Trees on the cliffs and in front of. This is the case since longer time now and it hasn't been changed. Seems like Oleg and team don't see the wood for the trees in the truest sense of the word.

I come here a few times a week and it never ceases to amaze me that most of you guys just like to nit pick
You have a release date for gods sake, isn't that enough?

grass isn't right color, goggles up???

If i was flying MSFS then ground detail would mean a lot coz thats all you have, this is a combat sim don't think i will last long if i look out and admire the ground.

for me it's all about game play, if it's not immersive i lose interest real quick and no amount of pretty graphics will keep me playing.

Oleg: a little suggestion, haven't seen anyone mention this recently. How about a little exhaust smoke when the throttle of the fighter is slammed to Full Boost? There have been mention of this smoke in pilots' accounts and in fact I've seen it myself from WWII aircraft at airshows. It is something that occurred to me when looking at the last screenshot, especially.

Ya not to nit pick, thanks for the photos but I couldnt help but notice again the AA is off/low which is very distracting. Also the field texture looks very low res...

Plane models look good though and I like the tracer smoke/wake/trails.

If you are asking, you probably already know the answer.

I think it depends on where you look. There are trees at sea level, but maybe not on beaches...the game probably doesn't make that difference:

http://www.jameshovercraft.co.uk/hov...er_harbour.jpg

http://volokh.com/sasha/dover.JPG

http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/im...le_370x300.jpg

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/12257...-at-cliffe.jpg

I want sliding goggles and less green grass everywhere I go

especially when smoking a tracer

I'm awestruck by the inane complaints as well - must be entertaining for Ilya and Oleg

maybe the project was canceled in 2006 medieval times and these are just old screenshots meant to torment the sporks

that would be extra funny

Brilliant update. I like the Defiant.

A small note: I wish the roads were a bit more brown-grey, rather than blue-grey. There is an overall blue look to the towns which looks unnatural to me.

Folkestone:
http://www.aerialphotographerkent.co...ve-quarter.jpg

http://www.aerialphotographerkent.co...arge/bayle.jpg

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...1&d=1295624508

It is the same footage reused.
Look at the Ingromir video - it is identical.

Oleg will change it (if it isn't already changed in current builds).

Why doesn't this make sense to me?

Translation for non-English speakers or the dense. . .

If you have to ask if a post is not appropriate THEN the odds are it is in fact INAPPROPRIATE!

For 7 years I´ve been a IL2 fan since Forgotten Battles until IL2 1946 MOD and I always supported the incoming SOW:BOB/ Cliffs of Dover and waited 5 years to get it and just pre-ordered a Collector´s Edition and payed 70 euros for it.

I rarely post in this forum and now when I just made, in a corteous way, an important suggestion to Oleg, to have a better and more autentic scenery for this amazing new sim, somebody like you, with bad and provocative manners, question my post.

Perhaps other people are real whinners and you had enough of their whinnerie and you might be right to be pissed of, but don´t trow it at me, mister, trow it at them, right?

All the best,

yeah, landscapes still arent living up to expectations from the screenies I've seen thus far. For numerous reasons, just haven't gotten that wow reaction I usually get from a game with superb graphics

Scenery critics show us how it's done
 

I think the scenery posted is great, and the amount of research thats gone into the authenticity of all aspects of visuals is amazing, aircraft, atmospherics, ground buildings and equipment-- terrain, especially considering the size of the development team. The only thing I see missing are vehicles and people on the ground, especially as seen from the air. But those who criticize please post some samples from other sims showing how they are so much better --maybe side by side of similier scenes so we can see what BOB should be aiming for.

You could be more of a class one ass, but I doubt it.

Hi Oleg,

i am a big fan of you and the dev team, since IL2 hit the shelves. Thank you very much for this new sim i waited so long. Thanks. Sure, i have preorderd the Collectors Edition. Great.

PS: Go on with your great work.

LC

You have been in the netherlands for quite awhile. You should engage the box above "Search" or just go back and review previous update threads.

