Its just a new and improved way of saying what been said many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many times before... time after time after time after time - just another whinge (to the point where people are just sick of it)

One of the reasons as to why these threads are met with hostility is because there's been so many of them lately. True, he does deserve props for making the vid and having the guts to put it up here, and true, some of his points may have been spot on.

But it still lands on being a whine-post, and many, even those of us that has a level-headed approach to the game and it's flaws/upsides, are quite bloody tired of them.

Just as us whiners are sick of the fanbois posts saying the say thing over and over.
This whole dam subject is boring now...everyone is just....

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By furbs9999 at 2012-03-16

Pretty much, furbs. Pretty much.

Yes, everybody really must quit starting threads callng for patience, it just gives the whiners a reason to whine....oh wait...

If you are going to whine expect to be told you are whining, most people learn to quit as children because the realise they get nowhere by doing it, so very sad to see grown adults who still do it.

I don't understand the personal attacks to Pupo.

I guess one can find as many heroes on the internet as behind a car's steering wheel in a daily urban trip :rolleyes:

There are a good few on here who would insult and label this guy as the 'me, me, me' generation but let's not forget that the very ones who utter this are without doubt the incredibly close-minded baby boomer generation who have taken it all on a plate only to give nothing back. Such comments only succeed in highlighting your oblivious selfishness and greed; little do you realize that 70 EU is a massive investment for the (very few) young that wish to invest in this genre. I'll reserve any further words on this topic.

Too many on here that are simply way too in love with their captors. The exploitation of the community is nothing short of outright extortion. The members of these forums sitting up on their high-horses are what you could almost call suffering from Stockholm syndrome- you're blindly in love with the very ones who are shafting you a new one. Stop this pansy nonsense please and demand at least a working product for the exploitation of the community and theft. That, or please leave your intervening out and let us speak freely to get on with it.

I'm sorry to hear about the fascist behavior of some towards you pupo162.

Quite frankly, if €70 is such a massive investment, maybe flightsims isn't for them. Flightsimming is probably the single most expensive pasttime there is in terms of computer-games, as it usually entails above-average hardware and rather expensive controls and extras (joysticks, throttles, TrackIR etc). Maybe my statement will label me as a babyboomer, but then again, that's the reality of the game. High-fidelity simming has NEVER been something that's inexpensive.

If you bothered to look, there's quite a few of us that are quite realistic about how things are. I'd say that the rabid fanboys are a minority, yet a very vocal one. When you're walking in a forest, don't be suprised that the falling trees are the one you notice best due to the noise.

Interesting word, theft. Let's see what a quick definition of that word is, shall we?

1
a : the act of stealing; specifically : the felonious taking and removing of personal property with intent to deprive the rightful owner of it
b : an unlawful taking (as by embezzlement or burglary) of property

Now, I don't know about you, but I willingly paid for CLoD. And while I'll admit to expecting a playable product (which it is for me now, but was damn near unplayable at launch), in no way, shape or form did 1C or anyone steal the money from me, or unlawfully take it. So accusing them for theft when they merely sold a bad product is rather silly, don't you think? Then again, it's probably all semantics, anyway.

The point is that if you stick your head out here in the way that some have done through excessive whines, rants and threats, they will get their foreheads stamped. Just as those rabid fanboys will. Neither side is any better or worse than the other.

Very true. I still stick around here because it's right now still beyond my imagination that the il2 makers could really go through and shaft us like this, I'm still in denial. Really hope that I'm not wrong but so many have thrown their arms up and have just had enough recently.

Then dont watch it..

Hes got the guts to do something that he feels strongly about instead of trashing this place and getting the same BS responses from people hes done a video..you know what it was about so why the f*k did you watch it? to them bash him about it!? your/were all as bad as one another..

This is a/the forum where that Vid would get noticed by the Devs which was his goal..

none of us here have a right to bash him for what hes done..you don't have to click 'watch'

This is directed at everyone bashing him, not just you Wolf..

