MG have not been able to assess this for the past 6 months, and I am quite certain they cannot asses it this time around either. My suggestion for us all is to stop standing on our toes in anticipation for am imminent release and just face facts; words such as "almost", "soon" have no bearing. The patch will be finished when it's finished. I can only feel sorry for the team.. must be hell...

Now you're looking for sympathy for having to work hard?

This is just sad. I think we've all had things go sideways on us at work, but complaining about how hard life is to your customers is usually frowned upon. So is over-promising and under-delivering. Just get the stupid thing done.

Hi Black 6.

Thanks for the news, and for your information. Take your time what you need for the patch ( and team ).

AND ignore the people how make the Cliffs of Dover bad.

Then programming a Simulation and not only a ARCADE Flight Software

---------NEEEEDS TIIIIIME-------------


Thank you for your answer Black Six, and have a nice lloooong weeekend;):):)


Towarisch

There is no doubt the investors and beancounters could step in and stop the project at any moment. There is no chance in the world the developers are purposely fobbing us off, as that would cost the investors money and the developers their jobs. Delaying the release doesn't increase sales, there will be no more sales until the game engine is fixed and the Sequel is released. The sooner thats done the happier everyone will be. Assuming the developer is just screwing us around is just well, screwy.

+1 exactly my point of view

After all honest words of hard work and little improvement.
That´s the way we are all used to it...
I don´t understand why erverybody is so keen on geting a new FM. I think if the guys solve the communication´s problem the sim is o.k. to me. The only thing that shakes me is the fact that I cannot give orders to my wingmen....
After all we have to wait until the dev´s get the thing done. Looking forward to get real improvements.

Keep up the good work guys!

When it comes to product delivery poor quality always gets remembered longer than late delivery.

Have a good holiday

The only thing I can think of, is What the hell is going on inside 1C? This isn't a 1 month or 2 month delay, this has been a YEAR +.

To even let on that the patch was "close" and then yank the chain out from under everyone, is plain bad public relations.

Im no programmer, but I do understand, under promise and over deliver. Something that 1C has down pat, just backwards.

In my profession, there comes a time where enough is enough, and if you dont have a working product after you have failed to meet deadline after deadline after deadline after deadline. You get...........you guessed it.......FIRED.

The only thing keeping you afloat right now 1C is your market (or lack thereof). But don't use that as an excuse to fail repeatedly, at some point your customers will leave. (I fear sooner than later).


Get your fricken act together 1C.

you guys do know that DX11 is dead and you should be using api plugin DX10.1. MS found it to unstable them-selves and released DX11 quickly.

http://gizmodo.com/5368037/directx-1...the-difference

seems to me the issues left aren't big ones, since this is basically a whole new build, not just that, going from dx9 to (more officially) dx10, and since their making it far more multi-core intensive, it makes sense it's taking this long...

personally I'm glad they were willing to tell us most of what they have left to work on, so at least we have some idea how close they are...

issues like white gunsights aren't a big deal, but missing textures and blocky things stand out way too much

Pics/Videos from COD?
 

Thanks for the update and info...

Pics/Videos of the Sequel? I'd rather see some pics/videos from COD with the new Graphics engine....

How about some of those B6?

Frustrating but honest is better than nothing.

Thanks anyway.

E

Better late than never! ;)

Was the best wise decision...make no sense to release an unfinished "buggy" patch.

I'll be still there when time will come :grin:
Good luck with your hard work!

PS: will the AI be adjusted?

Thanks for keeping the lines of communication open, and thanks for giving us the inside scoop on why the beta patch can not be released.


again thanks for communicating

I have been in that kind of cruncher a couple of times, its tough.

Thanks for the update, honest and to the point. And BlackSix, your english has improved a lot ;)

Man. I can not believe how long everything takes with this company. Even a small company would have done alot more then this , I really just think the key people doing the work have no idea.

Thanks for the info, keep doing what you guys are doing and we will have a fantastic patch!

