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Deascendent 12-08-2009 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SgtPappy (Post 126285)
Dude gtfo now. :-P
Dude YWBWLALB if 360 got the patch first too.

trk29 12-08-2009 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Lexandro (Post 126201)
Have you tried mapping the trim to the pads L3 button? Would that work or not?
I haven't tried any mapping except for my pc joystick.

Robotic Pope 12-08-2009 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Deascendent (Post 126288)
Dude YWBWLALB if 360 got the patch first too.

*(you would be whining like a little *****)
Deascendent don't act like an ass. There a plenty of 360 people on this forum that aren't whining. In fact I think you are the one one, the rest of us 360 guys have said "oh good its finaly out on PS3 is it good?". So how can you say sgt Pappy would also be whinning if it came out on 360 first when the odds would be against this?

monyetension 12-08-2009 03:01 AM
Update 1.01
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trk29 (Post 126289)
I haven't tried any mapping except for my pc joystick.
well bro, its seem that my Thrust Master RnD mapping goes on par wiv DS3 by now...I'd buy it from amazon around 2 weeks ago, it was kinda pain in da arse coz they didn't ship to asia, but sumhow i'd manage to get a favor from my friend that live in US help sort up for me...

but then...atleast diz time i don't need to remapping each time i'd play others game after remapping & need to remap again on IL2: BoP...

i'll try to utilize da extra R2 & L2 on sumting...ATM still akward using it...:rolleyes:

thanks bro for the recomendation luv it...;)

Flyboy69 12-08-2009 03:03 AM
When will the update with cockpits be out?

Robotic Pope 12-08-2009 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyboy69 (Post 126292)
When will the update with cockpits be out?
your guess is as good as anybody elses unfortunately

kozzm0 12-08-2009 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by InfiniteStates (Post 126261)
The P51 is certainly capable in terms of handling, but as armaments go its like a neutered Hurricane.
What you don't like 500lb bombs or vicious rows of 10 HVAR's? It's a murderous attack plane, better armed than a stormovik.

I hope they didn't make p51 close to the spitfire though. It's max sustained turn is 24s while the spit's is 19s. It should not be gaining degrees on a spit in a loop chase. Getting angles on a spit or la5 should require some very clever 3d maneuvering for p51, or of course an good angle to start with.

But for those who like p51's, here is where I found the best info on its turning abilities. All the original Republic tests show nothing but climb rate, airspeed, drag, etc.

http://www.combatsim.com/htm/nov98/energy-man2.htm

Check out the last charts of the bf109's, too. The p51 can get angles on a 109 at lower speeds, but at higher speeds the 109's get the angles. Right about even depending on tactics. Also the F4 is waaay better than the g-6 at degrees/s, especially at lower speeds.

Quote:
Originally Posted by trk
You are wrong try the custom layout 3 the rudders are not on and off with control pad.
yeah I done figgered that out eventually but unfortunately everything else is so different that I can't use that layout online. Having a real rudder is important, but it turns out I need that fine throttle control more. Especially now that it's easier to disappear while your opponent has blackout vision. Also kept looking at the map when it was time to fire.

Riceball 12-08-2009 03:15 AM
Good to see the patch is out. I hope MS puts it on the fast track.

It's been a while, and I'm ready to get back up.

trk29 12-08-2009 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk (Post 126228)
AM I SERIOUSLY THE ONLY SIM PLAYER THAT'S BEEN CALLING FOR A NON-CLICKABLE RIGHT STICK LOOK AROUND FUNCTION ASWELL AS A WORKABLE ZOOM?????
Can no one find a work around with this so-called total customizable mapping feature?
As trk29 has documented, the best SIM pad layout is the default 3 map but the zoom is on the square button & so is completely impractible to use when scanning around or manouevring etc.
I have spent the evening copying that otherwise workable map to the custom page & wish to put the zoom to the L3 (thumbstick click as this is redundant on SIM in this map) but whatever is attempted, the f****** zoom (the most wanted mappable button for SIM players with pads)will NOT register, no matter what button you assign zoom to (but will register in arcade & realistic, the modes that don't even require this due to the padlock view). I have tried disabling one zoom button (as the map contains 2 zoom slots & 2 target cam slots), then the other, & even mirroring the same button to both zooms but IT WILL NOT WORK.

