Thanks Luthier for the update ! I just reinstalled Windows 7 64 bit mainly because I upgrade my old WD Raptors HD with 2 Corsair F60 SSD mounted in raid. With a fresh installation of the game and got a huge improvement performance with the game. Almost no stutters or freezes.

The Spit is undermodelled. In fact the real world stats are out on most aircraft. The Hurricane can outclime the Spitfire 1 & 1a very comfortably.

Instead of bemoaning everything do some tests.

Excellent work Luthier and send the team my thanks

information-update...
 

...good news thanks, ....
:)
but why was your office space half empty at the beginning?

Let me guess, - the space was originally planned for some beta-testers but then the company in the homeland of lost socialism had the great idea to just not hire any in order to pay tribute to the main capitalist doctrine "maximise your profits and keep your costs as low as possible".
So there was a cunning plan conceived. Let`s bring out a f...-up alpha version of the sim on official release date and let the customers do the beta-testing.
:twisted:

...just kidding, am I not?
:mrgreen:

awful joke if you are.

awful post if you aren't.

Pluto,should'nt you be at school?

Maybe the Hurricane is overmodelled?

Insuber, you know better sir.

The only aircraft that currently hit their real world numbers, or even come close are the Hurricane and the Spitfire IIa, and in the case of the IIa it doesn't really matter because no one will put it in a plane set.

Even the lowly Fiat G.50 cannot hit even it's pathetic real world performance.

This isn't a Red vs. Blue thing, even though there are those that are trying very hard to make it that.

It's about having a simulation that actually simulates the real world performance of the aircraft involved as accurately as possible.

Give the planes their real numbers and let the chips fall where they may.

That is all that should matter.

You're no Tree.... that's for certain.

thanks for the update

... never intended to be one ...

Just read the thread from start to finish. It's no wonder Luthier doesn't do updates, who can blame him? There's always a few bellends about, like Pluto here, who are willing to make braindead comments which add absolutely nothing. To respond to them, as Oleg used to, simply digs the hole further and wastes even more development time. The sad thing is that posts from these morons rubs off on the rest of us.

Here here!

And besides that not to long ago they moved to larger offices.
Anybody who reads this forum regularly would know this.
Then anybody in his right mind will not move to a to small workspace.
So they had room to spare and have hence filled that.
Good for them.
So this sim wasn’t finished on delivery, but the developers are at work to remedy that.
That they will is evident as they did the same with their last product.
A product so strong that it is still actively played off- as well as online, a rarity after so many years after release.
And to all you nai sayers, they stood by that product for a long time.
Now they have stopped support but there is a strong third party developing that now.
Yes I paid the high price to standby the developer, I strongly believe that if we wouldn’t have done that then this sim would be in a sorry state, so I see it as a long term investment, when this sim goes along the same path as the last then it would prove to be a very good investment as well.
So wine along and don’t look back keep asking for what you want need or must have for you to endorse the sim.
For my part all the whiners deserve a lolly so they can be kept sweet.

Cheers,

Niels

I'm going to do whatever i can to support this game... if you want to support the devs, just send in your crash dumps and keep letting the devs know their appreciated, and give them the time and space they need to make a quality product... the more you tell them to hurry up, the more chances they'll make even more mistakes... don't rush them... i got another 40 years or so before my simming days are done so i'll wait.

Yes, we should ignore nonsense like that and anything else that isn't to the benefit of the CoD development.

I don't mean ignore genuine complaints clearly explained or first disappointments expressed in reasonable language but all those diatribes and trolls, don't fall for them. 'Ignore' is your friend.

Me too... had to have genes tested, she's a runner ;-)
Congrats

Thanks for the update team, please go out and have a drink at least one night one weekend.

As for the P.C specs in signature why? someone next week will have something better. is it boasting or am i missing the point?
have a pretty good spec... i'll leave you wondering ;-)

The point is when reporting bugs or problems other forum members can see the system specs immediately and offer advice.

Also if members have a smooth running error free CoD its easier too see what system specs are making it.

It's not meant as bragging.

