It's all a matter of taste, and mostly irrellevant, but i disagree with you. Just for getting it out of my chest i have to say that i don't like the GUI, because it looks too modern for a ww2 sim.
I would keep the way text is displayed, but i would prefer somethin that looks like a old desktop with a book open, like a manual, where you see the rows with the commandss, and on the right writen on hand made letter, with diferent color, the key assigned to that command. Or something like that.
Maybe i'm too old school, but i think that a ww2 sim GUI should look more like something old and not modern.

Just an opinion, after all the great things that has been showed of aircraft, terrain, skins and so on, what ever they choose and do with the GUI, its fine by me. :)

Pilots Prospective
 

Thanks Oleg for this update! I would only like to add my humble request since I haven't found it addressed anywhere on the forums...

I really hope that upon bailing out, that the view would change to first person, and controls might be provided to simulate the bailout procedure as well as providing the pilot the choice when to pop the chute, the direction, and landing animations etc. It would keep the heart thumping through all the phases of the escape from the aircraft ~ and if it's not too much trouble, I would also request a 45 Caliber Handgun to give me a chance to thwart Chute Shooters (=;

Great update Oleg! Please tell me that there will be some kind of engine management training in the game for those of us who are not aeronautical engineers :-)

You mean like making your own gear lever? You are right, that's a good question and i totally missed this when i was asking about such things just one post above yours. Supposing a two-way switch gives a continuous signal, then it would need different interpretation or handling by the game engine.

An instantaneous switch would just send the command "gear up", but having a two-way switch that stays in place would trasmit "gear up...gear up...gear up..." all the time :-P
Although, i think that you can get around this limitation by using certain kinds of circuit design for your custom controller. I'm not sure but i vaguely remember seeing some diagramms on leo bodnar's website about making his controllers work that way.

Still, very good observation there.



This is signature worthy. :-P

I think exactly the same.
The atmosphere of WWII is a must, and it has to start from the GUI till the last shoot.
But as you commented "It´s a matter of taste" and maybe is done this way to cath attention as much people as posible.

Thanks Oleg.

cutting of wings
 

splended!...except of informations about keys I DO like the 2nd shot in 4th part...tracers everywhere and slightly cut left wing of defiant...real drama...

im very curious about how much points of "cutting" is actually there...

Thank you Oleg nad rest of the team!

thank you mr Blackdog. And it is very very simple to create such switch, pic a button on your joystick, solder the 2 wires to a ON-OFF switch and there you go.I have a very simple radio control simulator that has that funtion. I asked this question here many times before, but maybe i am on the ignore list, he he! The only way to go around the problem is with a small program that maps the keys, but that is not so good as if funtion was in game. Hope they include it. If they dont, no problem, i am very happy with theyr job!

The spiral effect of the smoke was not a camera shake issue. The spiral like vortices were actually present.
I had a 20mm MG-FF cannon shell pulled from a shot up B17. The hole for the tracer was off center. This is another contributing factor to the spirals.
The only thing about the wiggling tracers that I have an argument about is quite simple.
When viewing a tracer that is fired, it will appear as a streak traveling in a straight line, no wiggles, BUT if you are firing a handheld or semi fixed machine gun, the vibrations and recoil on your face will cause the tracer to appear a little distorted, very much like the camera shake.

I agree with Lancelot.
While the GUI is "fine" (clean, etc... etc...), it's very boring.

Here's an idea to make it much more graphical.

Have a cut-away of a He-111 (it has to be some aircraft that uses almost all of the available controls- though ideally you could profile any aircraft you wished),
clicking on the landing gear selects the gear assignment, then push the button that you wish to assign - graphic: the landing gear goes up to confirm selection.

for the engine controls, graphical zoom in on the throttle quadrant and associated controls, click on the labeled item, assign button

For the bombardier controls the same. Graphical zoom in on the equipment in the cockpit, direct assigning of controls via mouse + game device button.

This would be so much more interesting and intuitive than the old IL2 "endless-scrolling until you get to the right control" exercise.

