points, goals, goaldifference' counted before the direct comparrison, russia would be second and greece out.
its just my personal opinion!

tough i respect your opinion, i think the new method is better. If 2 teams are in a draw, the best of th e2 should move forward, and the best criteria for this wich of the 2 is better is direct confrontation, or we coudl end up with a team who got a lucky strike at another and scored lots of goals (portugal- korea style), passing the group undeserved.

My onyl issue is that direct confrontation should only refer in first instance too this final phase, and not to the whole competition. Then again this is my opinion too.

whoarmongar 06-17-2012 01:13 PM

Its Holland v Portugal for me.
I expect Germany v Denmark will be a draw.
They draw and the Dutch are out, if Germany beat the Danes the Dutch can qualify.
Put your money on Germany to play some squad players and settle for a draw elliminating the Dutch. Cynical view I know but true I think.

arthursmedley 06-17-2012 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy (Post 435609)
group phase means for me , addition of the results. That the "KO" system is counting already as the second decission factor in a group is new - and still odd for me. in the old system when 'points, goals, goaldifference' counted before the direct comparrison, russia would be second and greece out.
its just my personal opinion!

Ah, I see what you mean. Group phase = more TV rights to sell = more money for UEFA and money makes football go round these days.

@Lol, Pupo. I think Germany will take care of Denmark without too many problems but Holland v. Portugal? It'll be like this:-P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8elmVtJ6Jck

Sven 06-17-2012 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by whoarmongar (Post 435616)
Its Holland v Portugal for me.
I expect Germany v Denmark will be a draw.
They draw and the Dutch are out, if Germany beat the Danes the Dutch can qualify.
Put your money on Germany to play some squad players and settle for a draw elliminating the Dutch. Cynical view I know but true I think.

I'm sure that's exactly what is going to happen. The Netherlands are potentially a bigger threat then Denmark for the Germans.

We may win tonight, I very much doubt it, but even if we do, not with 2 goals difference ;)

arthursmedley 06-17-2012 08:46 PM

Ronaldo 2, Holland 1. Pretty impressive performance from Ronaldo and Portugal. At the same time Germany play three, win three, have no injuries or suspensions. Hmmm.........

McHilt 06-17-2012 08:49 PM

Viva Portugal!, well deserved... I'll drink to that (already started before the match that is).

Bewolf 06-17-2012 09:27 PM

Yeah, for the first time this tournament I could enjoy the game at a public viewing with a couple friends and lots of the good stuff.

And the best part? I will be able to do it again :D

Sorry Denmark, no condolences from me this time, parking the busses back at the goal with 9 field players constantly behind the 11m line....For christs sake, you had to WIN this match to go forward! One brilliantly executed goal notwithstanding.
And what is this cynical Germany wanted to see the Netherlands knocked out? Most Germans rooted for the Netherlands, probably one of the very few countries Germany would root for later in the tournament and the sheer crazyness of the event. Times seriously have changed in some regards ;)

pupo162 06-17-2012 10:58 PM

Dutch, in many aspect football can be comapred to il2, its 1 hour and 20 mins of boredom transit flying, for those 10 min of action and dogfight (goals in this case)

SO, this was a completely different portuguese team, we had it all but we were missing the goals, now Ronaldo his awake i can see a greater future, bring on the Czechs!!


Missed the germany match (Duh!), but saw the goals.... germany efficiency is crazy, not much of individual skill but more of a machine... See them in the finals? ;)

And greece vs Germany... i wodner what will that be? after all i can see some political meltdown coming (there was some in the Portugal - germany match! ), Ill hope it stays out of the field, and out of the Supporters, and i expect a german win (sorry Bewolf)

Bewolf 06-18-2012 08:08 AM

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And greece vs Germany... i wodner what will that be? after all i can see some political meltdown coming (there was some in the Portugal - germany match! ), Ill hope it stays out of the field, and out of the Supporters, and i expect a german win (sorry Bewolf)
Eh, certainly hope for a good and fair match. The Greeks did wonders with Russia, seriously did not see that coming, and that needs some praise. And they certainly will have to compensate for the political situation. But as long as both sides keep politics out of the game and respect each other, it should be a tough but great game.