El,

My dear friend, why do you think that I disagree with your statements about having an accurate sim, or the impartial nature of FM flaws? The "maybe" in my post was real irony, since I have not seen yet a single test for any CoD plane vs. the historical performance. If you have them I will be glad to give them a thorough read.
Among my many defects, I'm a rationalist and I use to run away from qualitative statements, as it is saying that A is undermodelled or B is overmodelled.
On the other hand we can comfortably say that the Hurri has a speed and climb advantage on the Emil, which was not the case back in 1940.
We can also say that the Emil can continue to fly without 2/3 of the right wing, as it happened to me last week on ATAG. And also that full speed dives on the Emil followed by a strong stick pull never do the slightest damage to the frame. And you can list many other flaws. Therefore, in this complete FM mess, I would be *very* surprised that the Hurri or any other plane is "close" to the real performances, in terms of climb rate, ceiling, top speed, stall speed, Vne, turn rate etc.

Ah btw I couldn't care less about the "blue vs red" thing.

have fun,
Insuber

Thanks for the clairification Insuber. We really don't disagree here, well perhaps on the speed of the Emil, as I have never been able to catch one in level flight, though from a position of height advantage I have, but only for a short time.

See you in the virtual sky soon.

S!

...nice, nice, ... ok, that`s your opinion,... to everyman his own opinion.
You keep yours, I keep mine. This is not a sympathy contest, so I actually dont care what you guys think about my comments. This is a public forum with very different opinions of very different people who have sometimes only one thing in common, their passion for "good" WW2 flightsims. So let`s keep it that way.
:|

Turkey day here in the states..but no such thing in mother Russia..maybe we will have some news on performance rates and the system specs upon which the game is being tested..that being said..Happy Thanksgiving all..and keep em
flying!:-P

Friday! :D

Thx for the update,

But why always the allies planes first to be looked at and no love for the axis planes :confused:(Emil,G50)

Come on man this whole sim tries to force you to fly Red, even down to having the only half accurate FM be for the Spit II.
Its just the way it is.

Update luthier Please!!!!

New information from sukhoi.ru

This is not SDK.

I didn't get it.

Is the patch not necessary, or is it the high probability? :confused:

Google translator does a terrible job with Russian, but, my gut is telling me that a beta will not be necessary and it will go "gold" out of the gate.

But then I have no real info on it so maybe it just means he had a good lunch at the office.

What makes you think that? He just happened to show a photo of the guys looking at the Spitfire pilots notes. I expect he'll have been working on the 109s' too.

Lmao

Thanks for the info podvoxx

"......Continuing to work on all fronts. The graphics reload has finally reached a sufficiently stable alpha state. Public beta is within reach....... "

Exactly talk about jumping to assumptions... Jeeze!!!

Thank you sir.

Now another 3 weeks till it hits release status.

I hope he had a good lunch though...

:grin:

I thought they were Hurricane Mk.II pilot notes. :grin:

What puzzles me is why are they looking at the Spit pilot notes?

They included them in the special edition of the game, surely they looked at them then, before they sold us the game?

Not everyone has eidetic memory.

You ol' tease witch. :)
We know they didn't get it right and I suspect there are a few new dev team members digging into it.

They didn't look at them too closely, my copy has Section 1 paragraphs 19-25 an 37-39 repeated twice. Don't think any pages are missing.

no news ;(

No Gnus is Good Gnus with Gary Gnu
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ACgL4IoYkD...600/images.jpg

Still no news? good grief Charlie Brown...

hope we get a update tomorrow :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :!::!::!::!::!::!:

you bet..

Alll I know is..if Im Charlie Brown..I'm not letting Lucy talk me into charging to kick that football tomorrow...or anytime soon ;) I'll hold it..and SHE can kick it to me this time!:-P

Luthier...it's Friday...time to deliver.

Delivered.....

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...1&postcount=64

Cheers Klem. 2 weeks, be sure :cool:

[QUOTE=klem;366609]Delivered.....