I know it's probably too late to suggest this, unfortunately.

C_G

i like the menus but the pictures, i like them all but shot_20101117 is my favourites, when i get this sim i may just spend first couple of weeks making screenies:grin:

I think a combination of both for sure. The flight path of bullets gets very erratic when the mach barrier is crossed as they slow, after only 2 or 3 seconds of flight time. Add the sideways movements of the platform, caused by the firing of guns themselves. Another factor being any sideslip of the aircraft during the firing, introducing strong crosswind on the projectile. These would all combine to give a pronounced image to the viewer.:grin:

Very nice! I might sound like a broken record, but once again, this is one of the best updates to date. A good bit of information can be gleaned from those lovely screenies...

Agreed, there's no way that the spiral effect we see in film could be caused by camera shake...if it was then the spiral smoke effect produced earlier in the flight of the shell would not be there in the subsequent frames..but it is.

I don't believe all tracers produced this spiral but some of the larger calibre ones definitely did. How it was produced I have no idea. We've seen balistic studies on this forum recently showing that bullets/shells do gyrate around an axis in flight but I can't believe this wobble was very large. Perhaps it becomes larger as the flight time increases and energy is lost?

Could such a noticeable spiral be reached?
Maybe....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aqJw...E3248F&index=7

I can't say whether this is the camera shake causing the effect, but then maybe this is modelled in SoW? In the same way that the different prop-visuals are modelled dependent on the speed the player sets the game to....?
Quite interesting, I can't wait to see this in-game.

For sure this would be more interesting than a list BUT you'd need a knowledge of the arrangement and controls of the aircraft in the picture in order to use it. The list works well in my opinion. I like the clean look of the interface too. Much more professional looking than a picture of a book open on an old desk like some have suggested. Just my opinion of course;)

Items would be labeled... in any case, I think development has gone too far for energy to be put into the sort of feature I suggest.

If I were to decide between the present type of list (modern/clean) vs. "faux historic" I would go for modern/clean.

WOW the ammount of controls is insane, so for everybody like me
that was concern about the complexity of the sim, now i can do nothing
more than no sleep till have this sim in my PC.


Flying in full real will be a total new experience for MP and SP

Oleg how many axis we can control??? need to know as i'm building a
control box with axis.

REGS

POTZ

Menus must be functional, and a game/simulator immersive. Leave menus be. Respect typography. :)

I don't see how camera shake can explain a continuous spiral pattern in the tracer smoke as shown in that video. It would explain the wiggly tracer light, but that isn't a spiral effect -- it is an erratic wiggle. But for the tracer smoke, as the camera moves across the scene, the smoke remains in its spiral pattern.

I assume the spiral pattern comes from tracer rounds that tumble.

The corkscrew tracer smoke is much too regular to be caused by a shaking camera. And if that was the case, they would be in synch with the distortion of the tracer images - hard to compare for sure with low-res youtube clips but it certainly doesn't look like that. I have no doubt that this is a real effect, not a perceived one.

I can see a massive profile being created for my CH controllers. :D

Looking good!

I mean the question of the day is....

shall I purchase this year some "whatever" - christmas presents or shall I wait for the release of BOB SOW? That would be a real good gift :-P
Oleg would appreciate your advise ;)

Thanks for a upcoming great simulation

Best regards and have a good weekend

Manni

Another variation on the theme of assigning buttons to events which might be possible to set up would be to link the clickable cockpit to the controls menu in such a way that when the mouse selected the cockpit switch an option was given to enter and save key strokes/joystick buttons to the controls menu. A subsequent selection of that switch would also show the saved keys/buttons. This display could be turned off. This way it would be much quicker and easier to assign keys to events and it provides a ready reminder of the keys assigned any time in game. Some keys would be common to all planes and so would only need entering once for all whilst others would be common to a type of plane such as a bomber and a few may be unique to only one particular plane. This would give complete freedom to select and click switches in the cockpit when appropriate but use keyboard/controller buttons in a dogfight.