This was the only button needed for SIM players who wanted the dedicated Rightstick look around & it's beyond frustration that, still, it is the only function that can't be customized.
PLEASE HELP. I'm hoping it's just me missing something stupid here!!!:(
Hey I tried to get the click on R3 to work for zoom and other buttons and I figured out the same thing as you it works on arcade and realistic but not sim. Hope fully Anton will read this and provide us with a answer.

So I don't know why the zoom function is not working.


EDIT: I just noticed something with the P-51. I remapped the custom and when I fly this plane with this layout the plane stalls just like before, if I pause the game and go back to default 3 mapping the plane doesn't stall.
All sensitivities stay the same... Weird.

Cavefish 12-08-2009 04:06 AM
I'm using the Thrustmaster stick.
The braking at 0% throttle doesn't seem to be working. Is anyone else having problems braking with a flight stick or do I have something set up wrong with my custom layout?

BTW - Awesome job on the update Devs!
Love everything else about it.

xX-SiLeNcE-Xx 12-08-2009 04:42 AM
Do I smell another ban? XD

trk29 12-08-2009 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by kozzm0 (Post 126295)


yeah I done figgered that out eventually but unfortunately everything else is so different that I can't use that layout online. Having a real rudder is important, but it turns out I need that fine throttle control more. Especially now that it's easier to disappear while your opponent has blackout vision. Also kept looking at the map when it was time to fire.
Im liking this layout the only thing that is really different is the throttle buttons and the rudder buttons. I didn't like my throttle staying at mid throttle. To each his own.

irrelevant 12-08-2009 05:15 AM
my two cents:

i absolutely love this game. seriously, with the scoring fixed in MP and the blackout/redout, i was having so much fun tonight. AND! now i can have free look and the ability to land in sim! woo!

i don't know if it was just me, but some of the planes really seem to haul booty now. when i was flying the 190 d9, i couldn't believe how fast it seemed to be.

i had joss ackland's voice in the back of my head the whole time... "EPIC DOGFIGHTS!" :evil::evil::evil:

:cool:

SgtPappy 12-08-2009 05:31 AM
How does the Anton handle?

I'm hoping to get online at least once after school's out. I hope to duel some of the upgraded planes.

Mr_Steven 12-08-2009 05:56 AM
Do the planes still have to be either within 100 feet or beyond 5 miles to be visible?

FilthyPrick 12-08-2009 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Steven (Post 126320)
Do the planes still have to be either within 100 feet or beyond 5 miles to be visible?
Nope, this is fixed unless I am imagining things. Also, last night was excellent - never had so many players around at one time or such short waits for a session on sim.

Thnks Anton and crew - the game is now worthy of your efforts - will pat for the DLC tonight as promised:-)

philabong2 12-08-2009 06:29 AM
great games tonight! handling is much better on P-51, blackouts do take this game to another level tho i didnt managed to totally phase out in prolonged high G turns , got the tunnel vision but never totally blacked out.
scoring is alot better too (maybe too much cause i got credited for a kill like 5 minutes after a landed the shots, crashed and respawnd)

just nice 2 see more action online :)

durangodoug 12-08-2009 06:42 AM
Did anyone else get a huge smile on their face when they shot down a 109 with a P51 on realistic or sim earlier tonight? I'm not sure how many of you guys got the DLC, but the P-47 has been updated. It still flies like a fridge at certain altitudes, but down low its great...and fast as hell. And that's good, because the flak is deadly now, it adds a totally new level to the game. I've always thought this game was awesome, now its awesome x10. Great patch.

P.S. I've been playing single player all night, I've noticed your wingmen are good at their jobs now. They stay closer to you in formation and actually shoot down planes much quicker. I haven't noticed a difference in the enemy AI, but with the blackouts and redouts it gets pretty difficult to stay on an enemy's tail, more fun in my opinion.

monyetension 12-08-2009 06:48 AM
indeed...

IL2 Sturmovik: Bird of Prey FTW!!!

Chrester 12-08-2009 06:58 AM
I read somewhere earlier in this thread that the deadzone for joystick is much better now.
Im on 360 and have the av8tr and the deadzone was horrible on 360. No whey you could finetune your aiming :(
Is it better now after the patch?

juz1 12-08-2009 07:41 AM
I thought the deadzone was a hardware issue on the 360...sorry...

