Yeah,
create a poll about something where there is no discontent and use it as a sledgehammer-argument,
i have to admit that you have chuzpe trying to sell everybody for dumb.

Btw, i've actually counted the posters which where posting pro-whining: 10 shure, about 5 probable.
Not even close to be a significant number of members of the community, but you made up for it with post-counts.

And for the rest you seem to have problems to see action and reaction:
1. Bug - reports
2. repeated bug-reports
3. begin of whining
4 more whining, beginning counter whining
5.whining - wars started

David Hayward's posts were created by the whiners!!!! No whiners -> No David Hayward posts. its so easy.
Where David Hayward is a synonym here for all people fed up with the senseless whining.

I've seen other posts of you, where i agree with what you say, but here you are in a dead-end.

Stern, robtek is right. I was just responding to your (and others) whining. I used the same tone and level of snark, but not the same lack of self-awareness.

Yeah,
that's the category you fall into
now you are in a dead-end; you contribute to what you claim to fight; you seem to have problems to see your own logic

yes we created the monster

get a room :rolleyes:

that's your very arrogant assumption, if you can't read English it's your problem, not mine. It was a simple question on whether the forum members would like a regular update from the devs or not, and people answered, some even bothered to motivate their position, some didn't. If you don't like the poll POST YOUR OWN and once and for all, stop denigrating other people's position with YOUR idea of what they're saying.

what YOU call whining is YOUR opinion, for others it's a fair request, so since YOU don't own the ultimate knowledge on what's fair or not fair, express your vote if you want to, then go preaching your sermons somewhere else. And it's "sure" not "shure".

sorry, unfortunately I don't control all the people on this forum, this is a FREE place, and as any other FREE places, it happens that people moan. Now it's obvious that people don't just wake up in the morning and think "ok let me see what I can whine about", it's obvious that there's a reason why they do it. Some of them have no idea what they're talking about, and the community is here to help them, others might actually have valid points, and two months of no substancial updates are the cause for the protests.

All I wanted to see is whether people would care or not for regular updates, the majority said YES, get over it man!!!


The reason why I am here is because David Hayward needs either to change his attitude or go. Yes, I'm on a mission, and believe me, I'm not the only one that thinks so.

That's pretty funny. I think the current board format is great. I don't have to change anything.

No, trolling is all you do, and you position is as sterile and useless as the one of the whiners. The fact is that the so-called whiners have the same right of you to be here, but the fact that you rudely call them names, mock them and feel superior without giving any reason for it, makes you even more ridiculous.

You always go for the line of your self-righteous funny(in your mind) answers simply cos you have nothing to say.

This is windmill fight. Behaves annoyingly because somebody annoys him, but considers himself right... you may not win in this battle... unless... to make a poll: is David a troll, or isn't. :twisted:
Okay, just kidding. :-D This would not make any sense. :roll:

I was just jolting the cage :D
Letting myself out again now.
Have fun in your little private world here, where all the polls are unbiased and true, where fantasy becomes truth, and pink clouds move over a neon green England.

:roll:
You've been had.....
:cool:

perfect :) so there is no reason for it then. Thanks for confirming that for me :)

cheers :)

This thread needs more banjo.

There ya go

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaiyW...eature=related

The 'colour bug' patch is coming.

I'm a bit worried about the guy on the double base should the sun come out or someone cracks a garlic clove.

lmfao klem.... YEEEHAAAAAW :D :D :D

Yes he is very well known for speaking the truth isn't he. :grin:

Yes Tree, for once you are right. :D

Its not Luthiers fault you take everything he says as a promise when he's gone out of his way to say this is what they hope to achieve.

My life experience and instincts developed from same....lead me to believe?

"I voted it down due to the awful development team, i have no trust left in them at all"

Any company that deliberately alienates their customers will?
Go bust....

I don't want that for myself or anyone else....there is no excuse for this, no
matter who makes one....

I really wish things were different...It's not my fault, it's not your fault...it's their fault...

If? I broke the rules here....I accept responsibility for my actions...I have more remorse for the game...than I do for any punitive action taken towards my person...

I just noted...that Steam is updating...hopefully, something good....

Salute Tree_UK...and all others...