Honestly, some of you are pathetic..you talk about 'not taking this game seriously' and 'get a life' you really need to take a look at yourself, and that started when you deemed it ok to first 'bother' to 'watch' his video then feel the need to bash the fella..

unbelievable

Personally I clicked in the video and stopped it 5 seconds later.... Why because it pupo he never posted anything worthwhile and I don't fancy listening to him moan when I have read it before and like I said it wasn't worth reading...

And seriously this equates to having balls, hmmm well posting a video of yourself throwing your toys out of the pram is not what I would call having balls!!! But your entitled to your own opinion.

ze-jamz wrote:
Hard to miss it when it infiltrates most threads

guts? pfffft! its just another whinge

do you really think they still look in?

and you/ et all don't have to press the Submit Reply button either


contradicts your first big paragraph and who's bashing who??

its a whinge thread pure and simple

Yes, the reason why he got attacked is that he did not manage to put up any contructive content prior to posting the video. In the vid, he said exactly the same thing he`s been saying since what......April? He did not even manage to support his opinion with arguments. That was just another rant. To be honest, I`m surprised he didn`t destroy his IL2 CE.

Well the way it is : the whining crowd will eat up and support whatever frustration threads/vids are posted. That is just the way they act. A person who instults the team, spreads false info is called expression of opinion and people who even dare to ask for some backing up for his frustrations are being called fanboys. I don`t see why such attitude should prevail.

Certainly am..So is he

Dont insult him.. there's no need for it, that's all im saying..

He got balls all right, cuz i can guarantee not a lot of outer members here would do that in ref to CoD whether it be positive or negative

he stepped outside the box and posted it in a forum associated with the game where it would get noticed by the Devs..which was 'his' goal

You dont need to concern yourself with it...get over it

Utter tripe.

yup...and its this mentality thats the core of the problem

totally correct... there is no need for insults (and incessant whinge threads, repeating the repeated repeat that has been repeated so often...)

and nooo, the core of the problem is the incessant whinging
Oh, and it (the vid) was a closed by Link only 'tube... not in general release ;)

I have to say that no-one can complain about this post, it's true on all counts.

Regarding 'development', it appears to be like the eternal tomorrow, it never comes.

Number 3 is full of speculation, therefore it can't be "true".

Development takes time... have patience

That's the difference between the "me me me" generation and a mature thinking young man. It would have been easy, but he did not shout his frustration across the internet. He chose the right place and adressed it very personally.

Kudos!

'full' of speculation? are you sure about that

That's great ! May I use this for my signature ?

No I'm speculating about the speculation ;)

+1

Its like were waiting for this game to be released all over again...

Patience indicates maturity (after all, a good cabsauv isn't forced) and we've been hearing so much from the me, me, me'ers (whose following generations indicates to be the mine, mine, mine generation) who whinge, whinge, whinge


@ Icebear... of course you can :)

Thought that was the case, Its a diseases you get from being around here I tell yer ;)

See...Speculating again

observation ze-jamz, not speculation ;)

and speculation on your part?

Tennis anyone

No thanks but I will speculate on who will be winning wimbledon this year :P

Actually Tennis would be too much 'a gentleman's sport' for here...

Ping-Pong then?

Still too gentleman like for this place, a spot of armed robbery with generous GBH would be more suitable for this forum... :lol:

.....mud wrestling ! ;)

Amen!!!

Probably the best description I've seen for these boards.

Then again, it is somewhat entertaining :P

It sure is lol

Ive just realized that presently I'm visiting here more than Facebook..

Its funnier than Status updates thats for sure..

IceBear..your going off the rails a bit there mate...

lets keep it with the 'back n fourth' mentality..hence ping-pong aka table tennis :cool:

Wot?? you wanna play the ball now :) instead of the player?

Hats off to you, well said, i think exactly the same
+1

+1 well said

Hey, would one of the people who has defended that awesome video please write a poem about it? That would be the highlight of the greatest thread ever. Thanks!

Lamenters united!

Exactally

Hes wrote a poem speaking his mind you see..
All those who are labeled 'fanbois' should just let him be
if he wants to vent then he should be allowed
not bashed and slated from this here crowd.

