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I don't usually comment on the updates, but this one looks great, some real progress and all the shots look like it'll be a hell of a sim.
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Oleg, thank you for the glimpse into the "bones" of the game. The most important picture posted, IMHO, is the QMB interface. The way it looks makes it apparent that a lot of thought has gone into the structure of the game and not just the graphics. VERY promising.
Of course, the other pics are outstanding too. Can't wait! Splitter |
Does anyone know if the buildings will have multiple damage models. I remember waaaay back in the early dev screens, there was a screen of a building with 3 different levels of damage w/debris around it as it fell.
This was not an animation but different models. I would want to imagine the CPU power you would need to animate falling buildings. Greg |
The interface looks too modern...it is not immersive this way. I´d try something like a map background or rof style hangar or even some plain light brown colour.
Else wery nice update |
Too many brilliant elements in each picture to comment on them all- the smoke details in the 2nd shot are worth a whole thread on their own!
The shadow of the stuka is inspiring, i can easily see the shadow of the crew! The potential of this game engine to create movies is almost overwhelming. The only thing missing is people (except the pilots)- the shots look a little sterile without them. Will the vehicles have soldiers/crew in them, or will the restrictions on 'gore' mean it will be too risky for game classification? |
AWESOME...Storm of war finally looks like storm of war....thankyou:grin:
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Variable grass - is something much better than expected.
Now all that we need is transparency towards the tips of the trees (for the medium/lower LoDs) and the engine will be pretty much perfect. Nice surprises. The interface is also stunning (but will it be able to match 4.10 for functionality? Do we care if it is pretty enough? I'm just happy) |
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Better and better. Your work on color palette is starting to show. Keep with it. Nice to see a UI shot. Some multiplay info would be good at this point. |
One question! In the screen shots showing the water we see many whitecaps on the waves. Is this indicative of wind speed/direction?
I spend more than the time than many ditching and crash landing :) so visual indicators would be of benifit. Cheers! |
Absolutely Fantastic!
Cannot wait! Just think, in the future, games like this will be blended with Movies so we can make and watch our own high quality animated WWII air battle films! .. but by that time none of the younger generation will know what WWII was! .. is that World Warcraft 2 ?????? :( . |
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Impressive, a mayor improvement on good old IL2.
Im sure people who are playing old IL2 will be very impressed. However I can only give real opinion when the game is on my harddrive ready to be played. Now the pics show great improvent not jawdropping (ground)graphics like farcry2 or crysis2 or whatever but for a flightsim very good. Can't wait for the games released after BOB , i'm sure Oleg won't settle down and retire after finishing BOB. I know this can become much much better in future game releases. but please no console only games, pc rules always. |
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It's one of those 'Iron Building' :grin: on an AEC London bus Chassis (LPTB) http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Iron2.jpg http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Iron.jpg ... |
I usually don't comment on the weekly updates, (or anything else really, as evidenced by my postcount...) because by the time I usually get to the threads, everything I was thinking has been posted already.
But this time I felt I had to, because this has to be one of the best updates yet, if not the best. The planes and vehicles look insanely nice as usual, but this time the colors look really squared away as well. The graphics would get no complaints from me if the game was released with the graphics as they are in this update. Seeing the menu shot was really encouraging as well, even with all those newfangled fonts :-P I fully trust you guys to come up with something more period appropriate by release time :grin: |
Beautiful. I'm just afraid what CPU & graphic would be necessary to run it...
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Well, well, well, some constructive critics...my 2 pence! ;)
Strange - the falling Ju-88 has lost his right engine - but the falling engine have NO propeler blades at all!!!
Some tiny features, which will give more imersion - what about AI flies flying in to the cockpit, and perching on to the front glass? ...Or some buterflys flyng over the flight field, some flowers around too. An AI fly is easy - it have the same intelect of Il2 AI drone. Just copy and paste it. Oleg, show us some bomb models, and explosion models... And...may be it is not too late for third buch of photos!!! Something as "Saturday update". :) ~Cheers! |
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A computerscreen itself is also not immersive the way it looks... The way the interface looks now is no nonsense; just love it! Maybe they could make it customizable as for the plain color but if it comes with black only I'm a happy guy... ;) THX Oleg and crew for the update |
The possibility for customization like in win 7 is a good point. I somehow need to feel the history from the sim.
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Fighting at high altitude...
I'm very curious on how immersive would be an high altitude combat in SOW.