I love the "rifling" in the smoke,nice touch.:)

Well, in 40's aircraft gun barrels aren't rifled?

If so, the projectiles came out of the barrel spinning, maybe because that we see the smoke spirals, isn't?

If I can remember, the first time I saw this "spiral" effect moddled in a game was in FarCry, in the sniper rifle projectiles. Very nice touch!

Love the screens.

Can't believe the spiraling tracers is still even under debate. It's a fact.

Lots of things contribute, wing vibration, airflow across the guns, uneven burning of the tracer round, G-force, barrel condition and barrel rifling all contribute to this effect. Most bullets used at the time were also tail heavy (so they tumble easier) which can exagerate the wobble.

thanks for the HUGE updat Oleg i am so excited right now have a good week

Fantastic update, thanks Oleg !

Thanks, all, for the input on the tracers. :D Lots of helpful knowledge shared here.
Winny, I wasn't sure on the issue mate. I've had many people swear against the spiralling tracers, stating that the effect is down to the camera shake in gun-cam videos. As has been shown, a lot of evidence suggests that this might have added to the effect, but the effect is definately there ;)

To be Devil's advocate, how large can the spiral get? I'd imagine it's a lot smaller for the .303's and gun-cam videos that I've seen would support this.

Thanks in-advance.
I love the contrails too, they look great.

Oleg, are all effects shown 3D?

'Kin ell, I will need a seperate keyboard just for the commands.............

Many thanks gents

Spiral size is dependant on the size of the projectile. Because they travel nose first they can only spiral by a few degrees off centre before they nose would drop too far and the bullet would start to tumble (nose over tail). The zig-zag effect you sometimes see is due to camera shake but as your video shows, no ammount of shaking camera can recreate a spiral smoke trail.

I'm 99% certain that the spiralling effect in the tracer smoke is down to rifling of the barrel causing the rounds to spin, rather than any camera-shake effect.

I'm really happy that this effect is modelled (visible on many gun-camera films from this era), but as Oleg has said previously all different types of round are modelled - previous tracers showed simple light-streaks with no smoke. I have no doubt that all are modelled accurately.

I'm a little bit surprised at some of the reactions to the spiral tracer smoke though - when the previous tracers were shown there was a chorus of voices asking where was the smoke?!?

Yes, the spiralling effect in the tracer smoke is because of the rifling of the barrel...absolutely:grin:

Once again, thankyou everyone :D Saves Oleg some time answering, too.

I really like the little JG 26 Crow. One of my favorite insignias. So whimsical.

Where's the problem, use a flip switch, up and down each give the same signal, just like in IL2.

The only thing you should make sure is, that the switch is in down position before you lift off - can't go wrong.


Edit: No, I'm wrong.
In fact I would love to able to abort the retraction/extension process in midaction too.

I think he's funny

I think the debate was about whether the smaller RAF 303 rounds should have smoking tracers or not. In IL2 they didn't while the larger rounds did.

I've seen plenty of footage of smoke trails coming from 303 rounds but I'm sure as Oleg says, different tracers had different properties and some types may have been smokeless.

I wonder what exacly mean and in which plane is such control:

Throttle War Emergency Power ??

I know 109 and Spit control panel and never see such thing?

I think generally this was achieved by moving the throttle to its maximum position. In some aircraft a thin wire was in place which had to be broken before the emergency power could be activated. This also told the ground crew that the engine may have been stressed in combat. I'm no expert though!

I'm sure other factors were at play too as others have recently mentioned. The rifling of the barrel spins the bullet but it takes other factors to exagerate that spin and make it gyrate to the extent we're seeing in the films.

Yes, like these and others no doubt::grin:

(quote)SliipBall
I think a combination of both for sure. The flight path of bullets gets very erratic when the mach barrier is crossed as they slow, after only 2 or 3 seconds of flight time. Add the sideways movements of the platform, caused by the firing of guns themselves. Another factor being any sideslip of the aircraft during the firing, introducing strong crosswind on the projectile. These would all combine to give a pronounced image to the viewer.:grin: __________________

I believe that in the USA they speak English. There is no such language as 'US'.