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...1&postcount=64[/QUOT

Seriously I think this translates into "this is going to be a lot more complex and time consuming than we expected....so dont call us..we will call you"....safe to say..shelve the game for 6 months..and revisit the issue...if anyone REALLY thought they were going to optomize and redo the entire graphics engine in a month..or even two..they been smoking something funny. If they couldn't with ALL that time get it right the first time..what leads one (us) to believe a new polished engine was going to suddenly appear in no time... ? Were it that simple..it would have been done right the first time...so. seriously to all those people who are complaining "please make the stuka radiators open faster" and "ohhh I cant seem to turn my gun turret at the correct speed" I think those issues are a long time off from being dealt with..first thing is get the game running well enough for those of us whose systems..LIKE MINE...are way above what is required OR recommended for the game. I didnt pay 50 dollars to buy a game that would play beautifully on a machine I have to spend 5k for or that is 5 years from being graphically available. Trusted IL to deliver a good product like their other wares....but ignored my gut which said "read the forums and see what people are saying"....which I need to do in the future..before I pay 50 for a game that is now selling for 12 and requires me to update my 570 geforce that should run the game FINE and spend 600-800 for ANOTHER card with more ram to get decent FPS? That's just nonsense. Take a look at my pc specs below and tell me "where I went wrong" in building this rig? HAD the game said 'requires a minimum of 2gigs of vram' then at least I could have planned accordingly..however the specs set on the box and advertising for this game were just a fantasy..I've got more than enough processing/ram/video power that this game should run WELL on HIGH settings..yet..it doesn't..Im tired of ranting.but Im also tired of developers pushing half finished products out the door which they charge full price for and know that it still requires "major work" and they will fix it up down the road after the cash has rolled in..and the fact that some guy has gotten quad sli or some such silly thing to run the game well is also ridiculous...how many decent graphics card does one need to have this sim work properly?
??

agreed!

[QUOTE=ingsoc84;366651]Unproductive ranting! Imo.

If you're tired of that don't buy the product until you have read the reviews, or until everyone else has beta tested if for you. Problem solved.

[QUOTE=robtek;366675]Its old news but I guess anyone slapped in the face with our disappointment of CoD as released has the right to say so once. Mind you his rig should run it fine at High settings with Forest, SSAO and Grass off and buildings at Medium (same card as mine) although I'm only running 1680x1050.

Anyway philip.ed, I'm thinking more along the lines of "two months, be sure".

[QUOTE=robtek;366675]Ranting is never productive...however...do you have any other solutions or opinions as to why the game runs poorly on machines exceeding sys requirements, or do you just like to flame? Unproductive comment on your part!Now..if you'd like to Western union me 700 US that WOULD be something productive on your part which might improve game performance, however, since you have no other "constructive" help to offer..my "unproductive" ranting is nor more or less productive or unproductive than your comments...so each his own.

Could you post in the tech help section with the issues you are having please ingsoc84. There are a lot of tweaks you can try, to improve performance. I am playing CoD, online, with the specs you see in my sig, and other than the current CTD bug, am having a lot of fun. Link to the sub forum here:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/forumdisplay.php?f=195

[QUOTE=robtek;366675]Agreed, but true.

Agreed....

per ardua ad astra (and all that).

[QUOTE=ingsoc84;366687]Robtek he has a point and he is allowed to say it how he see's it.

You could offer him some advise since you do love this sim so much at its currant state.

Sorry rob but that how I see it.

O_Smiladon

Dare you say anything about the sim when ol rob is about, your not allowed..

I feel the pain of that man and he's completely right in everything he says, regardless to wether its productive or not he can say what he wants and has every right too imo.

Same ol white horses riders coming to the rescue still and the same ol bs about you should of let people report back to you before you purchased the game. Lmao

Cuz that's what us gamers do isn't it, we never go by adverts,promotional videos,clips,forums etc etc when we buy our games and cue up for our long awaited releases..nope we have to wait untill it's old or visit forums 2 months down the line to find out if it's safe to buy or not.

I think were talking about flight simmers here.

A different breed from gamers.

A different approach to their hobby.


Anyway..................

Back on topic everyone !!




.

He still got a point though the game came out with so many bugs and expectations... and no Su26... it's just terrible to see its still not there yet and it's been quite a few months already.

As to what Ze-Jamz said, wait until it's old... that's why the computer capable to run that thing full graphics (and 3D) doesn't exist yet :D !!! That way it will take quite some time to age.

He has a point, ok, but nothing new and exciting, except for him.

As Uther said, there are threads which might help with technical problems, not here, though.

No sim, planned for longer use, will run with all bells and whistles on actual computers.

I have no problem with the game, lost interest lately cuz it's the same thing all the time and was getting boring..only 2 servers I play in and the CTD thing was getting on me nuts, so I've shelved it waiting for the next patch...

Just annoys the hell out of me when someone wants to vent and they get jumped on by the same ol people, too add to their pain they now have to use a shyte translator to find out the future of the release cuz nothing is posted in here..

Alpha I don't understand why being a simmer has anything to do with it?..are you saying simmers wait to get feedback before buying games and are unlike say a FPS gamer who would cue up all night to be first through the door?

I don't agree with that mate, especially when you know who and have trust in the developer? Not to mention the countless screenies, notes, videos etc you've been subject too....in fact I wouldn't say there are that many people at all who would after such a long wait would say "actually nope I don't trust my trusted developer with this one, il hold on for a month while everyone else enjoys it to see if it's runs ok or does actually have said content".....come on.