In Il2 series I found it very poor rendered; mostly due to wide FOW and the out scale maps (not 1:1) that rendered a too much aberrated horizon line. Flight models it selves IMAHO are irrealistic, impossible to conduct an high speed combats with no altitude loss. Many sources I read clearly show that during BoB interception and subsequents engagements were conducted at 20000ft 30000ft or above. Many operational reports say things like: blue section detached from top cover formation to attack a two-ship formation of Ju88 2000ft below, after the attack was conducted they rapidly rejoined the main formation. In Il2 when you loose your altitude, you are definitely isolated from your original package. At High altitude in Il2 seems to float in a too much instable atmosphere. In real WWII combat seems quite easy to perform a full-throttle climb and gain 2000 or 3000 ft. I hope SOW would reproduce honestly this situations. ....Sorry for The worst english I' m capable to write ;) Cheers |
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It isn't - it's the rough and ready 'throw a quickie together and don't worry about the fine-tuning' building tool for missions. For comparison see below the (4.10 updated) version from il2: From Oleg's first post some good improvements over (original) il2: - ability to import new QMB missions from the FMB - increased number of flights available (il2 was limited to 4 each side) |
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Oleg, I have been reseaching the flight-kit again, and I have been speeking with people who have had the pleasure of getting into the spitfire'c cokpit in flying gear, and each has said that it is is impossible for the pilot to wear an Irvin flying jacket. The cramped cockpit would make it impossible for the pilot to get the right-head movement which would be needed in combat.
I hope that this is useful information for you to use. A Hurricane pilot had the luxury of being able to wear an Irvin in the pit, but I would imagine this unlikely during the hot summer. ;) (also, if the pilot is fitting in the spit perfectly with the Irvin on, does this mean the pilot model is off? This isn't intended for another discussion on pilot size, but more a follow up question on whether layer clothing is modelled. We can see from one video that the parachute is a seperate model) :cool: |
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Trying to see if I figured out how in the heck how to use this attachment thing. If it's a thumbnail click and you'll see nice gray letters on that Spitfire. How do you keep the pic full size? I never have been able to figure this thing out. Just stupid I guess :(
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For comparisson/reference.
Dover and France looking South: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3644/...3d148c0e_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3525/...d52e086c_o.jpg Unsure of location here: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2606/...426d43.jpg?v=0 Larger: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2606/...a79fba6d_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3588/...b1cbd57c_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2650/...9b37b110_o.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2037/...e92cdf.jpg?v=0 |
Like the quick-fly GUI, fresh and punchy, but not particularily of the era but who knows if the campaign interface is a more tailored experience? Would be good to have crew for the ground vehicles, (after all the aircraft have crew).
That Spit's my desktop for the week, looks like Biggles copped a packet. I'm looking forward to seeing some more of the pyrotechnics, explosions, that sort of thing, how or if smoke columns interact with the environment, wind at differrent levels etc. Smashing update, keep 'em coming. |
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Aye, but in a combat situation it was a tough job. As you though, size can make a difference, but it is unlikely on most pilots. The colar of the Irvin is so large that it makes head movement really quite difficult. Having said that, I have seen a few pictures as you say of pilots wearing them in spits, but these may be staged... |
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It's a great winter jacket, and great if worn in a bomber, but for a fighter pilot it's an annoyance. Winter was a period when many RAF pilots wore them, but even then they preferred to layer up... |
Je veux jouer !
miam QMB : ) C'est pour Octobre ? ps : Excellent travail ! |
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As for the update itself, i can't comment on much that hasn't been already said. We are at a point where i think to myself "this is the best update thus far" and every subsequent Friday i think "after all, this week's update is even better than last week's". The pace of progress is not only evident, it seems to me like it has built up enough steam to come at a steady and fast pace. Friday after Friday, i get the idea we're getting closer to release. My guess is that unless something extraordinary happens, we'll be flying in SoW sometime until Christmas. Keep up the good work dev team. You've got a buyer here and i'm going to use SoW to drag some of my buddies into flight-sims as well and help sell more copies, thanks to the dual-control Tiger Moth. I can't wait to "train" these guys, letting them fly the Moth and getting us into trouble that i will have to get us out of, a whole new kind of challenge :grin: |
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In Piece of Cake, Robinson talks of the pilots cutting off their Irvin's collars. I do not know if this was official practice or not, but it's an interesting theory. It was a cumbersome Jacket, and I would not have enjoyed wearing it in a confined space. However, I have never expereinced the cold at altitude so I am not the best to judge. I can say though that a layer or thermals, pyjamas, Shirt, Frock, Service Dress and Mae West would have helped to combat the cold, although an Irvin would have done a better job. Another issue is that depending on the size of Mae West, it can be a tight fit fitting it over the Irvin. I also fail to mention that Prestige Suit or a Sidcot Suit would have done an OK job when worn over the aforementioned too, but a lot of pilots didn't favour the latter suit, with the former being more the choice of pilots from Auxillary/University Air Squadrons. At the end of the day it's all down to personal choice and comfort with the ultimate deciding factor being how well a pilot will operate in a combat situation. Alas, the latter reason proved to be many pilots downfall in the Battle when they refused to wear gauntlets or anything similar. Alternatively, I can imagine it can work the other way, with a chafed neck being the difference sometimes between life and death; hence a silk scarf. |
the aircraft in the selection panel - are those flyable aircraft or al?