No attempt here to spam, troll or instigate anything...
It's just what I read here:

http://il-2-sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-of-dovers/blog/uk/

"For all of you encountering issues with the game, we strongly encourage you to visit 1C’s European forum, where Ilya is posting daily updates on the situation and useful tips to deal with perfomance issues:"

This is what has been posted at the above link...and again, not
trying to start anything here....

Comments? Preferably, nice, informative ones.....appreciated.

That was posted back in April.

Yes it was David....however, it is being presented as current info.
Meaning, that nothing or nobody has superceded it there...

The whole aspect of the information disseminated about this product?
Has been contradictory and limited....

Same here....IMHO

Can you tell me this?
Is it UBI's fault or 1C?

Or is it?
No Warranty...expressed or implied...As is?

Your opportunity?
Should you take it?
To throw a little more out there...than you have....

If its anyones fault it could be laid on Maddox Games for not finishing the sim in a timely manor. Anyone with a modicum of common sense should realizes a project this complicated could be inundated with setbacks, so I've given the developer a pass at this point. The publishers were simply no longer willing to support the sim without some monies coming in. Now its up to Maddox Games to finish the project. I'm hoping that it won't take too long as the negative publicity in print and on the forums will certainly kill sales they most desperately need to stay in business.

File a lawsuit. Let us know how it goes.

Fault?
Who gives a flip.
Why should I care?
Why would anyone in here care?
Does it have anything to do with the next update?

Your constant whining about meaningless BS is tedious.

Pud, if old information on the website causes them to go out of business, I will move on with my life. I suggest you do the same.

You gave it a 10. Why must you lie???!!??

I suggest you read his post again the key was 20 but voted it down due to....

I got the old information part "Hardway"....
It's as outdated and as promising as yours....

And presented in the same way....
with the same explanation....

As is?
Is what is....

That reminds me of you....
Just as palatable....:-P

For "Hardway":
"A tool and his money, are soon parted...";-)

Pud, you asked for a response. I gave you one. Who cares? If you're unhappy about being parted from your money, ask for a refund.

Huh?

You are excused for your rating because no one told you it wasn't out of 1000. Otherwise its pretty funny to have that kind of sarcasm at your disposal.

Ouch!

I think they need to talk to eachother (if not to us).

No, the disturbing part is that anyone would take this "poll" seriously.

This is 1C European forums

Look at your address line on browser

UBI you pointed us to > latest information was in April

Things aren't popping here, but if they aren't popping here they aren't popping.

Luthier speaks English very well.

When the developer is ready to release information you can look for it here.

I wasnt assessing it on how it worked with my hardware, I was assessing it on how unfinished and broken it was upon release. This should never have been released in the current state. SLI is broken, AA is broken, the list is huge.

Maddox is gone and Ubisoft is selling the thing cheap and calling it the last. Oh and by the way that is not a Russian translation error as Ubisoft is French and they have excellent translators. LOL


@David Hayward you do not see my humour, lighten up.

Hi nearmiss,

I'm not trying to be contentious but I would like to understand.

Are you saying we should not be guided by the company we bought the product from and that they cannot be expected to keep up to date with advising their customers what is going on? I know this forum is the true font of knowledge but Ubi as a distributor runs its own forums and provide info too, like this info they are giving to potential buyers. They really are misleading new customers and irritating us no end.

They used up most of their budget on girls and vodka,and i have the pics to prove it!

Seconded.

Zorin,what was the problem with the 110 exactly?

A misplaced antenna and pitot tube, afaik.
Monumental errors that would have destroyed the gameplay for everyone.

Please elaborate.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tree_UK View Post
...and they deserve to go bust.

And thats exactly what is not wanted here, hate-posts!

Sorry Robtek,I dont understand the reason for your sarcasm,why can't u keep it civilised? :confused:

You are pretty daft, aren't you? Completely unable to grasp the actual fact that is lying within such obvious mistakes. If they already fail at the obvious, do we really want to know(we do know actually) what has been messed up behind the visuals?

So go and complain to ubi, wrong place here.

the people here already know how good ubi is as a fountain of knowledge.

I totally agree with this quote. They say "detailed FMs and DMs"... the engine who manages them can be good, but if the guys put wrong data in it can we really call this a sim? And this goes on since the old IL2.

I don't trust them anymore. For that I would like to have excellent engines (graphical, FM, DM ect...) but above all a SDK to correct the data so I can sim with my preferred community.