Sorry, but Oleg has been answering and responding on these threads for months. I'm sure you'll also find he has probably answered alot of your other questions you haven't brought yourself to ask yet.

We were discussing scenery issues months ago, and we've had some very competent discussions.

It is always a respectful thing to do when you make postings on a forums where you haven't been... to run the search and spend some time reading postings before you shoot your own foot.

I remember someone talking about this some months ago and from what I remember there WHERE trees up on the cliffs in 1940 which someone that lived there back then confirmed. I cant find the thread unfortunately...

Well, found it after looking through a looong thread ;)

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=146

The majority of people who are interested in purchasing flight Sims are generally and already involved in the flight-sim "community". Marketing for this niche of a genre is unique from that of a mainstream style game.

When someone becomes interested in flight-simulations, they will likely do research and end up here, as IL-2 is widely considered the best of the best in its class. It must be understood that most people aren't interested or haven't the patience for historical simulations, so this title cannot be expected to be so robustly advertised.

Because of its specificity and distinction as a genre; most potential customers will find Cliffs of Dover and it will be successful. Not to mention the fact that the developers plan for the game's lifespan to last around a decade into the future.

the RAF Round are still orange, are they an historical signification for not using red?
or the sources are old picture and the red transform to orange with the time???

Oleg you should explain us why they are orange for some plane ( in il2 1946 it's red...)

So true, that's how it was for me. Got hold of EAW just by chance before I was mildly interested in WWII air combat but after EAW I was hooked. Flightsims aren't day one blockbusters BUT I reckon they sell good over time. Still today I find IL-2 1946 and even Forgotten Battles on store shelves, it's amazing! Back to topic though, nice screens Oleg though I almost don't bother looking at them anymore, all I want is the finished game LOL!:grin:

Coming close to perfect! :grin: I love the Bf110s :cool:

Stop complaining or we'll make sure your La gets pink tracers. :grin:

How's life under your rock?

Thanks for the update Oleg, great work as usual. Welcome back Tree, place hasn't been the same without you!:grin:

I've already seen that in previous screenshots, some nice English cars, some really fast ones as well!

Thank you Oleg. These are brilliant. Complainers go to hell. The terrain looks immersive as hell.

The me110's look lovely than you for the update pictures.

wheni first go online with this sim i will fly low over the cliffs of dover and shoot down all the over the top nit pickers as they will to busy inspecting the individual rendering of blades of glass or contrast of hedges against the colour of tarmac, they will never see me on there six as they will be to busy looking at there roundals and the ones measuring train lengths are completely going to get it:-P

Out of interest, maybe the brightness of the roundel is relative to the game? people have said they feel the grass is too bright; maybe the two are related....?

Not grass only but earth colours in general. I understand it was a great summer but that colour is just bright not saturated as may be...

Says more about the VVS than the Finns

For me the colors look totally alright since it should look like spring.

Open up the FMB and put them in then.

this made me LMAO for like 30 seconds
Then I started complaining in my head about the AA again...

That reply says more about you than anything else.

What does it say then Sven?

It says more about the Finnish pilot, driven to fight the Russians, with everything he had, with lower numbers, older planes, even till the bitter end. Don't take lightly on the Finnish pilot. The Russians had that same fierce fighting spirit in them to defend the motherland, they are often wrongly addressed as incapable pilots, not able to keep dicipline, often the opposite was true.

So it doesn't say anything about me then after all.

Well said Sven.

(But, ehm...This is going very off topic...)

Never in the field of flight sim development have so many bitched so much about so little.

qft!

Yes, I agree as well. We'll soon see, I suppose :cool:

Do I see victory marks on the tail of the Bf110 most in the right of picture 2? If so: COOL:cool: There are some very small white things on the tail I think...so...

That is not my Job :evil:

Who are you to say that ?
 

You didn't understand anything... a shame. :(

I'm not answering to you because it seems you couldn't read the things correctly and in more, someone did it almost totally yet...