If 360 update makes it before Christmas I will soil myself...
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ECIGARETTES

stealth finger 12-08-2009 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by juz1 (Post 126338)
I thought the deadzone was a hardware issue on the 360...sorry...
On 360 it is unfortunatly. I saw MajorNelson playing il2 they other day. Sent him a message saying something on the lines of "il2, nice. you using a stick? anychance of doing anything about the deadzone?" needless to say he didnt reply but whatever lol

Jazzy Jase 12-08-2009 08:09 AM
Can anyone tell me if this patch will allow the Microsoft Sidewinder 2 joystick to work and with the force-feedback?

I've currently got the 360 version, but if the PS3 version can use my trusty old Sidewinder I'll trade it in for a PS3 copy!

InfiniteStates 12-08-2009 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Robotic Pope (Post 126275)
Quote:
Originally Posted by InfiniteStates (Post 126261)
The P51 is certainly capable in terms of handling, but as armaments go its like a neutered Hurricane.
What the P-51D's 6 .50 machine guns??? ...Try the P-51B and the MC.202 now they ARE underarmed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kozzm0 (Post 126295)
What you don't like 500lb bombs or vicious rows of 10 HVAR's? It's a murderous attack plane, better armed than a stormovik.
Sorry for not being more specific - I was talking about the P51B. I'm sure it was only 4MGs... which is 1/3 of the Hurricane. Hence my comment. And I haven't unlocked any additional armaments because the plane has only just become flyable.



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Originally Posted by SgtPappy (Post 126315)
How does the Anton handle?
Dunno, ask his wife lol :-P

Great work devs - much appreciated (by most).

David603 12-08-2009 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by InfiniteStates (Post 126398)
Sorry for not being more specific - I was talking about the P51B. I'm sure it was only 4MGs... which is 1/3 of the Hurricane. Hence my comment. And I haven't unlocked any additional armaments because the plane has only just become flyable.
P51B has 4 .50cal MGs, and the Hurri has 12 .303cal MGs, but a .50cal has about twice the firepower of a .303cal, so the P51B isn't too far behind a Hurri and the P51D should have pretty much the same punch as the Hurricane.

Araqiel 12-08-2009 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Deascendent (Post 126277)
PILOTS DIDN'T HAVE TELESCOPES MOUNTED ON THE DASHBOARD YOU IDIOTS!
Adolf Galland did. ;)

trk29 12-08-2009 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrester (Post 126330)
I read somewhere earlier in this thread that the deadzone for joystick is much better now.
Im on 360 and have the av8tr and the deadzone was horrible on 360. No whey you could finetune your aiming :(
Is it better now after the patch?
Yes it is better for the ps3 and you can adjust it now. I didn't really have to adjust the deadzone either, its good the way is is now.

trk29 12-08-2009 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Jazzy Jase (Post 126348)
Can anyone tell me if this patch will allow the Microsoft Sidewinder 2 joystick to work and with the force-feedback?

I've currently got the 360 version, but if the PS3 version can use my trusty old Sidewinder I'll trade it in for a PS3 copy!
Hello I have the MS Sidewinder but not the force feedback one. I could get everything to work except the throttle. The playstation doesn't register the throttle button. I hooked it back up to my mac to check and make sure the button wasn't broken and it worked on my mac.

We may be the only people here with a Sidewinder stick.

Dubbedinenglish 12-08-2009 01:25 PM
I finfished the "inspect the airfields" mission :D



Also love the feel of the P-51D now.

kozzm0 12-08-2009 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Araqiel (Post 126421)
Adolf Galland did. ;)
(have a telescope mounted on the dashboard)

Galland wasn't just any pilot, he was in charge of practically the whole Luftwaffe, it was his job to see everything going on for miles around

but there's no reason for a pilot to not have binoculars. Thing with the game is you can see farther away in real life, even without magnification. The screen resolution prevents planes at distance from being rendered visibly enough to look like anything.

I tried to get the zoom cam working in custom, didn't work, used layout 3 for the rudder but you can't use the square button and right stick at the same time. So I went back to aviator layout. Now I just spot the big black splotch, watch its lateral motion, and use my instincts to figure out where it will be when it's in sight.

flynlion 12-08-2009 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by trk29 (Post 126435)
Yes it is better. I didn't really have to adjust the deadzone either, its good the way is is now.
We are probably beating this point to death but I really hope this holds true for the 360 version :-P

InfiniteStates 12-08-2009 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by flynlion (Post 126459)
We are probably beating this point to death but I really hope this holds true for the 360 version :-P
Sounds like Microsoft might be an obstruction for you there. I hope not, but don't get your hopes up...:(

Jazzy Jase 12-08-2009 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by trk29 (Post 126436)
Hello I have the MS Sidewinder but not the force feedback one. I could get everything to work except the throttle. The playstation doesn't register the throttle button. I hooked it back up to my mac to check and make sure the button wasn't broken and it worked on my mac.