Like you said its going off topic but that line about you should of waited, you had a choice is a lame excuse to cover up the wrongs..

Its just going around in circles though Jamz. If someone new comes here, and vents, or has issues with CoD, then thats understandable if they have not read all that has gone before. If they have technical problems, like the customer above seems to have, they can be pointed to the correct sub forum where they could find an answer. Thats a helpful thing to do. Nobody should be labelled a whiner, or a fanboi, or anything else. It just inflames things and it has to stop.
People that have been here a while know the situation, and continuously arguing from either side serves no purpose, and in my opinion drives others away from the forum. My view is thats not fair on them as they are customers too.

Exactly.

But the bucks stop with the devs Uther, the sim isn't good enough with many many problems and the commutation is still way below what should be expected.

90% of the moans and groans would stop if the sim worked as it should.

Point is I'm sure they know that Furbs, and arguing about it all the time serves no useful purpose, and just puts people off coming here.

Anyway , heres me hijacking the thread!
As Alpha said, back on topic everyone. :)

Of course it makes sense! were human and simmers...the worst kind of moaners and anti moaners on the interwebby. :)

Agreed..

I'm only on about the "you should of checked first" gang and saying that that excuse is a load of tosh and we as gamers don't and shouldn't have to do that..we are gamers you and I whichever sub category you wanna put us in it still stands :)

I wasn't doing the whole "this game sux/this game rox" routine so apologies if it came across like that. Think I've proved through hours played my views on this "future" masterpiece

I don't know about you guys, but I'm very close to giving up hope on this game. I remember people saying that it will take around 6 months before all of the kinks are ironed out. Well we are a few weeks away from starting a new year and it is still broken IMO. I am still looking forward to the next patch, because it is supposed to be the big fix. After that, if it still runs like crap, I will be done with this game. I would say that it's not a very good sign when the game is selling for 12 dollars.

There is little debate that the release version was a shambles but there have been steady updates and improvements. The team is also starting to work on the Battle of Moscow and although there are undeniably many things that still need to be fixed in the current release this is a good sign for the future viability of the series. I wouldn't give up hope yet...

The sim was taking this long for a multitude of reasons and it was never likely that it was going to be completed six months or even a year after its forced early release. Unfortunately there seems to be something else other than bugs delaying work with the next patch. Thankfully its rumored the delay isn't terminal, but what else can go wrong, with this development. I've almost lost interest with gaming, so my patience level is still high, but I understand how others could get antsy. Although its still counterproductive to vent.

Yes..they are working of a new Battle of Moscow add on so they can charge money and increase their bottom line..that is obvious...they are in business to make money..not necessarily make people happy. Were they really wanting to make COD impressive and get the patch out.they would focus on that...instead of other revenue generating streams in this same genre...but.thats how things are done..I wont buy the add on period..until Im convinced the CLOD as promised performs up to standards..those that can play the game fine as is will buy it.those that can't.should hold off..otherwise your just throwing you money down the drain from what I see. Why would anyone take another chance on this..if the bugs are not ironed out in a prompt fashion? Seems silly.

No need to take a chance, just wait. But remember that in this business making people happy and making money are the same thing. The dev team would undoubtedly know they have lost the confidence of many and need to make things better before another purchase.

Jim..normally I would wholeheartedly agree with you that making people happy and making money are the same thing..however, that is Western thinking..remember 1C is a Russian software company. Having lived in Russia two years..done business there..owned property, I can assure you that is not how 99 percent of Russian companies think, they just have not adepted/developed that mind set yet..its sad but true. In my 2plus years living there..shopping there.buying expensive items, shopping at HIGH END stores etc, I can tell you the ONLY satisfying customer experience I had there was at McDonalds, and that is no joke. Russia has taken to capitalism like a duck to water, but has yet to develop the western customer satisfaction notion, it is wholly foreign to them, they simply lived too long under a system in which it was "take it or leave it" and they still do business that way, honest Russians will admit this, as well as those who have done business there. That is why Im not as convinced they will strive to "make us happy", its not in their business toolkit.

This is a lot of words that could summed up with one. Spoiled.

S!

Well, today Luthier will answer a list of questions and maybe pop in some extra info? Also the video gave ideas why CoD is not that simple to just fix due it's structure etc. So I will just wait and see how the future patches improve the game :)

And on that note...