It's such a shame that the main tutor of English in the World today is Microsoft Word.....

Please don't start Philip. This is a ludicrous question that will waste Oleg's time when he answers and you strike up a conversation. What do you want to know? If the relationship between the gunner arm length and harness release is realistically modelled, and their personality included in an algorithm to work out when they decide to try it so that we have an historically accurate chance of a rear gunner bailing out?

Whoops:oops: Sorry Slipball, yes, those other factors you've already mentioned!

Not read the thread yet but I had to post after seeing that Boulton Paul Defiant!! I've loved that aircraft ever since I was a kid!! Is it flyable?? Is it, well, is it?? Please, I wanna fly it!!!

Bear in mind that there may be features listed here that will be applicable for future developments in the series. For instance there is facility to control 8 engines - obviously for the future as there are no 8-engine aircraft in the Battle of Britain.

I'm not sure I understand why there are so many comments on the spiral smoke. We have it in the FB already. Or am I missing something?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...5BESTrough.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...grab0056-1.jpg

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...7&d=1290177860

Looks like the ship in this pic may be taking avoiding action?

Certainly seems to be moving to port. Nice! (a little difficult to say for certain admittedly, but another advance over il2 if so)

My main reason for mentioning it was that a lot of people queried why it wasn't there when the previous tracers were shown.

English spelling is used in Canada and also I want to smack a kid when he says "Zee" instead of "Zed" Zee is a US invention.

"Zed's dead, Baby. Zed's dead." :)

Tracers if I may summarize:

Yes, all of those guns are rifled (someone asked). The bullets are spinning around the longitudinal axis (basically). The spirals of smoke you see are from chemicals within the tracer rounds burning. The spiral effect is probably because the escaping gases from the burning chemicals are coming through an offset hole in the back of the projectile.

The rear end of the projectile itself is definitely NOT rotating that far off center. The smoke/spiral effect is just enhanced as the smoke spreads. If bullets wobbled that much they would lose energy far too quickly (like round balls shot out of a smooth bore).

Camera shake is something entirely different. When the camera is shaking due to subsequently fired rounds, the rounds appear to zigzag or vibrate.

Not all tracers trail clearly visible smoke. It depends on the chemicals used (as does color). There is a lot of guncam footage from American planes where little to no smoke is visible.

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjr8ZtEcrtE

Personally, I hate the smoke from German ammo. Way too much I think but from guncam footage I have seen, probably pretty close to accurate.

Splitter

Americns!! lol

I think these Ilya posts are what I have missed the most since the old days...haha

Is that related to aircraft carriers?

And I hope the Defiant can be flyable at some pack.Being gunner of a flying Flakvierling would be really mean!

nice cannon tracers shoots

oleg, hurry up with Battle of Britain and start with Battle of moscow.

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http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/...fighter-04.png
:-P

well - that way you would only have half of your setting profile done at best---

seriously - I think that getting the profile how you want it is one of the more fun aspects of setting up a new flight sim.....

who was smoking a tracer?

careful - might end up with 'single ground crew remove and break shoes' er sumpn...

better cancel the project - thanks Ilya

this is all way too important to ignore in a flight sim - if this isn't done to my liking I'm going to take up golf...and I feckin HATE golf!

I love the Defiant too...because I heckled the fugly thing on the old forum once and got yelled at by all the Brits - nice teeth fellas

yeah - just model it accurately - turret latch damaged - gunner trapped inside to the end.

they couldn't get out of those turrets in flight with all that gear on while flying sedately in a straight line - how would anyone expect them to get out with the plane in a death spiral?

Excellent update!! Thanks Oleg!

No North Africa first

Let's have none of this colonialist nonsense over spelling conventions! Far too many 'zeds' and far too few 'ewes'!!

oh I cant tell you all how sweet it is to be back in here reading the Friday Updates.

its absolutely GOLDEN


great update pics Oleg - I like the GUI the way it is...and if the background pic can be personalized that would be cool too - whatever

...could this sim be closer to release than anyone suspects?