I am sorry to hear the patch is not ready but I think you are making the correct decision by holding off.

thnx for the update, have you tried having 64 players vs 64 AI craft in any of your tests?

Thanks for the update B6 and team.

It seems that whenever you fix something it just causes newer problems. It must be very frustrating.
Good luck with it.

here ya go..and i think you will like the new sounds aswell;):-P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYsLvdSmKQI

Thanks for the info, at least we're not in the dark and sat wondering what is going on.

Because they both go hand in hand. Modellers work on the sequal, coders work on the errr code for the engine. two different jobs entirely. Takes as long as its takes to get it spot on.

Because they are re-coding the engine, not changing the graphics.

ehh no. we payed them so they could have a future and thus make what they want whilst we wait around like idiots 12+ months for a fix for somthing that should not have gotten anywhere near retail market place. illegal non working game thats what clod is.

check the dev sniggering behind his desk void from having to account for himself!

patch
 

dang! yep, too many bugs to let it through at this stage. i am confident that the "Clod" series will be a flight sim masterpiece at some point. unfortunately, masterpieces are not produced overnight.

Not "we" kimosabe! You maybe, but I've spent the last year enjoying flying the COD.

I been spending my time exploring the highly detailed environment. Nap-of-the-earth flying in COD is probably the best low level flying in any combat air Simulation bar NONE. When I get to turn the trees up a few notches it will be enven better! I've been getting my butt kicked big time on ATAG (Just getting my bullet shreaded plane back on the field is a major victory for me :) ) I suppose they don't call us the Fifteen minuters for nothing.

Through the help of the very positive and supportive elements in our community I've been able to enguage in ground attack missions using the Blenhiem, getting right out of my comfort zone, but have gained a real feeling of accomplishment being able to get my bombs on target and if i'm really lucky get home in one peice.

I very sorry for you that you feel you've been wasting your time with COD. Lifes too way too short too waste. I hope you find something you enjoy doing and can immerse yourself in.

This is what worries me. Il2CoD graphics engine is not optimized. They optimize the graphics engine so framerate doubles.... All the things that slowed the graphics engine down are now porked. They're going to fix all the graphical problems one by one. By the time it's all fixed we'll have the old framerates back. To be honest, if that's the case I'ts cool with me aslong as the stutters and slowdowns are gone. Thanks for the update.

I wonder if it's the DX10 or D9 version that's giving them headaches. Maybe time to abandon the legacy systems and concentrate on the future. This trying to cater to the common denominator is hobbling progress.

Thank you Brother
 

Listen I would have been really upset if you did put the patch out with all those known issues. I just wanted to say I feel your frustration and I respect and appreciate the update, It is what it is and once you exorcise the demons that are possessing it right now I know this will truly be the best combat fight sim to date and for years to come. So thanks for the update I'm sending you positive energy and thoughts and feel this will all be worth the wait.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2P86C-1x3o

Thanks for the update!
I hope the patch will not match the marriage of a good friend, the release of Duke Nukem`3 or the end of the world!

Just kidding, keep up the work!

Just asking: is this kind of posting legit in this forum? Very harsh attacks on fans and developers alike.

while i agree with you about the catering to the LCD, it would be impossible for them to remove support for direct x and thus everyone who uses win xp, (which used to be me up until the end up December of last year) At this point with the game box saying you can use Win xp (sp3) when someone new comes along installs the game and steam updates it to the latest patch, and all of a sudden the game is longer supported for win xp....its just a big fiasco...

In fact just looking at the game box, direct x 9.0c is mentioned three times in the system requirements...that would be pretty bad and akin to false advertising...they would have to produce stickers and mail them out to the retailers and manufactures to put over the old requirements change the package...but you would also have alot of customers who are essentially cheated out...

Since the sim is marketed as being compatible with DX9 and 10, it would probably break a whole stack of consumer laws to render those "legacy" systems unsuable with CloD.