I see your point robtek...."full circle".
My point is/was it is a "circle"....

Thank you....

Chivas, during development there were lots of untruths told, to suggest that never happened is simply erasing the past. You are more than happy to be hoodwinked and i'm pleased for you, it makes life easy that way, for me its 'once bitten twice shy'. Lets just take the very latest of examples, i.e. community manager, why tell us something that is never going to happen, he brings it on himself, unless of course the Com manager got lost in the dynamic weather whilst trying to get SLI working, he shouted for help but no-one could here him because the tree's were enabled. :grin:

Originally Posted by luthier:
"We are however in the process of creating a full-time community manager position and setting up an old team member who will interact with you guys daily, answer questions, and keep you up to date on all events."

Since a lot of good folks here have been contributing to the "Bug Thread" to help out luthier?

Perhaps?
We should try to help luthier with the "Community Manager" process.
I believe...that it wouldn't be difficult to compile a list and nominate one of the respected Forum Members for this position. Further, I believe, that this "process" should be initiated by one of our Moderators.

What do you think?

I think its a good idea, however that person would have to be in contact with Luthier on a regulat basis, as of now it seems he doesn't want to speak to his own customers so unless we get his mum to do it we are back to square one.

LOL i vote for Tree!!

There is no criteria for posting a score. It's just a random collection of numbers from whiners, people who are sick of the whiners, and people who made up their own criteria. Let's assume for a second that the average is 56.3321. What does that tell us that we didn't already know? Absolutely nothing. Basically, it was just an attempt to give the whiners some cover to complain about the same old things.

reactionary

as almost everyone recons in their good sense, this thread is useful as long as it's kept civil and harass free. it clears the picture pretty well. let's keep it that way shall we?

How funny is it that the average is almost the same, and just as useful, as the number I pulled out of my butt?

You pull numbers out of your butt?
Wow that must hurt.
:grin:

mostly...around the ears.....;)

Also quite meaningless no matter how you cut it.

As is your comment.

No, the poll is meaningless. My comment is packed with insight.

Next time we will make a thread we will ask you if we can... ok?

I wish you guys would stop quoting him, its defeating my one-entry ignore list.

This is a guy who lives in a sensory-denial capsule. Nothing you say reaches him, nothing he says has any value because he is unwilling to consider the thoughts and opinions of others and, god help him, possibly adjust his position. He's just blindly poking at anything anyone says. He can't help himself.

He fails to understand, or is determined to ignore, that the poll is a community opinion benchmark against which further opinion benchmarks will be made as the patches come out. Its purpose is to measure of our current and future feel for progress of improvements and hopefully capture simply and graphically all the opinions that have been sprayed across the forum in a thousand posts. Such a simplistic wordless approach defeats his trolling and he can't prevent himself from poking at it as that's all he's left with.

Ignore him or at least please don't quote him ;)

If everyone put 90 and 100 I'm pretty sure you'd see the poll very valid.

If you return to furbs first post and read all the words this time, despite him being your favourite hate object, please realize that the poll is setup to be matched against the upcoming poll (maybe a week after next patch) to see where we're heading.

56.3321 is the average view of the forum visitors - probably the customers who care alot of this product despite being a yes/no sayer as so many here want to label eachothers. If the next poll ends up below this Luthier must realize he prioritized the wrong shortages (such as trains or rare ships) and need to read-up on when the customers are expecting.

If the next poll gives higher, well then he knows he's running his team spot on (this is what I think will happen as Luthier has made some hard decisions lately such as the "sound-issue").

This is a very valuable process for Luthier and company to read how well they succeed.

Klem, sorry for the quote but I do find him very entertaining and will not use the ignore function just yet.

talking about double standards :rolleyes:

Connie, leave it be, if a poll disagrees with their view, they'll say it's biased.

Truth is that they lost their personal battle (they were fighting against windmills, and we were poking them in their cage with a stick just for kicks), let's just sit down, relax and wait for our two weeks, we should be used to this by now ;)

I don't know why, but always when you post something, i smell Galen Thurber. :twisted:

No, the poll is pointless no matter what the results are. Let's assume the numbers are all over 90. What does that mean? Does it mean the devs should stop trying to improve it? Does it mean they should ignore any bug that are found? Of course not. No matter what the results of the poll the devs will continue to improve the game. The poll is only useful for giving cover to the whiners.