Its hilarious watching some people defend
this here title that is driving some up the bend
You prance around with yer 'police' badge's on too
and try to be-little everyone cuz they have a diff opinion to you.

Being developed,W.I.P and all that we read yes?
Yea nice one, but hasn't this game been released already said Ness.
Anyway one things for sure.
Alot of people are walking out the door.
We wait patiently for the patch for our game
And I couldnt give 2 $hits whos to blame.

Im finished now with this rhyme
As im vastly running out of time
You asked for a poem and 'Jamz' delivered oh yes
to bring some smiles to this forum which is a mess
Im no poet as you all can see
but im here to defend the video cuz thats just me.

Next!........ :)


Originally Posted by Jatta Raso
on another note, yes there's quite a crowd that lingers about just so they can flush their negativity and bile towards ppl pointing out some problems, even if on a repetitive note, but entitled to it, afaik no one's counting words in RL (unless you live on a dictatorship). i think the freedom on this or any forum should always aspire to reflect the freedom of every common individual in RL, as every means of communication should.

think about it: fanboys are nothing beyond intolerant fanatics who resort to an insulting tone often too much, generally pointed at the poster.

this happens because they (somehow) act as if they could approve or disapprove views, that's their key principle; as a consequence, they don't like to see a disagreeing opinion displayed, or the fact that others can display such opinions.

narrowed by this view, usually an inappropriate emotional response follows, mostly a personal attack to the poster's attitude, attempting to denigrate him somehow and inviting similar reactions from similar ppl, rather then to politely debunk the usually logical and fundamented post (lack of politeness always gives away the troll, i'm yet to find a polite one); as generic as it sounds, the more the forum is read, the more it becomes apparent; the fact that it's always the same gang, makes it even more obvious.

under the cover up of promoting positive environment by dismissing the critics (as if it would make any sense), fanboys or anti-whiners create a pervasive pattern of answer/counter answer that they can take on for long long time (usually they have to be stopped).

in fact, to have the word 'whiner' poking so easily every now and then is just another form of trolling and filling this place with negative flux, adding to the general hypocrisy of these double faced guardians of rightness.

but then again they're human; some ppl need to get the frustration out of their minds by virtually bullying others, to make noise so they can get attention, who knows if they can't do it any other way; perhaps they need this, or their heads will pop.. who knows?

may i suggest, take it easy with the morons, speak your mind whenever you feel it's right, and remember take a brake from here 'n' chill out.

so happy flying and happy hunting

Arguably it is the exact opposite of "having balls".

+1

...you wanna marry me ? :oops:

There are no fanboys. We all know the game has problems. We're just tired of the constant whining. Please stop.

Lol David..dont even go there with yer please stop BS..

There 'are' fanbois and whiners..it makes up every single game forum, do you understand that? I guess not

Dont even bother with the 'were tired of the constant whining' card

geez..priceless

Are you a 5'11'' Beautiful busty princess?

No, there really aren't. Every person you call a "fanboy" is on record saying that the game has problems. You're just using imaginary fanboys as excuses to justify the constant whining. And since you're not going to stop, we're probably not going to stop making fun of you.

Admittedly, if there is no shame in making a video where you cry about a video game, we're probably fighting a losing battle.

Make fun of me? rofl ok David, were leave it there

xx

David, I'm sure we are all tired of constant whining, but one year after the release there are only some more or less successful beta patches, lots of promises and TANKS!

Ever had s*x on icebear skin rug ? ;)

Now please get some proof that I ever denied that.

Sounds nice...but

You still need to be female at least

I'm sure you did not cause it's the truth and you know it.

If that is a really serious problem for you, FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO.

And by "SOMETHING ELSE", I don't mean "make a video about why I'm not going to post on the CoD message board", because that's just pathetic.

Sorry, that kind of argumentation is medieval. If not here, where else?

If his answer is a problem for you then FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO

And by something else I mean go and troll in a forum where you actually help people or at least play the dam game

No where. Just stop. They are working on the game. Constant complaining is not going to make that work go any faster.

very well said, but regarding the dev team i still believe they are trying to solve the situation, we'd better not hang them by the tree (no pun intended ;)) just yet..