Interesting thought, but highly unlikely, their investors would have pulled the plug along time ago if that was the case.

The most worrying thing about this update is they still havent got DX9 to work? Really? DX9 is outdated.

Reading this update screams to me that this patch will be a long way away from release.

Not necessarily so. Imho debugging is like hitting a big stone with a hammer. You hit it for 100 times and nothing happens, the 101st time the stone breaks up.

Have a nice weekend!

It's not anything to to with B6 , but I think the information the devs tell him to tell us is just so we shut up for another week. How did they go from saying the patch will be out in a few more days with everything running well to a list of new game stopping bugs.

I think they just tell us what we want to hear.

Interesting.....I thought everybody wanted to hear the patch is ready and released.

That's so much better knowing exactly what they are working on. Now we can share the understanding and not fret over unknowns. It would be important to get those issues corrected before release, I agree. Still wanting to spend my $ on buying CoD, but holding back until it's done.

Well, I just hope the DEVs realize that almost whole market interested in The Sequel already bought CloD and will REALLY think twice about putting their money on the table until CloD is in usable state. I know I will.

The news are in fact good news, for these reasons:
a) There is big change in general attitude of PR. From cocky to humble. You learned a lot about dealing with angry customers.
b) It is written in English, which as well shows respect to customers (previous messages came across as "look, we couldn't be bothered to hire a person who can write proper English". Kudos to B6 for learning quickly).
c) It does not make false promises.

I'm happy with that.

Anyway, my advice - think small, bite smaller bites. Fix one thing in a month. Ship it. Fix other thing. Ship it.

Is hurricane radiator wrongly initialized? Fix it. Ship it.

Regular (however trivial) updates once a month are better then one year of promises of The Patch. You chose reliable update delivering platform (Steam) and not taking any advantages of it.

I'd rather bitch about having to update AGAIN then about not being able to update at all.

Thanks for the good honest update nobody can complain about that. The only thing I would like to know, if it's at all possible to answer it right now, is will the list of problems you mention be serious enough to put the patch on hold for months? I see that you have said: "However long it takes" and this is why I think it may not be a straight forward fix, but I know nothing about programming. I know it would be silly to give time frames in here, but just saying it's going to take quite sometime nobody can argue with that. Thankyou!!

Agreed, it's beta and we know those problems, i can live with those problems and happy if they are fixed in official patch :grin:

The whole point people miss with this one is the is no sequel without a 'working' engine, there is no suggestion of the sequel being sold before the COD patches because the patches are what is intended to make a 'working' engine, there has been 'no' suggestion that the sequel will have to be purchased to get the COD patch, but the sequel 'will' bring extra features to COD as a merged instalation....hopefully the dynamic weather everyone wants etc.

+ 1

Of course..... you can type the above till the cows come home..... there will still be those who don't get the point. :D No fixed Cliffs of Dover = No sequel. Just as there will always be those out there who will never grasp the fact that it would be disastrous to force 3D Modellers or mission designers to fix code. :D I imagine some of the people on this forum waiting for a bus and, when the bus doesn't turn up on time, haranguing the nearest street sweeper and asking him why he isn't driving them to their destination. :D

"Excuse me, Ambulance driver! I've been waiting for this Big Mac for 20 minutes and now my fries have gone cold!" :D

Thanks mate. Great vid.
What type of Spitfire is it? (Mk Vb ore Mk IX)? Sorry I am not a pro...

Freycinet said:

>>Just asking: is this kind of posting legit in this forum? Very harsh attacks on fans and developers alike. <<

Good point. I think it falls below the high standards set by youself and others, here and elsewhere. If only more would follow your example, there would be much less nonsense on this forum.

Bongodriver:

>>The whole point people miss with this one is the is no sequel without a 'working' engine, there is no suggestion of the sequel being sold before the COD patches because the patches are what is intended to make a 'working' engine, <<

Nicely put. If only more people knew where they were going wrong!