We need a good Trailer

i will be one of them ^^

I wonder how many people actually went through the process of adjusting their screen correctly.

lol, lol

Actually that is a very valid point Swiss, my friend visited me on Thursday he had been having a few PC problems, anyhow he brought along his monitor aswell which is identical to mine (27 inch Dell). I was amazed how different the colours looked, so much so that we both joined a Battlefield vietnam server and sat next to each other online, the difference was quite amazing, he preffered the way my monitor was setup, so after a little tinkering we got them looking the same, he was well pleased and said the game looked entirely different. So good point that Swiss, maybe some monitor calibration might be in order. :grin:

I've often wondered the same thing, with peoples complaints about colors. Every monitor displays colors differently and you can have a huge range of color outputs with the slight touch of a slider in the control panel of your monitor or graghics card settings.

@ carl
 

LMAO, I couldn't agree more. Some of the nitpicking on this forum and at places like "allaircraftsimulations" has been unbelievable especially from couch-potato pilots! Complaints about exhaust flame colour, length, shape. Complaints about the clouds etc ad nauseum. I'm surprised noone has complained about the colour and textre of the AIR represented in the sim, LOL.

Personally I can't wait for this one and am hoping it expands into the heavy bomber campaign later on with flyable 17s and 24s.
:grin:

someone always points this way each week- adjust dummy
no one listens
next week same voices heard, the color is all wrong :confused:

This must make the developers take color complaints with a grain of salt. I'm sure developer as professional photographer knows what the colors should look like. So its boils down to the developer having technical issues getting the color palette right, or its our own individual problem The first is difficult to fix the latter not so much.

Hence why we should all sit, patiently, and await release now. :cool:

Maybe they should add calibration software to the game. :rolleyes:

Oleg is pulling our legs...
 

Remember this ? We should all relax...CoD will look incredebly good...

It looks there are two rivets missing :cool:

Well, clouds do not look incredebly good...
In fact, they look the same as those from Forgotten Battles, long time ago...:(

Modded clouds of Il-2 1946 look better - than these presented so far.

If March release is true: it is last moment to present "new clouds"... or admit that there are no "new clouds"... no diversity in clouds shapes.
:(

Do some research... The clouds your seeing are the old clouds and are a place holder for the new clouds, which may or may not make the initial release. IF they don't make it they will certainly will be added later as a free update.

You've obviously never been to the Ubizoo. ;)

How many effing times does it have to be said that these pics are taken on low-mid-spec machines? :rolleyes:

i for one cannot wait. looks awesome.

roll on march.

anyone know how i buy a collectors ed in Australia?

ahahaha I challenge anyone to read this in your head in Churchill's voice and not laugh out loud.

That is my point...Do you really think that Oleg would release a game that does not look as good or better in terms of clouds and weather than 1946 ?
Or Birds Of Prey to witch SoW has allways been compared ?Do you think that during the 6 years of making CoD (SoW) nothing as been done regarding the clouds ?
Remember the pilot bailout movie ? The ground detail, trains, trucks and the selection of trees and leaves... Do you beleive Oleg would have done this in priority to a new weather system...?
It is a flight simulator, and 90 % of the action will be in the air...So...I presume that Oleg is aware of this...:rolleyes:

It will be gorgeous... Oleg's reputation is at stake here....And he's a brilliant man....So brace for inpact...:grin:

Salute !

Oleg has had alt least one team member programming clouds and weather for 5 or 6 years.


They won't look like IL2 clouds.

Stop worrying about it.

There is Chinese saying... it is better to see once - than to hear 100 times.

I have no intention to discuss Oleg's personality, team structure, timing of features,...etc.

Just as a faithfull fan of Il-2 series, I pointed to reality fact:
So far there are no variety of clouds...