+1 for Ilya's humorous postings..keep up the great work people

This friday updates are getting better and better.
Not only for the superb screenshots but we have a lot or fun too in some people demands...:-P
I'm already seeing Oleg and Ilya running wild in the office trying to find a picture of a pilot bailing out in the "right"
style...:rolleyes:

one last remark though and I think it bears consideration.

haircuts

if the Brit pilots have German haircuts or the German pilots have English styles - or they all look Ukrainian I will not be buying this sim period - I don't care what kind of smoke the tracers have or that I can have rainbow tracer loadouts

one wrong haircut and I'm out - in the old sim they all had Russian flight helmets, made me sick! so I'm sure this time you guys will get that right at least - but the hair under those helmets?? we shall see

If this is off the topic say "yes" below and I'll wipe it out no problem :)

I'm sure when this sim comes out all of the friends and people who flew in the big servers in the Hyperlobby will find each other right away in a matter of days. Spits VS 109s, Warclouds ect. I say for the blue side we all follow the original plan in the never ending bomber night mission that will probably be going on in Spits VS 109s. Forget London. Leave it alone! I'd like to see what happens to these air fields under constant harasment. I think they get big holes in them do they not? I wonder what would happen if we all went on for about a week. Would the blue side just make a terrible mess of fighter command?

Well, there's always Douglas Bader and his Big Wing from 12 Group!!:grin:

There is some interesting information in this thread (last page is about the fairings):

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=101278

"There are two other mechanisms, which control or are controlled by the turret rotation, the details are in the same AP.
1. Cam-operated air valves which control air cylinders that raise or lower the movable fairings. There are 2 valves one for each fairing. A gunner-operated lever extends an extra portion of the cam to allow the appropriate fairing to be raised when the guns are stowed. This lever covers the main switch to prevent the turret from being turned when the guns are stowed; it is labelled fairings up/down but actually has no effect when the turret is in any other rotational position.
2. There is a mechanical device that prevents rotation over the forward fixed portion of the fairing unless the guns are elevated enough to clear. There is provision for the guns to be lowered to the stowed position, this is where the electrical interrupter is required.."



Two ways to exit a Defiant!!!

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i2...xtraturret.jpg




It seems the pilot could also fire the (turret) guns!!!!:

"There was a threeway "gunner master switch" on the right hand side of the instruments in front of the gunner - when set to "off" there was no power in the circuit, when set to "gunner" HE fired the guns, and when set to "pilot the pilot could fire the guns from a standard firing button on his control column.
Ideally, if a gunner was injured he was supposed to traverse the turret to forward, and elevate the guns to 19 degrees or over (20 degrees or below was the best-fit angle for no-allowance shooting, apparently...but under 19 degrees and the prop gets it anyway! ) then transfer control of the guns to the pilot."
(Now I really want it to be flyable) :-)




There is information on the cut-out device for guns (to avoid self-shooting):

"A serious inaccuracy is the statement that “the Defiant had specific electric cut out or insulation points around the ring so as to prevent the gunner from shooting off parts from his own aircraft”. This quote is taken from page 31 of Mark Ansell’s otherwise excellent book on the BP Defiant. In fact the Defiant is fitted with a sophisticated interrupter gear, which allows independent control of the left and right hand pairs of guns in both rotation and elevation. It consists of a brass cylinder with a pair of sliding contacts (one for each pair of guns) that are moved via a cable according to the guns elevation. A chain drive rotates the cylinder in synchronisation with the turret. Insulated areas on the cylinder isolate the gun circuits as required. The contacts control the guns through relays thus reducing arcing around the insulated areas.
There are only two insulated areas for each gun one to avoid hitting the tail the other a small strip that prevents firing when the guns are in the forward stowed position. The interrupter gear is described in AP 1659C, Vol 1, Chap 3. The interrupter gear end is just visible at the top centre of the top photo on page 69 of Mark Ansell’s book.. It is also visible just under the turret ring immediately to the right of the ammunition boxes in the lower left photo on page 72."