Sorry, but this is utterly absurd. The dev team probably has a list of known bugs broken down by functionality (graphics, sound, FM, etc). They also have a list of features that are not currently functioning (not bugs, but stuff they haven't coded yet). Priorities are based on those lists. A poll on what people think of the games does absolutely nothing to help determine dev priorities.

Luckily you don't have to have anything to do with it then.The poll was not compulsory, so you could have just ignored it, as you don't see it as important or relevant. And luckily the mods have cottoned on to you now ,and moved your posts here.
Better for everyone concerned I think. You could choose to become a more valued member of the forum, by posting in some of the other threads, helping new people out, for example , or even post some screen shots?
Are you flying online or offline? If online, which servers do you like? If offline, which campaign are you flying, and how is it going?
You get the idea...
( I know I'm probably wasting my time, but still...)

I'd rather be a valued member by pointing out useless, whiny, BS.

The mods think otherwise David, thats why all your posts end up here!
Ah well I tried.
Have a nice life :)

There are plenty of my posts that haven't been moved here. And plenty of other people have posts moved here. Not sure what you were trying other than more BS?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...lifeispain.gif

Bye david.

David is living proof that you cannot educate Pork.

Its on the ignore list now so karma is restored! :)

Coming from someone who thinks that whining about this game through polls is useful for the devs, that's pretty funny.

It's quite telling that no one has even attempted to respond to my explanation of why this poll is useless.

David...why don't you just shake it off...put it back in yer pants...and walk away....

I have no problem shaking off whiny responses like yours.

Pud, why don't you try posting something intelligent instead of the usual whining?

As a lurker I have to say something: You've singlehandedly brought this thread to a new low for intelligent posting. Pudfark is just coming down to your level so you can understand him..............

Right. Was the low point when I pointed out exactly how a software dev team prioritizes issues, and that it doesn't involve pointless polls by whiny trolls?

It's where you just don't STFU. You've said way too much and you're annoying. Thanks for listening.

IGNORE LIST!!!!

Stop poking the beast.

Unless of course you are all masochists.

ROTFL best.answer.ever. :mrgreen:

As annoying as David Hayward may be,
the funny thing is, that everybody poking at him sees himself above him.
Face the truth "hayward haters", you're not one iota better!
Except in your imagination, but only there!

I don't hate anyone robtek, its just words on a screen. Check my long post to him, saying he should get more involved in the community. He's been around for a while now, he could offer help to newbies, get involved in other discussions about CoD etc. Then check his answer...
Its not a problem, its his choice how he wants to contibute in the forum.
He's the only member in any forum I have ever put on an ignore list. In his mind he probably see's that as some sort of achievement.
Its good that the mods have moved him here to the troll locker, the forum is a nicer place now.

you're really really good at this double standards game man :rolleyes:

David, as self-appointed crusader, started quarreling with anybody over the forum, who was other opinion, than his. The mood was bad anyway, and he aggressively, annoyingly mocked and teased. Nobody else opinion did not interest him. And this did not change since then.

I myself am an admirer of Mr Hayward's economy of phraseology and his objective and far-seeing analysis of statistical data.

You should talk to Pud, furb, and the other whiners. I'm just responding to them.

That might be, but how can fighting whining be bad???

His style is disputable, but his "crusade" isn't.

Whining is bad style in extreme and must be fought anytime anywere!

And dont equalize bug-reporting, criticism (constructive) and telling one's opinion (once) with whining, that is not the same.

The administrators' task to discipline others, if necessary. They have a right and "device" to it - ban. Everything else causes endless quarreling only. :rolleyes:

As annoying the quarreling is sometimes, it is also a essential part of the forii, making them more interesting.
Like spices, they improve if not overdone.

I agree about the quarrelling bit, it's inevitable me thinks..



P.S.

it's fora, nor forii ;)

To be perfectly frank its not your job that's why they have mods on this board and your "response" is just adding to there work load... :rolleyes:

Troublemaker!! ;)

Will everyone PLEASE stop quoting him, it defeats the ignore list... :)

I never said it was my job. I'm responding because they are really annoying.

It's one of the reasons I don't bother to use the ignore feature.

BTW, if they were doing their job the whining would not be a problem.

Yeah, we can only hope they ban you soon.