They could be added later on or not... but it is "a bit strange" that team has developed: hangar doors, flak guns, trains, armored vehicles,....and many, many "periferal features"... without key elements:

- later versins of Me-109E (even better 109F)
- Clouds environment (as visual priority in 2011 graphics)

Just my rational view of current situation... no hard feelings.;)

One thing OM said seems to be forgotten:
when we get to see the final product we will get many surprises!
As i don't think that the surprises will be of the negative kind, :-D we cannot expect to see CoD in its final glory until it's installed on our rigs!

This whining is amazing. And the game isn't even out yet..
I love it. I can't wait to see "how porked the ME 109:s FM is compared to Hurricane"-Threats with wikipedia links.
I remember old days@UBIZOO.. It was pure fun to look that teh P-47 won teh war. It made my day several times after having a bad day at the werks.
It is pretty stupid to compare CoD with IL2. Since they are all different games. Even Oleg and the Team has made them both.
We all know that UBI haven't been the most customer friendly company, but the DRM thing is over according their announcement.
I ordered the Collectors Edition and i'm counting days....
kap

Where did you actually played the game? I'm jelous.
Is out in Russia?
And if is not out, how on earth you can tell what is missing?
By looking at few screenshots..... I don't think so.
My teenage friend, you need to have patience.
I want CoD to have mapmaking tools, but i can wait...2 weeks easily.
kap

Yes he did indeed say this Robtek, but since then he has said that a lot of new exciteng features originally announced to be in the game have now been taken out of the initial release purely because of performance issues. Ok we might see these added at a later date, but what we dont know is whether the features were dropped because the 2007 game engine simply out dated itsself, or whether todays technology is simply not powerful enough.

The surprise will most likely be what is missing rather than whats been added, but I hope im wrong.

First of all, I am not teenage (unfortunately) but in my mid 40-es...

And I am not telling what is missing in the game (hope your English is that good) but what is missing in update presentations... not few screenshots - but few dozens of screenshots!

Talking about patience... be patient and read again my posts.

And... whenever something was missing from PC games presentation 1-2 months before release date - it was missing in release version.

Due to my age (maybe...) I am not lacking the patience... I am lacking presently - presentation of late Bf-109E models (for example)
If that is "not important" in CoD - than what is important ?

It is as simple as that... I am not a young Oleg's fanboy... but I am Oleg's flying veteran who is pointing to some important facts - within avelange of youngster's delight.

****
I have perfectly enough patience... even to wait for DRM version that Ubi is preparing.

I still hope that this is a FORUM (where people express and exchange opinions and impressions) not Ubi or Oleg religion church.

I doubt it. Oleg said just a few months ago that there would be surprises, and he obviously meant good surprises, and by then he had a very good idea of how the game would run on our PCs.

You usually are so don't panic ;)

I'm only kidding Tree, since I'm sure you're glad you were wrong about the release date.

Absoloutley. :grin: I should of stuck to my march 2011 release date that I predictated back in 2009, but i got carried away with all my success. :grin:

Now that would've been cool. We'd then have to believe everything you said forever more.

+1 a Brilliant post ,unfortunately you are fighting some fanboys on here who will not question,or ask.
Why do we have to wait for the sim to be purchased and on our computers before we see these "hidden" goodies that are promised [not by Oleg but assumed by people on here ].
Has no one considered the facts that maybe ,just maybe what we have and see is it,there are no hidden jewels.
Yes it is a forum,a forum is that should be open enough to ask,discuss not get shouted down as a doubter.
I am worried that when the sim is released people will have built up too much hope on these issues and then feel deflated.
I wait with baited breath to be shot down for daring to ask.
Just out of interest ,how much can be added in 2 months before release without risking introducing problems and bugs?

Judging by the last 7 years development, very little.

I don't think we'll see much bugs, maybe some minor missing content, but their work will not go in vain, that content will probably come back in the expansions and/or patches.

Yes, but then some would need instructions too, a DVD with Oleg showing them how to do it, and then another video, telling them to go out and breathe some fresh air.
:cool:

http://th01.deviantart.com/fs28/300W...Roofboy179.jpg

For all you guys, yes you know who you are...