We may be the only people here with a Sidewinder stick.
Awww. Shame as I love that stick. Thanks for trying it out for me.

Houndstone Hawk 12-08-2009 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by trk29 (Post 126436)
Hello I have the MS Sidewinder but not the force feedback one. I could get everything to work except the throttle. The playstation doesn't register the throttle button. I hooked it back up to my mac to check and make sure the button wasn't broken and it worked on my mac.

We may be the only people here with a Sidewinder stick.
I too have the Sidewinder; it's the ffb precision pro model & no, the throttle doesn't work.

Also have the PS3/PC thrustmaster hotas & can't get the hatswitch to accept axis settings for view panning (i guess because the hatswitch is a series of switches as opposed to axis) & so the only option for me on SIM (for an unrestricted freelook viewing motion & a zoom) is once again the gamepad & my frustration is paramount in that the only switch that has issues on SIM is the zoom mapping, & worse still, it will work on the 2 other modes I never play, lol!!!
Sure hope it can be sorted. I've tried the otherwise ok, default 3 map & viewing the outside world & zooming a chosen spot whilst flying is near impossible. Sure gives the fingers a yoga-style workout. Copying the default 3 map & being able to map the zoom onto the L3 on SIM mode would be the answer. :rolleyes:

InfiniteStates 12-08-2009 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Houndstone Hawk (Post 126509)
...so the only option for me on SIM (for an unrestricted freelook viewing motion & a zoom) is once again the gamepad & my frustration is paramount...
Can you not use a USB mouse to free look with a flight stick?

Houndstone Hawk 12-08-2009 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by InfiniteStates (Post 126519)
Can you not use a USB mouse to free look with a flight stick?
Kinda defeats the object of enjoying a flightsim on a console & couch when you have to sit up at a surface to use a mouse but thanks for the idea. Will def. give it a go!

trk29 12-08-2009 09:30 PM
Control map default 3.
I stated earlier that trim didn't work...... I found out d-pad down is trim:grin:

edal86 12-08-2009 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by trk29 (Post 126610)
Control map default 3.
I stated earlier that trim didn't work...... I found out d-pad down is trim:grin:
can anyone help me please?

I managed to customize the control layout of my dreams :) However, I dont know why my plane spins out so easily even when I have sensibility set to "0".

Has anyone solved this?

Mr Greezy 12-08-2009 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandylowlead (Post 126129)
QQ the P-51 should be the HANDS down best plane in the game :(
Uhhh...the P-51 is NOT the best dogfighter of WWII. Hate to burst your bubble but the P-51's main role was high altitude long range bomber escort. Under 5,000 feet, which is where most of the combat takes place in BoP, there are PLENTY of planes that should be dominating the P-51. It definitely needed a fix, for sure, but I don't know about the "best plane in the game".

trk29 12-08-2009 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by edal86 (Post 126611)
can anyone help me please?

I managed to customize the control layout of my dreams :) However, I dont know why my plane spins out so easily even when I have sensibility set to "0".

Has anyone solved this?
I said this in a previous post. I made a custom layout and when I was flying the P-51 it was hard to control and kept stalling out like it was before the patch came out. I paused the game and went back to default 3 and it flew fine.

SgtPappy 12-08-2009 11:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by trk29 (Post 126645)
I said this in a previous post. I made a custom layout and when I was flying the P-51 it was hard to control and kept stalling out like it was before the patch came out. I paused the game and went back to default 3 and it flew fine.
I haven't really noticed any difference in other planes. Is it just the P-51 that's behaving this way? Because as of right now, the flaps and trim buttons are just too awkward for me using Layout 3 so I have to use the semi-nerfed cutom layout.

XR62MIB 12-09-2009 12:06 AM
Max jealousy
 
I am very jealous right now and I think the polite thing to do would be for all PS3 users to not play until the 360 patch is up. ;)

edal86 12-09-2009 12:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by trk29 (Post 126645)
I said this in a previous post. I made a custom layout and when I was flying the P-51 it was hard to control and kept stalling out like it was before the patch came out. I paused the game and went back to default 3 and it flew fine.
* This is not happening when flying the P-51, it happens with all planes, even the BF 109, which never stalls and spinouts.