Diagram:

http://forum.keypublishing.com/attac...2&d=1288746934

Roger that :)

I think this way Fighter Command will have to figure out how to watch over those fields the best they can but also try to stop the bombers before they come in. You'll have to really think and really fight hard! Split into two main groups maybe.

Jees I can't wait for this thing to come out LOL

Really? They have to animate the gunner's exit from the aircraft anyway. It wouldn't take a horrible amount of time to just make the first part of the animation slower.

Defiant walkarounds showing the inside of the turret (from a link in my previously posted link)

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=31021

Will there be an option to map different keys for different planes?

Are the key mappings universal for all planes? It would be much easier if you can choose the desired aircraft to map keys for, also when you select a certain aircraft the controls that don't pertain to that plane can disappear or at least be grayed out so it would be easier to identify the features of that plane without having to have a pilot manual or be an expert on that plane

small features like this just make sense and make the game more streamlined and user-friendly

With all these comments and suggestions, I will be suprised if SOW is released before 2020.

not to worry - they instead have learned how to bail out of these threads in the right style

the sim will be on time - or it will be canceled

thanks Ilya

I agree 100%!

I respectfully suggest that we let OM and his team be "allowed" to complete the project without being asked to do time-consuming "nice to have's" - these can be the subject of future patches/add-on's!

Fantastic update. Tells us all kinds of stuff.

That pic of the distant aircraft leaving contrails... Twin engines, narrow fuselage, broad wings with pointed tips and straight, twin tail. Are those Hampdens?

Good suggestion here, as long as i wouldn't have to map everything from scratch for every single aircraft. Maybe having a universal, base file or the ability to copy control schemes between planes would help with that, so that we wouldn't have to map universal controls like gear and flaps every time.

For example, i set everything up in the base control scheme, then select a hurricane and see i'm missing some controls, but not all of them (since the basic ones are covered in the base control scheme). I then go into the options screen and start a hurricane specific control scheme. The interface "reads" the information from the base file and transfers the universal control assignments, then i only define the missing controls that are specific to this aircraft and save it as "hurricane".

Ilya, for SOW to be cancelled now would be near criminal. I have been playing flight sims since the first PCs and this game looks stunning, a real credit to you guys, I have never been excited about a games release, but you have something special here and i am very excited about it.

PS. work some overtime..haha

Thankyou yet again Oleg, for taking time out of your schedule to post updates.

Merci beaucoup.

As a born Canadian, "Zed" always sounded stupid to me. I avoid it like the plague.

Shouldn't you yanks be busy getting excited about the new royal engagement? :rolleyes:

Have you people lost the plot? Let me get this straight. We have a BP Defiant being shot down and you want Oleg to divert project and hardware resources into modelling the various problematic scenarios that a rear gunner may or may not have in getting out?? :confused:

I suppose you want the gunner actually modelled so that if he's hit in the lung he has breathing trouble, or perhaps he can get concussion. I know, how about we model that he's having girlfriend trouble and his mind isn't quite on the job because of the tears in his eyes :rolleyes:

Thanks, deffy shots look fantastic although those 109s are a tad close! :eek: Hope the AI isn't in ramming mode!?

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I assumed they were 110s, but on a closer look? Flying in vics and the plan of the trailing edge of the wings is more Hampden-like (or maybe just a trick of perspective).

I don't know.

Surely they wouldn't spring a surprise like that at this stage?

:) I'm not usually one to fall into the wilder 'speculation' that can come up here.

A moment's weakness ;)

LOL! You're funny, I disagree though. The spiralling tracer effects is really of utmost importance and making sure those spirals are 100% correctly modeled has to be regarded as no.1 priority. If I don't get my spirals then purchase of this SIMULATION is out of the question, spirals spirals spirals....spirals!

P.S All germans shall have mullet haircuts and the english shall have...whatever haircut they have in that foul weather of theirs.