I have to admit I too am disappointed with what we have been shown.
There seems to have been little or no progress from the first shots in 2004-5 until now. Nice graphics may only be part of the equation but they are what sells a game.

I'm not expecting to see cutting edge rendering techniques in a flightsim, but neither do I think bolted on self-shadowing and slightly higher texture resolution and poly count are going to cut in in 2011. The sky, clouds, the water shaders - everything reeks Il-2 expansion. Of course all these things are fixable. The question is, after nigh a decade of development, why haven't they? And yes, I've read all the stories about car crashes and deserting devs.

Hopefully the rest of the sim, especially the physics part will make up in complexity what the graphics seem to be lacking.

I think 1c has to install something like this:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m...in/Whining.jpg

Really ? Then go back to 2004 screens and show us something that is as good or better than those....;)

I even don't have shots out of 2004 on my blog... and I thought I would have them all ;)

Here is one from the BlitzPig's archives from the early days...

http://www.cubpilot.com/Tspin/M9.jpg

See? Noting has changed...

:rolleyes:

Haha! That is even funnier...:grin:
It is a good thing I didn't bother to find them myself as an exemple !!!! ;)

Salute !

Some more very old shots, for those with short or no memory of where the sim originated...

http://www.cubpilot.com/Tspin/M42.jpg
Nice water huh?

And remember when this kind of thing would happen?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v8...g/BPELPink.jpg

Nope, Cliffs of Dover is no better than this.

Open your eyes people.

I'd like to complain......
 

I want this game to:

- blow cold air on my face when I open my virtual cockpit,
- spray black ink on my monitor when I get an oil leak
- shoot me with red paintballs when I get shot up
- have the exact number of buttons on my uniform when I look down at my "body"
- yank me out of my chair and hang me from the ceiling when I bail out
- smell like fuel, glycol, exhaust and oil as soon as I sit in my seat
- throw a bucket of water on me when I ditch in the channel
- allow me to sit on a virtual toilet and think about my previous sortie
- have my monitor start to smoke if I get hit
- shake my desk when I crashland
- pick my nose
- scratch my arse

Sounds ridiculous doesn't it lads, well that's what a lot of you sound like. Give it a rest and keep your pathetic bitching to yourselves until the product actually comes out, you've played it and then actually have something to whine about. In short..............GFY.;)

:( Why is it the fanboys have to criticise anyone that has the audacity to say anything that isn't in agreement with them.
I think it will be good and i will buy it in time but i don't think it is too much to ask to be given more solid information regarding certain aspects which haven't been addressed.
If it can be answered ,then why haven't they? that alone makes people doubt.
Lets be honest it has been a shambles so far, Ubi being announced on the hoof as it was badly leaked and not really being a popular choice.
A change of title announced which went down like a lead balloon ,yes even on this forum,
A poor advertising video preview,hardly a positive start.They need to start putting something of substance together soon to put the doubts to bed and sell to people who are sitting on the sidelines.

It must suck to wake up in the morning and be you.

Such negativity and pessimism, over a freaking game.

It's like you lot of whiners have not even seen the screen shots, or read the things Oleg and Luthier have posted.

OMG!!! UBI is the publisher!!!!111!!!11one!!! I think I'll jump off a cliff in protest!!!!! Who did you really think it would be?

OMG!!!!! DRM!!! DRM!!!!!! DRM!!!!!! OH NOES!!!!!!!!

THE SCREENS LOOK NO BETTER THAN IL2!!!!!!!!! WHAT A CROCK!!!!!!!!!! You fanboys are blind!!!! CoW will suck!!!!!!!!!

You all need glasses I guess.

I sure don't get it.

Thanks again oleg everything is looking excellent, & i agree with ElAurens, how can people criticise this sim , as no one has played it yet.