>>there has been 'no' suggestion that the sequel will have to be purchased to get the COD patch<<

Absolutely no suggestion. Correct, again.

>>but the sequel 'will' bring extra features to COD as a merged instalation....hopefully the dynamic weather everyone wants etc.<<

That's good. Many people have started to doubt the process after the length of time involved, and re-assurances liek this,w ith accurate predictions, are just what this forum needs to 'settle the troops.'

Respectfully, perhaps a Mod might consider turning your posts into a Sticky, or at least gathering them all into once place. Liek Chivas, you seem to have the knack of knowing what's going on at any given time, and it would make a useful reference point for those looking for the main facts from a single source.

We appreciate the energy that you and a few others are putting into all your posts. Please do not think it goes unnoticed by the silent majority.

Thanks Ben, your new found support is great, perhaps you could share the process involved that gave you the massive jump in I.Q. to some of our less fortunate whin.....I mean members.

You realize you're a bit unfair to BlackSix who is from Russia and was initially tasked with liasing with the russian community only? Who admitted he needed an online translator to understand what we say right in one of his very first posts here? Who is, according to his own words, not working with the programmers but does his own work for the yet to be announced sequel and therefor needs to be given information by luthier so he can post anything?

Hell, Germany has a foreign minister whose english is an abonimation and an embarrassment to my nation! And you complain about not-so-perfect English used for posting news on a flight sim message board? ;)

I will try if it would help....? After all, we do not want people left with a misguided impression of where things stand. That would only undo some of the many hours of hard work put in by some of the more frequent posters, and it would be a shame to see such energy go to waste. Let's capitalise on what we have, and build, build, build....

Exellent

Many people don't need help with the "misguiding", they manage to do that fine on their own. It would do wonders if people read what was written instead of what they want to read or stop posting knee-jerk replies when things don't match their expectations. That would go a long way in pacifying this board without throwing out bans like confetti on a carnival parade. :)

Bongodriver: there we are then, joined in a positive plan of action.

Please do not think it rude if I point out, respectfully, that 'exellent' does, in fact, contain a 'c'.

Thus: 'excellent.'

(A minor blemish on an otherwise spotless record)

Maybe tinsy winsy bit unfair. Call me a grammar nazi.

It was not meant against B6, but more against how 1C chose to represent itself on forums and I stand behind my point. I'll edit my previous post to convey the message better.

On the other hand, I was quiet when it was horrible, now, when it got MUCH better, I felt obliged to say it is appreciated and how it felt before.

Oh I'm sorry for that Ben, I am embarrassed to have to admit from a previous post I mentioned the possibility I have mild dislexia, the truthfull shame is it is true, as you can imagine it is a heavy cross to bear in the presence of such admiring people.

Well, under the current publishing-deal it would have to be Ubisoft who deals with the international customers. Call me a cynic but I actually prefer 1C's not-really-perfect english to Ubisoft's slick and polished but essentially meaningless PR platitudes. ;)

Well, pick your poison :)

Sounds enormously frustrating, being so close but yet having the product so visually buggy. Another week won't kill us, and thanks for filling us in on what the issues are. Bad news is much better than no news. I had a go on CloD yesterday, first time in a long time, and I'd forgotten how immersive the game is, how beautifully rendered the cockpits are, and how friggin' annoying the stutters are. With a slicker graphics engine (and the rest) the game's going to be simply superb.

Gotta love everyone patience. But it wont be a week , two weeks or a month. It'll be a few months away going by the sound of it before the patch will be out - most likely followed very quickly by the expansion.

Yeh I agree this is more realistic and the advantage of posting the truth of the matter to users. We can set realistic expectations and give it more time than a it should be here next week type of judgement.