These screenshots just keep getting better- the one of the Defiant being tailed by two 109's is extraordinary. Without too much effort that could be used by a movie studio- the lighting, atmospheric distortions, horizon etc look fantastic. The only obvious giveaway is the lack of antialiasing.
Oleg, this is looking like a masterpiece- the motion blur on the propellor is nearly perfect. I think i recall a previous statement that the virtual shutter-speed could be adjusted to get just the effect that the artist wanted.
I cant wait to see the damage modelling in action- the fragments raised at the wingtip look very realistic. I wonder are they pre-rendered or will each damage effect be unique/different?

[QUOTE=kendo65;199695]I assumed they were 110s, but on a closer look? Flying in vics and the plan of the trailing edge of the wings is more Hampden-like (or maybe just a trick of perspective).

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It's a BR.20 Not a Bf110 or a Hampden.

[QUOTE=Daniël;199705]:oops: Forgot about the Italians. Oh well, there goes another conspiracy theory...:)

A quick question Oleg please....

It's my understanding that .303 ammo would at best make lots of small holes in an airframe and hopefully some of those holes would be in vital equipment and fuel and oil lines which could be ignited by the incendiary rounds. I also remember you saying that in SoW rifle caliber ammo will make a small hole exactly where it hits while cannon shells will produce more visible damage such as the large holes and torn skin we see in the He 111 shot.

What I'm wondering is what produced the damage we see in that shot of the heavily damaged He 111? There is a .303 equipped Spitfire behind it but the damage is not consistent with those guns.

Was it flak perhaps or another cannon armed Spitfire nearby?


Thanks!

As Heywoood said, the problem was in getting out of the turret! Many couldn't fit through the tight opening (if they were lucky to get it open) and in most cases it just wouldn't open. The parasuit helped them to fit through, but that was only given that they were able to open the damned thing!
Consequently, many parasuits were given out to other members of bomber-command because they were in surplus (a shame they aren't in surplus today! :D )

Sorry, I can see the misunderstanding.

There was only one squadron operating cannon armed 1b's during the battle, and these usually jammed, to the extent that 19 squadron demanded their .303's back.
Eight .303's toed in to converge at a point at 200 yards have more effect than people tend to give them credit for.:)

Hi Oleg, thanks for the update, i have a question though regarding pic number 5 of the third set, the shot up heinkel shows some wonderful damge features on the tail and on the fuselage, but on the wings it looks like some big ink splodges, is this just a detail setting or is it still WIP. Thank you.

I guess 8 rapidly firing guns might be able to put a lot of lead in one area. I can see panels popping off under such a barrage. What I can't see is large holes appearing in the skin which to me is more consistent with an explosive charge exploding on contact or beneath the skin.

The few photos I've seen of German aircraft downed during the BoB show lots of small holes and tears in the skin. The holes often look larger due to the flaking paint around the entry hole. Skin may lift due to rivets popping but I haven't seen big holes caused by .303s yet.

Would be nice to see some real life damage shots posted here if anyone has any please.:grin:

Cheers

In one of the privious Friday updates there were some nice pictures of damage to planes posted by Xilon X, but I don't know which Friday update.

I failed to post before and this reply wil be at the 20th page. I hope you still reading Oleg...

I may have failed to read, but I saw only what apparently is a toggle for the undercarriage. To have separate UP and DOWN commands for the Undercarriage instead of using the same key, would be very beneficial for the simpit builders out there.

Please, consider it...

On the ground, one would have to flip switches to match the condition of the aircraft spawn in game - otherwise you would have reversed states. This can be an issue if a mission have planes attached do another, in-flight, or for an airstart mission. However, this suggestion is a practical low cost approach that shouldn't be discarded. It's very cost-effective, for its compromise.

Blackdog is right. There are some boards out there that act the way a simpit needs: they send one pulse of a user programmed key when the switch is flipped and another when it is flipped back. By sending a key instead of having it "pressed" all the time, it avoids "shrinking" of the keyboard or matrix conflicts... and depending on the project, it won't drain excessive current.

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