As of 17.05 GMT today a state of MARTIAL LAW will exist on this forum:

1. All posts MUST be authorised in triplicate from moderators prior to posting.

2. All fanbois will be shot.

3. All whingers will be shot.



Seriously guys, lighten up...and where the bloody hell have all the mods disappeared to. Like bleedin' buses - can't find one when you want him...when you don't need them they're all over the bleedin' place..

yeah right; that single post has all the ingredients of a tumultuous personality disorder, in the correct sequence: denial of reality - attempt to address and bond with reality - badly dissimulated but inescapable reference to suffering - cry for help (it would be funny if not somewhat scary).

self denial is a terrible affliction, that may be the case of a split personality. :rolleyes:

speaking of which: has anyone wondered how come these 2 folks, davie and cargy, disappeared for months in a row and - wonder! - made a simultaneous comeback, always post int the same threads, generally by the same time, always with the same attitude, and never ever writing a single line about their game experience??? might be me and probably is, but isn't it time for an IP check? double accounts are prohibited afaik..

p.s. - take a look:

post#152 [Icebear quotes and answers David Hayward calling him by the name at the start of the sentence]
post#154 [Cargy quotes and answers Icebear's evident post to David Hayward]
hey didn't cargy just answered a post to DH as if it was adressed to him? might be my misunderstanding... or are we getting sloppy already and mixing accounts by mistake???

Your primary opinion is plain wrong, as a "fanboy" by definition would deny that anything is wrong with the sim.

As nobody is doing that here, there are no "fanboys! QED

The other side is the so called "whiners", again nobody can deny that those posts exist where there is only repeated lamenting about well known bugs and expressions of impatience.

Everybody has to decide where he/she/it sees himself and if his/hers/its position is productive or not.

Posting NEW faults, bugs and information is productive, posting known stuff much less so.

i'd like to add that i'm appalled to see members like lobisomem, a fervent defender of CLoD, changing his opinion to a more disappointed one. no doubt that if half the patch works (not like double FPS but a significant increase plus killing the memory leak) then things will get better on the short term.. but ppl isn't just 'making stuff up', there's reasons not to be satisfied right now.

however this and other threads didn't have to go this way; more passionate defenders could try to get these ppl back or at least understand and show a more positive view, like 'ok you go but i'm staying, i have both the patience and time', 'i respect your view but you'll respect mine and CLoD is working for me', things like that.. but coming up with things like 'don't let the door hit you', poking and flattening the poster's intelligence as if he was dumb (a classic trolling with various experts in here) leads to this.

i bet the critic faction loves CLoD more than of most of this self appointed defenders brigade; they criticize because they want to see it get better, and we all how it needs to. if repetition is a tone, than cope with it. it's not like the whole forum is filled to the brim with complaints; again i say: if complaints were treated fairly and with some humor, instead of being dismissed as childish etc, flame threads wouldn't exist.

so who's fueling the flames and for what??

btw cargy and David Hayward, JUST WRITE ONE SINGLE LINE about your gaming experiences, (even Raaaid posted a video of him playing for christ' sake :rolleyes:), troubleshooting, or helping someone, instead of this shooting behind the bushes; you throw rocks and hide the hand...

i'm not answering you directly. i made some sarcasm, that should be obvious; and your logic on this one isn't, by no means, 'unbreakable'.

you know Robtek i didn't like you at first but i'm in no way convinced you're troll, you just care too much (in a good sense) about CLoD, and get easily sensitive and somewhat blindfolded about it; remember that if ppl with good PCs (my case) can have trouble with CLoD, those more mainstream may have a nightmare. i think you just happen to side with the wrong jerks; if you don't like flame wars, there are ways and ways to avoid it.

and if i'm wrong about this, my bad.

So your saying Luthier has acknowledged every single bug posted here?

I would say 1 post by 1 person isn't enough. You may be intimate with every bug because your here constantly, Luthier and his team are not.

As far as the fanboi definition goes, if everytime you see a new person post a known bug you get filled with rage and need to deliver a beatdown right away with your keyboard, you are a fanboi.