Bongodriver:

>>Oh I'm sorry for that Ben, I am embarrassed to have to admit from a previous post I mentioned the possibility I have mild dislexia, the truthfull shame is it is true, as you can imagine it is a heavy cross to bear in the presence of such admiring people. <<

While I might cynically doubt the truth of this from others, or think that they might be speaking for effect or sympathy - or be suffering from moral or emotional dyslexia - all such doubts are pushed aside when I see your name attached to the post. How brilliantly you overcome your impediments, without rancour or bitterness.

it's true I havn't been as open about my condition like raaaid perhaps, for this I am ashamed.
does this mean were not friends any more? I will get a full check from a doctor if you like, just please don't leave me.

Thankyou for the update Blacksix, personally I do not believe promises broken for good reasons are anything to be ashamed of as long as the lesson is taken in stride and stakeholders are duly informed (as you have done).

Life is an uncertain and fallible thing. We should not make it more so. When setbacks occur and are taken in stride under the best of intentions, that to me is worth far more than careless perfection.

Bongodriver said:

>>it's true I havn't been as open about my condition like raaaid perhaps, for this I am ashamed. does this mean were not friends any more? I will get a full check from a doctor if you like, just please don't leave me. <<

Perhaps your help with the community has taken its toll? Perhaps you could see a psychiatrist at the same time as the doctor? As long as you post here, in the manner in which you do, I will be here to help (and in case they doubt my support, I'm happy to extend this to David Hayward, Aces, Wolf Rider, Freycinet, Chivas and others). I believe, as you do, that this forum is a much greater place, with your presence as its chief asset lately.

Falstaff/bongo driver take it to pm please.

Oh thank you Ben, I'm not sure I could have coped without you in my life, I had never considered my symptoms of bad spelling, unreadable handwriting, the family history of the condition as a form of mental illness, unlike most people your ever sharp wits have seen through my general lucidity for the retarded fraud I really am, with your help I'm sure I can fight my way through this.

Forever yours

Bongo x

Thanks for the Info B6, very sad days especially seeing the list.

I have no doubt that you guys will get there in time, but personally I'd like to see less of the "we almost had it this moring but..." type statements, your bug list shows extensively the opposite of almost being ready.

Good luck guys, dont give up.

Sorry uther, was in the middle of writing and didn't see your post.

Noted

thanks for the update..B6
At least we get something.;)

Thx for the update B6.

take your time just please please please fix the boost on the hurri and spits so we can actualy have a fair dogfight.

You know, based on some comparisons between the 109 E series and early spits out there, I don't think it will actually be 'fair'.

If the spit boost is modelled and can be used for fair amounts of time with relative impunity brining the spits effectively up to or beyond the speed of the 109, the 109 will have only its direct injection and dive speeds as advantages.

Unless I am reading the wrong sources.

Where de patch Nacho? :rolleyes:

Lots of promises, wheres the video ?
 

Not sure how to interpret the repeated... we're nearly ready....we have new problems ...we're not ready roller coaster.

In the meanwhile where are the video clips ( bugs are fine ) which give us a feel of what to expect?


Thanks

Update appreciated, correct me if I am wrong. It was my understanding this was to be a " beta " release ? To what degree are the outlined issues to fixed prior to release? The list grows longer as time goes by.

thanks for the update ive only just got back in country from work ,so i can wait a week or two ..lol..but to too long ..hey ..lol

Imagine a world where this passion for fixing everything wrong with the sim was present before we were charged 50 bucks......:confused:

Thanks BlackSix

I'm sure it will be worth the wait B6. Thanks for the update :cool:

Keep up the great work - waiting to join the air war
 

I have been patiently watching the development of COD and I read the forums after every patch release, hoping that the game has all the bugs and glitches fixed. While I wait, I have bought a new PC, bought a second 560 Ti video card, bought a Track IR5 in anticipation that COD will be completely fixed. I am patient and pleased that the developers are continuing to fix and improve COD. Until the game is ready and stable enough that I can persuade my friends to join COD, I will continue to play BF3 and ROF. I expect there are hundreds of gamers like me waiting for COD to be ready so we can purchase. I still believe in the COD team. Keep up the great work.