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On the other-hand, it's a flight-sim so this is quite a small aspect of it... ;) Anyway, post-release all this stuff could be possible :cool: |
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I could live with that type of interface. It looks like they've put a lot of work into it.
But I agree it could look more 'period'. It can all be changed post-release though :D It looks quite polished as it is considering this is early BETA. |
For those unfamiliar with the Irvin Suit here is an advertisment from the 5 January 1939 issue of Flight Magazine.
http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/u...insuit1939.jpg |
Very interesting :D many thanks for that ;)
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Guys I got something for you!
I can feel it!!! I can feel it in the air! After all these YEARS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HLvz2c8SnQ THE FIRST FLIGHT IS COMING SOON! Enjoy it! Oleg, you are the man with the gun in to the air - shoot only when you are READY! ~Cheers! |
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Yes! Shoot only when you are READY! Мы будем ждать столько, сколько потребуется! |
I've done 3 so for. The first is not so good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzFnShk2OgI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRzRLwSbpQ4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scZ_1-lhsIE |
Actually the first 2 stink lol. You tend to get lazy in editing when putting the movie together making screens too long.
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Thanks Oleg,
The QMB WIP interface looks very good. I like the abiliity to import an FMB mission into the QMB and the the increase of flights from four. (There will need to be a limit?) I personally like using the QMB for testing aircraft through their flight envelope, honing my dogfighting skills and checking out map ground details. By easily importing an FMB mission, you will have a much bigger scenario to draw from. For newbies it is a great introduction to the simulation. I would be very interested in seeing some more detail of the FMB, if you can release them? All other pics looked great, particularly liked the high level shot of Kent and the Cliffs of Dover and the grass colours. Keep up the good work. DFLion |
The visual quality of those pics are much better than what I expected... no doubt.
Every time I follow a thread here, I'm reassured that guys posting are so far ahead of me, regarding their ability to discuss details of WWII period and related knowledge, that I often refrain from posting - as I would hardly add something new - I keep merely reading. However, as I'm not able to tell what type of jacket pilots used or what shade of plane markings were current, I tend to focus on what I easily notice: the simulation aspect. The simulation aspect of the flight simulator genre is what really attracts me and some that I fly with. I have some questions in the line of: - will ALL gauges work? As in, when a flag of a hit box is set and damage occurs, is it readable in the gauges. - will one be able to interface with 3rd party peripherals/instruments, so cockpit builders can fly their creations online (sort of a devicelink online)? - could system failures be scripted in the mission, so more interesting missions can be written? - will it have a training mode where student and instructor can watch the same, online, and knowledge be transmitted more efficiently? Share control when needed. and many, many more... For those I can't find an answer around. I better stop because the idea is not to create noise in the thread, but, just in case developers have some answers for the anxious simmer out there, I've wrote... té mais tityus |
i really hope the tanks arn't going to turn into High caliber AA batteries again and shoot down planes, seriously how many planes were shoot down by tanks main cannon, probably not more than 3 and even that i find hard to believe, but in il2 its almost one every other mission
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I like the interface, i hope the pilot career part of it has a detailed layout aswell, detailed with proper Stat tracking on all types planes shotdown, ground targets destroyed, medals aquired, and so forth..:)
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Bushes close to buildings like in this screen help a lot from having them look like lego.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...9&d=1284729602 The houses feel like they are a part of the map instead of just sitting on top of it. I'm wondering how far away until grass blades appear, from far away the terrain still looks flat in these WIP screens, yet close-up shots come alive with the various grasses and trees early stages of interface looks great |
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In the LIFE magazine shot of the Spit and crew, the grass looks very dry, almost tinder box dry I'd say.
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Great updated! Nice to see all the improvements from week to week.
Lots of details to notice in pics 2 and 3. - different types of smoke/vapour trails - reasonably sized fire - progressive damage. Looks like the bomber had a fuel leak which lead to the fire on the port engine. The engine+mount shook itself loose off the wing causing the plane to dive to the left due to he asymmetric thrust. Close to the sea the right engine seems to have started leaking coolant. - the spitfire seems to have take a few hits and the pilot looks like he's being pushed down by the g-forces. - the bullet holes in the canopy and the posture of the pilot suggest the Spitfire will be joining the Dornier in the drink before long A question about the Spitfire. Were the markings always aligned with the roundel? In this screenshot the A is not inline with the rest of the markings. Nice to see a non fiery dust explosion in the fourth shot. Beautiful lighting on the 109 in the fifth shot. Nice to see the cliffs visible from such a distance. The trees in this pic don't blend well with the ground and I think in motion, we'll see a moving ring of vegetation at the limits of the draw distance. Based on the recent terrain improvement I'm sure it'll be addressed. Blades of grass on what appears to be a paved road is a bit odd. Looks like someone mowed the grass and blew it on to the road. Strange thing about the column of vehicles. It appears it's the same column in all the pictures but in some pics, the white car (MG?) has been replaced by a tank. One of the things that really struck me in this update is the correct sense of scale and altitude. This is going to be a tremendous sim! Can't wait to fly it. |
Grass color...
At the time - August 1940, in which the Battle of Britain was held, the grass at the airfields have to be rather yellow than bright green!! Oleg, please mix the grass - yellow + green leaves - this will fix the things easily!
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You're nagging about dried grass? LOL
Thanks for the update devs! |
It makes a huge difference; Britain wasn't saturated during the summer, yet from the base-colour on the field textures that is the impression given at the moment.
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color of grass
ok maybe we have become too demanding, due the quality of Friday updates.
Maybe to be so faultfinding about the 'color of grass' is an exageration...but one of the reason why (for me) Il2 has lost its charm is the lack of evocative power, the landscape is no more immersive, or involving. You fly ETO or PTO mission and it's all the same.... New Guinea=Kent=Rhur valley=Kursk and so on. Grass colour for sure concurs in those differences. I can not even imagine how hard is recreate such differences in a video game. I'm sure OM is well considering to achive such results. In this regard I hope SOW will be implemented with adeguate comms menu and in flight voices. I like too much in games voices and comms in Shockwaves BoBII, doesn't you? They well focused on details like English slang and typical Brit accent. I'm not anglophone but spoken English is a must. Cheers |
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Hi All,
For information the Spit LIFE pic in this thread looks like one that I posted over at UBI and SiMHQ in a couple of threads. I have tweaked it in Photoshop. To the best of my knowledge the original looks like this: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...bfa8_large.jpg As you can see though the grass is still more yellow than green. RedToo. |
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I don't know about the gauges, but i guess that most of them will work correctly. As for the gauges registering damage and helping you judge the situation of your aircraft (because that's what gauges are for in reality), i think this is a part of the new damage model. So for example, if your oil lines are hit your oil pressure gauges will probably start dropping. Devicelink improvements have been talked about by the developer team, so i guess that what you say is going to be possible. As for scripted failures now. There was talk about a difficulty setting for single player/offline flying that will present random failures depending on how you use your aircraft in the campaign, but i don't know if it's confirmed or any other details. As for scripted events, this falls under the use of triggers in the mission builder and i guess that since IL2 is getting triggers in the FMB by team daidalos, it's a safe bet to assume that SoW will feature triggers as well. So, it looks like it's going to be possible to have scripted failures. Finally, this is the only part that i can safely say has been more or less confirmed. We will be getting a two-seater Tiger Moth and we'll be able to use it to train other people online. I think this is also possible for other multi-crewed aircraft, so for example some people could fly as gunners in a bomber. |
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If there's anything adding to a gloomy atmosphere, it's... gloomy colors, somewhat greyish like in this picture. Personally if I had anything to say about it... I'd rather keep them under-saturated instead of too vivid. (an OT example of perfect mood is RTCW, which had a very grey colorpalette combined with great sounds and stunning in-game music, which is the reason I still love that game) Great picture that captures drama very well. I just noticed that at least 5 guys are servicing that spit... |
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I have known about this FSX addon for a while now, and apparently it's awesome ( I can't comment first hand though )
It's called Real-Environment-Xtreme (REX) and it looks quite amazing. Just look at those clouds :o http://www.realenvironmentxtreme.com/ Take a look chaps. With SoW apparently third party friendly, something like this could be a future possibilty (unless the team make the most jaw-dropping clouds ever...) I mean, with SoW's particle physics, working in collaboration with a company like this could produce great results (although maybe not free results...) |
Yeah, these clouds are absolutely crazy cool, previous products also had similar features... really cool! Been playing FSX for a while but never had that stuff due to lack of money...:(
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Why does the water not show any effect to the crashing plane.
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A question to Oleg and dev' team:
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