I hear you...But...
We, fanboys, have been following CoD developpement from the very start. We have retained a lot of information. We have read every single thread. We have read every single Oleg's comment...And not only on this forum.
We have learned to "know" Oleg and how he works...5 years ago, Oleg wrote on this forum that he was willing to show us WIP, as long as it would not become a weapon for its competitors. And on the "Future of Sims", he also stated that if someone would come up with enough money, he would team up with them and add some secret ideas that he has. So there is a lot that we still dont know or haven't been shown only to preserve his "Oleg's way to do things"....The fanboys KNOW that, but not the casual member...So , we are telling you to stop complaining, or more gently said " worrying" about the fact that the game seems to be incomplete at this stage...And since its released in a couple of months, you think it is impossible to have a faboulously looking game...Oleg allways said: I will show things when I feel they are ready to be shown. Important features (read clouds) have to be tuned to 100% before going public...So have faith my friends !

Salute !

We have to wait proppably because showing of all the goodies making sure nobody feels left out (very easy among flightsimmers apparently) would take a "small" video thats a day long.

Its way more easy showing of Crysis so long as the graphics is "awsome" because they dont give a rats a** about the rest.

Just to compare :)

I'm quite surprised all the negative posts are actually allowed,on an official forum.Since the announcement of the release they seem worse,and appear to be building up in to some sort of frenzy,for some weird unexplained reason.
I would like to request that the moderators jump on it a bit more,because it is getting to the stage where it could cost sales,because someone new to this forum,looking for info on CoD,will just think its carp,and forget about it.
Oh,and +1 to what El Aurens said.

Absolutely agree! Send the notorious whiners on a holiday!

We could use some dedicated moderators around here indeed.
I am sick of all the redicilous negativity and whiners, whomever thinks IL2 is even close to CoD needs to have their head examined, its a reason for why the created a whole new engine for crying out loud.

Well here's my considered opinion and I hope it's balanced.

I am REALLY looking forward to experiencing this application. I've been waiting many years to see it and I've been using IL-2 since almost day 1 of its release.
The vast majority of screenshots, descriptions, video clips and answers to questions that Mr Maddox and 1C have provided over the last few months and years show a very interesting air combat simulation that is a huge leap ahead of the original IL-2 and that is the foundation for a sustainable future and great entertainment. The Collector's Edition set looks like a very well thought out selection of items that should appeal to any one of us here and that was a surprise. I have every expectation that COD will be a success with the sim community and probably beyond.

However:
I find it odd that the official promotional video is not as polished as it could be. Regardless of the motivation no other major release promotion would deliberately tone down the graphical quality. You present your product at its best, that's basic marketing. Despite that it still looks very good.
Secondly, as has been commented upon to death, the IL-2 COD name is poor and ill advised but that won't affect sales.
Lastly, I'm very very surprised at the lack of comment from Mr Maddox about the official release. To provide extremely well received weekly updates with extensive follow ups but then when the release is announced say effectively nothing on the subject is most peculiar. I'd have hoped that Mr Maddox would have had a prepared bit of text stating his pleasure at finally being able to offer us a pre-order and explaining the products on offer (the collector's set contents etc) and also some details of the final application. I for one am in awe of what Mr Maddox and his development team have achieved both with IL-2 and COD but I'm perturbed that the final announcement of availability had no fanfare or excitement. It's not what I expected to happen here on the forum.

In conclusion ... the release could have been handled a little better but the actual product, the thing we've all been waiting for all these years, should and most probably will be exceptionally good. We should all just be really thankful that there's a product at all and offer all the support to Oleg's team that we can.

Regarding the promotional video, its only "low res. old stuff" to those of us who have been lurking arround theese forums for years on end, not to thoose who see this game for the first time thinking "maby i should try flight simming, i wonder whats out there for me to choose from"

Thoose are the people promo vids are for , not us junkies in here, because frankly, if anyone, after all theese years and screens/videos, still needs to be convinced of what CoD will be then this game is proppably NOT for "u" (not u specificly), and never will be. And thats perfectly ok to, we cant all have the game of our dreams.

......at least we have some entertainment here while we wait for something to really bitch about. (reaches for another handful of popcorn)