After 1 year?I start to think that they are not working full time in this COD......will see what happens with next patch!!
Cheers!!!!!

Why wait, it is playing well on my system, and many many others.

Presumably for the AI fix, radio commands fix, CTD in MP fix, fps increase due to engine re-write, etc...

It can run OK for many, but I don't think better hardware will fix most of the programming issues. That said, I bought it twice and I love messing around in it, but as a mostly SP player these issues can be troubling.

These issues are well known on the forum so I may get trashed for saying it, but I am assuming you were asking an honest question and those are the reasons for holding off (that I can think of)... :D

Also, thanks for the update, B6 (so I am not completely off-topic).

Lets talk business, for once: You don't have any patch, do you? This is all delay tactics while the team continues glueing the Addon together, to be sold as: "Full-Feature, including Graphics Rework, AI commands etc. - oh, and a bit of the Battle of Moscow. Includes everything you have wished to be included in CoD for just $49.95. Special Edition available ($69.99)".
Mix in some Il-2-Screenshots and some random graphs off the Internet and your ruse is good to go...
And before you get angry again: Yes, it was a nice gesture to show us some pics of Il-2. It really was... the first three times. Now, the intent is clear.

This has got to be the truth. I could understand it if a single volunteer, amateur software developer who made a little game by himself is late with his updates due to other tasks - BUT you are at least supposed to be a full-fledged Development studio. With programmers, Graphic artists etc. that are supposed to have in-depth knowledge of their matters. How such very trivial tasks such as fixing Radio commands, is beyond your capabilities and is not fixed after 13 months, I cannot understand, whatever explanation you offer. Oh, and repeated "rewrites" of the Graphics engines and consequently falling into deep bug-pits each and every time (well, or probably not, see above) doesn't make the whole picture look any brighter at all, neither in terms of decision-making nor in terms of ability.
I know, Blizzard is waaaaaaay bigger and waaaay better funded, but, for WoW, if any major problem occurs there, they have been able to shove out a hotfix within 24 hours each time. Regardless of the problem. That makes me think.

If anyone is daft enough to buy BoM if this isn't finished well they must have more money than sense.
There's alot of burnt once twice shy.

The engine of CoD is the same as the engine of the sequel, Luthier already told this. So the issues they strive to solve here, are also issues for the sequel. And they already told that they would not be stupid enough to release a new sequel before issuing this patch and hope that a lot of people would buy it.

Amen.

+1

great, just what I thought :grin:

Thx for the update, Black6

don't mind the trolls with their absurd conspiracy theories, they do not represent the majority here.
One can't write this often enough...

Keep up the good work team and be sure of our support!

I personaly think that the fake BLACK_SIX post was not so much fake but i feel they was just testing the water to see the responce from the community.

Agreed 100%

Yes yes yes..

We know!

You and your fellow nay-sayers belive the devs are lying to us..

We get it!

Now give it a rest!

Thanks in advance S!

yes, yes, you'll see! You'll see who is right and who isn't! *screaming while being dragged away*

And this one time I can say it with 100% certainity: The majority has long since left...there is a 'certain bias' with optimism, don't you think?
Just ask the guy with the tinfoil hat. He has the truth in his hands, after all.

edit: Oh, "performance above 7000m" has already been moved to the sequel. 1-0 for me, for now.

ahhhh, i see normal service has resumed.:rolleyes:

There is always a good chance the investors/beancounters could shut down the development at any moment, but our response is the least of their worries if that happens. Infact why would they careless what we think when they've just lost their jobs, and the investors their money.

Such an aesthetically beautiful plane...it's got all the right curves to keep your eyes glued to it's every move!


Cheers to you 1C team...Keep on pushing till you break through!!

No worries!

Thanks for the update, and I think many of us appreciate that you want to make it right before releasing it, instead of releasing it half-done.

what do you like ?


See a panzer to flying at 5000m and incorect smoke but not ctd.

Or you prefer see all well, but ctd every 45 min?.


But thans for the update:grin: