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Wutz 01-07-2011 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mr71mb0 (Post 210200)
I don't understand what people have against online DRM? (expect for those unlucky enough to not be able to get online at all).

So you don´t? Do you know the differance between buying and leasing?
When you buy something, no one tells you when you may or may not use your bought artical, leased is then a differant cup of tea as it is not really yours.
But when I buy something and give good money for a product I wish to choose when I use something or not. As you as a customer can not go to a store, and say well I will give you the money for now but I might object to you using it later on.
Sorry I do not rent software I buy it.

Hecke 01-07-2011 10:53 AM

DRM kills the true customers, not the pirates.
Bad luck for Oleg if he decides to cooperate with a publisher who uses DRM.

mr71mb0 01-07-2011 10:55 AM

That's why I'm in favour of online DRM (as long as it's not so strict that a blip in comms will interrupt your game mid session).

All this starforce crap that makes it so you can't even install / play a DVD you legitimately bought and then have to resort to getting a crack is not on. But that's as a result of the protection method being rubbish and should never have been used.

Wutz 01-07-2011 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by mr71mb0 (Post 210207)
That's why I'm in favour of online DRM (as long as it's not so strict that a blip in comms will interrupt your game mid session).

All this starforce crap that makes it so you can't even install / play a DVD you legitimately bought and then have to resort to getting a crack is not on. But that's as a result of the protection method being rubbish and should never have been used.

Yes opening the doors for any geek to tinker with your computer while you are playing. Are you maybe a representative of the software industrie?
Then watch this, even though it is not DRM it shows what companies do if they can lock on to your computer. Sorry I do not like being a glass clear costumer, opening myself for any kind of comercial bombardment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT322...eature=related

Foo'bar 01-07-2011 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wutz (Post 210205)
Sorry I do not rent software I buy it.

You'll NEVER buy software. You'll just pay for the right to use it. See the difference.

Wutz 01-07-2011 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Foo'bar (Post 210211)
You'll NEVER buy software. You'll just pay for the right to use it. See the difference.

Yes same goes for music CDs too but there no one forces you to be online or to register before being allowed to listen to your CD that too is a big differance!

JG52Uther 01-07-2011 01:16 PM

All online drm does is screw the legitimate customer.

Wutz 01-07-2011 02:12 PM

Well those who are so pro DRM seem to know little to nothing about data mining and simular stuff, I guess they just wonder why they get so much spam.
Some must really love virtual striptease for the sake of commercial interests

mr71mb0 01-07-2011 02:28 PM

man you must be really suggestible to be so frightened of a little advertising. I don't even see spam these days.

mr71mb0 01-07-2011 02:29 PM

and btw I'm not really pro DRM, but developers do have a right to try and protect the stuff they have invested time and money on.

most of these tiny companies are knife edge as it is.

Wutz 01-07-2011 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mr71mb0 (Post 210271)
and btw I'm not really pro DRM, but developers do have a right to try and protect the stuff they have invested time and money on.

most of these tiny companies are knife edge as it is.

There is nothing against that, but for the right to use software, for which you pay, to allow anyone who wishes to snoop around and profil you, that is asking a bit much. Ever heard of identity theft? Is becoming more and more easier and a lot of people don´t seem to think what consequences something like that might have on them.
If you got no problems with that fine, but do not expect everyone else to share that attetude.
Software protection yes, but at the cost of lose of privacy no.

mr71mb0 01-07-2011 03:44 PM

such as?

MegOhm 01-07-2011 06:47 PM

OS and SOW
 
Well when might the next OS come out?

Will SOW work with win 7 64 bit or will we have to do an install dance, if a another new OS is introduced before SOW is released I guess it might be another year or so delay to make it work.

Looks like it may be available around Dec 2013?

K_Freddie 01-07-2011 10:53 PM

I think essentially there are a core of honest paying customers like most of us here.
Maybe what Oleg/1C should do is allow us to register for SOW, which allows us to download the sim, and supply us with an enabling Key (via email or other means). This we can save onto a CD/DVD.

When playing online the server can do a quick authentication check - where it will recognise 'known' (good) customers via a PGP method.

Note that this is not the same as steam where you have to login to steam first before you play.

The pros and cons ar 50/50, but the objective should be for the ease of the good customer, as you are going to get pirates (even with steam) and it can be a community effort to 'disable' these pirates.

Heliocon 01-08-2011 02:54 AM

I understand what peoples points are on the DRM and net connection. Sorry if I was dismissive. In the end for internet it comes to this: If you want what you pay for, ie: a game, why not apply the same logic to your internet provider? I lived in Australia and rural NZ, now I am in the US. I could of understood the: internet suddenly stops working randomly: point if you are in a rural area and go back 5+ years. Now though there is really no reason you shouldnt have high speed 24/7 internet, and if you dont in Auz the new bill for internet passed will insure you have better net access then the US does!

For the: I like to play on the train comment. = Great, start steam at home, put it into offline mode. Turn on comp on train, select offline mode and play!
DRM ownership: Guys, just because you have a disk doesnt mean you OWN the software. Infact you dont, you OWN the RIGHT to ACCESS the software on the disk (this is how it has always been). Owning would mean you could copy, modify, resell and reproduce the disk and its contents.
I hate DRM, but if it keeps companies open who otherwise are hurt by it, I will take it over no games! Especially steam, which to me while DRM is very very accesable and efficient (I can re-download my games! Unlike Itunes where if your hard drive chokes on a furball from your desk = too bad for you, buy again!)


Seriously people, even in 1998, NZ countryside (rural) I had dialup. I hated competing for internet/phone with parents so we had a second line installed. I never remember it "dropping out" often. If thats an issue you need to contact your service provider. I am in a new house and the wiring for the tv/net was from when it was originaly built in the mid 80s. I was getting sometimes intermitent random drop outs, thats now all fixed.

(the only other time you might have problems is if your in Florida and theres lightning :P = buy battery backup for comp, Spam connect button! US utilities are horrible, only 12mb/s dl... In Singapore I had 100mb/s+ and no power outs...)

Also wante to add (yes another edit :P) that in reply to a reply from my reply to a reply a few pages ago...
For them to open there own shop/drm would take alot of rescources and programming. Then they have to provide server bandwidth/service for all the customers = $
Servers would have to be regional for any decent MP = $
Very limited install base and advertising vs Steam = -$
DRM doesnt work? Incompatible? Firewall problem? = tech support + programming (bug fixing) = -$ + Unhappy customers.
= Bad idea + Plenty more reasons if you want me to go on :P

Gourmand 01-08-2011 10:06 AM

DRM, ok, but the
"four activated before the game is Locked ", i can tolerate this ( is why i don't buy ROF )

I prefer a "net activation" with account mail and password ( and no-cd required )
or a simply steam connection

I hope the way to protect the game will be the most intelligent as possible

Yvetette 01-08-2011 06:40 PM

A lot of talk, talk,talk, but not a translation of the interview!!!!

nearmiss 01-08-2011 06:49 PM

What are you talking about?

Yvetette 01-08-2011 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 210581)
What are you talking about?

In your first message that is not a translation, but bad English done by Google translator:-P

nearmiss 01-08-2011 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Yvetette (Post 210586)
In your first message that is not a translation, but bad English done by Google translator:-P

Yes, you are correct that is what it is. :confused:

Heliocon 01-09-2011 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Yvetette (Post 210586)
In your first message that is not a translation, but bad English done by Google translator:-P

Ok now please translate that into american.... ;)


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