If everytime you see someone post a bug more then once you have to grab the kleenex to wipe the tears and personally attack this menace to the community, you are a fanboi.

It doesnt bother me seeing bugs posted multiple times, it increases the chance said bug will be fixed. Nobody knows exactly which bugs the devs are working on, so don't say their working on it when you don't really know. The more people that post bugs they are experiencing, the more the devs will realize it needs attention. Let's face it, they are not going to fix every bug, just the ones that have caused the most uproar.

Exactally

Exactly.

I use the sim a lot. But after some time the "missing" features and bugs, bad performance... all these don't let me evolve more into the sim.

Now i'm waiting for FOREVER to some patch that maybe never come. We have a LOT of porblems to be solved, and the fact that the graphics engine is so bugged that people need to rebuild the thing is shocking...

And we had all the lies: i was a "fanboy", but i remember all the LIES about performance issues: AE filter, "pseudo fullscreen"... Now we all know that the original graphics engine is so bugged that now we are all waiting for this new patch...

And now the lack of DECENT comunication with the dev team...

Really... how can i be a fanboy these days?!?!?!?!

;)

we all do

problem is... your "tone" has become a cacophony

Its hard to get through any thread without a complaint infecting it

Complaints in themselves, yes, should be treated fairly... the same with critiscism. You're quite correct there... but when complaints and critiscism turn into something nasty (which they have been) how should that be dealt with??

see the above point.

Yawn

Wel i feel cheated BY 1C also, misleading advertising is just wrong.

yes, development takes time.. as well as earning money takes work..

so, as a sign of respect, can a developer not ask for money before finishing the development of a product? or, a least, can it be open and sincere about it, and say "we have to sell you this work in progress product, otherwise we're out of business. please help us and pay for beta, or pre-order the sequel."? and then, as a quid pro quo for the help received from customers, be open about the development process required to push that helped product towards a finished product (as it was already pre-paid)?

some people around does not seem to grasp the fact that this is NOT about money, NOT about a little hobby, NOT about time, but about RESPECT.

you do not xxxx from where you eat! that's how the saying goes.. right?!!

Agree

First off, you are lying about my posts. You didn`t even take a minute to review them as they are available over at my login page. Because if you did, you`d see that I clearly talk about how to get coops running and how could ground combat be implemented to CloD. Finally, one of my last posts is about how disappointed I am with the game. The simple conclusion is that you are making things up to suit your agenda. And what is that? Discredit me because I do not approve when the likes of you insult BlackSix and the developer team.

And for the record. Back in fall of 2011 I was asked by a mod to refrain from posting after the first whiner wave. I responded with a 4 month absence. And unlike the 3 guys that announced a big exit and returned no more than 3 hours later, I kept my word.

Quote:

post#154

That is interesting. Why do you think that one shouldn`t be able to reply to a post not directed at him? Am I breaking the forum rules again?

You maybe talking about respect you show daily towards the development team? Insulting? Misinformation? Spreading bad attitude?

Double standards mate.

I don't think you ever saw or heard me insulting the dev team. Or misinform anyone about anything IL2CoD related.

as regarding the "spreading bad attitude".. sure, I am guilty of that, if you and your likes consider talking about the truth as the above mentioned third sin.

and.. what about you? where's your respect towards me? Why are you actually misinforming, instead presenting proof when you're accusing someone of misinformation? and in the end, what about you bad attitude spreading (fanboism, hate towards fellow forum mates, and so on)?

you should consider looking into mirror first, then talking about the others..

Ok fair.


Now can I ask you to be coherent with your own words and edit that post carguy?

Do you all think it makes sense to dicuss this fanboy/whiner thing? When I take a look at "adonys IL2CoD official development timeline/info/patches" everybody who is still in here must be a fan! All others already left..... :(

Well, since I already got an infraction for that, there is no such necessity, is there?

Well is up to you, but the offense remains visible. For me the fact that you received an infraction point doesn't help it. I didn't report it BTW.

Again, lots of personal attacks. People are allowed to have opinions, both for and against, but when it gets personal it is unacceptable.