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IvanK 10-03-2011 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lane (Post 343153)
IvanK: The Inspection and Test Certificate posted by Kwiatek is taken from Aeroplane and Armament Experimental Establishment’s report on Spitfire II P.7280, Merlin XII - Rotol Constant Speed Airscrew, Comparative Performance Trials, First Part of A.&.A.E.E./692,e dated 27th September, 1940. You will note that the rated power listed matches that of a Merlin XII. I always assumed "Mark III" on the Certificate was a typographical error.


Thanks Lane, I have that report in full. All other pages refer to the engine as Merlin XII. The AVIA ref for this report in the UK National Archives is AVIA 18/1574
I am with you Lane, I think it refers to Merlin XII, the Merlin III looks like a typo on that single page

Kwiatek 10-03-2011 08:25 AM

Hmm interesting so you got IvanK linkl for these report?

I got also such documents for 12 lbs limitation of Merlin III:

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/ap1590b.jpg

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1pn2-a.jpg

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1-109e-eng.jpg

But i think most know these documents.

IvanK 10-03-2011 10:49 AM

12lbs Boost was available to both the Merlin III and the Merlin XII (running 100 Octane) when Boostcutout was activated. In the case of the Merlin III a couple of mods were also required to allow 12Lbs Boost. This has been debated at length in the forum.

Only the Merlin XII had the +9lbs limit Full throttle. (Boostcutout not activated)
The Merlin III Limit was +6.25Lbs Boost. 9Boostcutout not activated)

I don't have links to the docs. I spent a bunch of time in the UK archives researching and copying them. Pretty much every RAE report is available there.
Bits and pieces of these docs are available online at Spitfire Performance testing and WWII Aircraft performance http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/

=XIII=Wedge 10-04-2011 08:10 AM

Thanks for the information IvanK.

If we could rewind slightly to the opening post question - I know people like to talk about 100 octane and the Merlin XII, but the question was regarding the Spitfire Mk. I and we have 87 octane fuel.

Has anyone tried cutting out the ABC on the deck and then climbing to full throttle altitude?

Is manual boost control even modelled?

SEE 10-04-2011 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Das Attorney (Post 335325)
Hi See,

I posted the following up in the ATAG thread: This is taken from the game data using kegetys.dll. These are pre_beta so not sure if it's changed since. Basically, the MkI and Ia have 0.002 lbs/sq in extra boost (ie nothing)

From earlier in the thread, it is and it isn't at just 0.002Ibs/sq (according to the extracted game data figures which are shown in Das Attorneys reply).

TomcatViP 10-04-2011 12:43 PM

Just to remind you that the Spit in game as nearly no Drag (hence the boost can't be accurate).

Try the following : bank at 80° and pull the stick until you stall.

I hope you can write with both hands or we won't heard any reply from you soon :cool::grin:

Osprey 10-06-2011 05:23 PM

What on earth are you talking about? Not only is this off topic again but you provide zero evidence in support. Why do you even post? Go away.

Thank you to IvanK and others on posting information.
@Wedge. I think that is worth a try however I find overheat way too severe to complete the task. Maybe a formal attempt at just what you say would be possible though.

TomcatViP 10-07-2011 12:00 PM

Osp you really need a short walk in a park where you could bark at real kitten.

If you put the Spit in a turn at a high bank angle (BA) you'll see easily that the loss of speed is ridiculously low. This a a simple test for E management of any FM. If you don't see what I mean you may have to investigate some G Vs BA charts. I think I did post one some time ago (F16 flight doc)

Hve fun.

Osprey 10-07-2011 10:47 PM

That's not evidence, that's opinion.

And your first sentence, clearly intended as an opening insult, doesn't make any sense in English. You sound like an idiot.

TomcatViP 10-08-2011 07:58 PM

Osp pls let's put an end to that :(


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