And you most certainly do not have to apologize to me for expecting a german win :D

Congratz btw for beating the Netherlands (poor sobs, really) and going on to the quarters!

pupo162 06-18-2012 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Bewolf (Post 435792)
And you most certainly do not have to apologize to me for expecting a german win :D
!

given my prediction capabilities trough the thread....

SO... is italy staying out? lets find out!

Bewolf 06-18-2012 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 435829)
given my prediction capabilities trough the thread....

SO... is italy staying out? lets find out!

Just got home again.

So Italy - Ireland or Spain - Croatia?

Spain - Coratia.

Bewolf 06-18-2012 08:40 PM

For a moment I saw a sensation on the horizone. Great game, the Croats have my deepest respect. Pity they did not score when htey had the possebility.

Awesome team, but Spain was the tad more awesome with that one goal...walk in the park. :D

pupo162 06-18-2012 08:47 PM

... sigh... once again missed the matches... was hoppign for Croatia and Spain, but Spain is in and that was the priorty for me ( go spain! )

One group left, i would like to see ukrania and England in the next phase. But once again... will miss the matches :evil:

Meusli 06-18-2012 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 435887)
But once again... will miss the matches :evil:

Why? If you have access to a computer maybe you could stream it, or worse case scenario listen to it on the radio.

pupo162 06-18-2012 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Meusli (Post 435888)
Why? If you have access to a computer maybe you could stream it, or worse case scenario listen to it on the radio.

will be in class and then on a bus home, the luck is not on my side, and will have a reharsal the day after, so i will only see the Portugla match now :(

Meusli 06-18-2012 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 435891)
will be in class and then on a bus home, the luck is not on my side, and will have a reharsal the day after, so i will only see the Portugla match now :(

Bring us the day when we can stream live footage to our mobiles. :(

SEE 06-18-2012 10:20 PM

One group to be decided!

According to the stats being discussed on the radio, it was the first time (England V Sweden) that England have ever won a major international match after going behind in the second half in normal time....here's hoping that they go on to win the group.

I had to laugh when a commentator described Greece as 'Garbage' and dismissed any notion that they could beat Russia - simple truth is that Greece can score (even with ten men), usually do and concede few......:grin:

ZioSam 06-18-2012 10:21 PM

Italy now is dangerous,no cookie thx to the refree,cause fabregas tried to let croatia score.Italy and spain deserved to pass,Cratia racist supporters(they throw bananas and racist louds to Mario Balotelli,+ BUUU louds with italian hymn) better for them to go home

Jatta Raso 06-18-2012 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ZioSam (Post 435904)
Italy now is dangerous,no cookie thx to the refree,cause fabregas tried to let croatia score.Italy and spain deserved to pass,Cratia racist supporters(they throw bananas and racist louds to Mario Balotelli,+ BUUU louds with italian hymn) better for them to go home

no matter how you put it, Croatia was ripped off 2 penalties, 1 of them nearly at the end of the match, just before the goal from Spain

Al Schlageter 06-18-2012 11:27 PM

The Italians must have paid off the referee. The Italians should rename their team the Swans.

T}{OR 06-19-2012 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jatta Raso (Post 435907)
no matter how you put it, Croatia was ripped off 2 penalties, 1 of them nearly at the end of the match, just before the goal from Spain

Aside the few retarded individuals that support us, we were clearly ripped off in the last two matches. Terrible referees, both german Stark and english Webb.

But from my objective point of view, we should have scored from the opportunities we had. No one can blame us for missing 100% chance vs. Spain last night in 58. (IIRC) minute. 1:1 score would have brought us the 1/4 final.

Osprey 06-19-2012 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZioSam (Post 435904)
Italy now is dangerous,no cookie thx to the refree,cause fabregas tried to let croatia score.Italy and spain deserved to pass,Cratia racist supporters(they throw bananas and racist louds to Mario Balotelli,+ BUUU louds with italian hymn) better for them to go home

Italian and Spanish fans could never be accused of racism could they............:rolleyes:

Regardless of how good Spain are, Croatia played a great game and were denied a definite penalty from the corner just before Spain scored. Italy, also very dangerous. Should England get through the groups we face a tough tough match for sure.

pstyle 06-19-2012 10:35 AM

please, I hope the patch doe NOT get released today.I

I wish to watch the football tonight, and I fear a patch would be a might distraction.

Regards
moi.

Al Schlageter 06-19-2012 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pstyle (Post 435992)
please, I hope the patch doe NOT get released today.I

I wish to watch the football tonight, and I fear a patch would be a might distraction.

Regards
moi.

Watch the football anyways. Let others find out what still doesn't work.

pstyle 06-19-2012 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Schlageter (Post 435996)
Watch the football anyways. Let others find out what still doesn't work.

good strategy! lol.

SG1_Lud 06-19-2012 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by T}{OR (Post 435970)
Aside the few retarded individuals that support us, we were clearly ripped off in the last two matches. Terrible referees, both german Stark and english Webb.

But from my objective point of view, we should have scored from the opportunities we had. No one can blame us for missing 100% chance vs. Spain last night in 58. (IIRC) minute. 1:1 score would have brought us the 1/4 final.

I have to agree with you, and despite the first place, I am not happy with the way we got it. Croatia deserved more, but the game is unfair sometimes. Congrats for your fighting spirit and my respect to your team ;)

McHilt 06-19-2012 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SG1_Lud (Post 436019)
Congrats for your fighting spirit and my respect to your team ;)

Same here, Croatia had a great fighting spirit yesterday, that's the way, full of energy, whole match long. I really had high hopes for them to pass through to the quarter finals. Too bad...

T}{OR 06-19-2012 05:24 PM

Thanks guys. It was a great game last night, when referees are taken out of the equation. :)

pupo162 06-19-2012 05:50 PM

HA! got home!, maybe i will see some football after all!

Bewolf 06-19-2012 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 436059)
HA! got home!, maybe i will see some football after all!

England vs. Ukraine will be interesting. Maybe England can manage the removal of my Osprey sig eventually. Or maybe not :D

arthursmedley 06-19-2012 07:42 PM

England v. Ukraine, half-time.........bluuurghhhhhhhh.......two teams, two goalies, two strikers, twenty defenders.

I think I can now safely predict that neither England nor the Ukraine will win Euro2012:-x

Bewolf 06-19-2012 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by arthursmedley (Post 436076)
England v. Ukraine, half-time.........bluuurghhhhhhhh.......two teams, two goalies, two strikers, twenty defenders.

I think I can now safely predict that neither England nor the Ukraine will win Euro2012:-x

Well, if you expect the worse, you can't be dissapointed. Gives a numb feeling, though. Hope the british players do not share that attitude as long as they are still in the game =)

fruitbat 06-19-2012 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by arthursmedley (Post 436076)
England v. Ukraine, half-time.........bluuurghhhhhhhh.......two teams, two goalies, two strikers, twenty defenders.

I think I can now safely predict that neither England nor the Ukraine will win Euro2012:-x

HA! you couldn't of predicted that before this game?

:-)

Bewolf 06-19-2012 07:51 PM

ENGLAAAAND!!!!!

There, I am the only one rooting for that team.

You guys :D

Bewolf 06-19-2012 07:53 PM

1:0 !!!!

And by Rooney, that had to be the case :D

arthursmedley 06-19-2012 07:53 PM

Rooooooooooooooooney!!!!! Lock up your grandmother, Wayne will be celebrating tonight.:cool:

fruitbat 06-19-2012 07:58 PM

lol, the French are loosing!!!!!

Come on Sweden;)

Bewolf 06-19-2012 08:06 PM

What did just happen O.o

fruitbat 06-19-2012 08:07 PM

Fifa don't want goal line tech do they..... still an unbelievable situation.

mind you Ukrainian was blatantly offside when the ball was played into the England half....

looking at the positives, maybe that fat lawyer in charge of Fifa will get assassinated by some angry Ukrainians.

Bewolf 06-19-2012 08:08 PM

That was one of those goals for the history books


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