* I tried all possibilities of altering the deathzone and nonlinearity for rudder, ailerions, elevator, but it still stalls, I have to be VERY VERY gentle with the pad analog sticks so it does not spinout violently

lost cause 12-09-2009 02:10 AM
Well, the Mustangs are more stable and I can actually combat with them, but they will still stall, even in arcade, if you get too rough with it. The 190's are better in that reguard also, especially the Dora, but they are still inferior to a lot of planes in turn radius. I love the drastically reduced numbers for unlocks, but it looks like they didn't touch the trophies (one is fifty landings on sim in CAT, another is 100 wins with an IL2!), but a platinum trophy can now be had!!!! I ordered a T-Hostas stick as I take u guys word that the problems are fixed, except maybe the zoom. There are a few more pleasant surprises yet to try (other plane model changes like P-47). All in all, I really like it. The scoring in MP is nice!! There were numerous games going on in Sim!!!!! I didn't join yet as I need a stick, but that was a first for me.

However, one negative. I got booted out of games or lobby 3 times last nite for lost connection to server, and could not get in to a lobby several more times. Oh well, most is good. Looking forward to getting home tonight!

trk29 12-09-2009 02:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by edal86 (Post 126667)
* This is not happening when flying the P-51, it happens with all planes, even the BF 109, which never stalls and spinouts.

* I tried all possibilities of altering the deathzone and nonlinearity for rudder, ailerions, elevator, but it still stalls, I have to be VERY VERY gentle with the pad analog sticks so it does not spinout violently
Oh ok, that is the only plane I tried the different setups on. I didn't know that.

InfiniteStates 12-09-2009 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by lost cause (Post 126678)
...they didn't touch the trophies (one is fifty landings on sim in CAT, another is 100 wins with an IL2!), but a platinum trophy can now be had!!!!
It's 50 landings on realistic CTA, not sim (which is a helluva lot easier) - and a little tip: they don't need to be landings that capture. You can just keep landing over and over on an airfield you already own. I wouldn't try any kind of touch 'n' go - I would come to a complete stop.

And for the 100 missions in an IL2, I'm pretty sure you can do those offline.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lost cause (Post 126678)
However, one negative. I got booted out of games or lobby 3 times last nite for lost connection to server, and could not get in to a lobby several more times. Oh well, most is good. Looking forward to getting home tonight!
Is your PS3 in a DMZ or got ports forwarded? If you don't know what that means, google it - it's usually the cause of connection issues. If you've got blocked ports, and the host has too - failed connection. If only one of you has blocked ports you can usually connect.

RCfalcon 12-09-2009 12:52 PM
I think I speak for just about everyone when I say "WHOOOOOOO" lol

Either way, I haven't got to play around much with it, but I've liked what I've seen so far. The improvements to the P-51 are definately noticable. It feels a lot more nimble and more like...well, a fighter plane. Seems like it might even be more agile than the 109 G's now. Might have to actually trade in my trusty old G-6 if that's the case.

I couldn't tell if they changed the 190's any. It still felt fairly unresponsive to me. I admit I don't fly them often though, so it could be from my inexperience with them.

Still need to get on and test out the MP, but so far this patch seems pretty nice. Maybe I can get my old squadron off of MW2 and we can start wiping folks out again.

Rhah 12-09-2009 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RCfalcon (Post 126800)
I think I speak for just about everyone when I say "WHOOOOOOO" lol

Either way, I haven't got to play around much with it, but I've liked what I've seen so far. The improvements to the P-51 are definately noticable. It feels a lot more nimble and more like...well, a fighter plane. Seems like it might even be more agile than the 109 G's now. Might have to actually trade in my trusty old G-6 if that's the case.

I couldn't tell if they changed the 190's any. It still felt fairly unresponsive to me. I admit I don't fly them often though, so it could be from my inexperience with them.

Still need to get on and test out the MP, but so far this patch seems pretty nice. Maybe I can get my old squadron off of MW2 and we can start wiping folks out again.

Would you're squadron fancy a friendly match against VAS? Maybe that would be enough to lure them back from the annoying but awesomely fun and stupid game that is MW2?

Also, have you seen the post on here about the upcoming "Battle for Europe" event? We need as many players as possible for this, and the whole event is tailored specifically to squadrons and teamwork.

haitch40 12-09-2009 02:23 PM
i remember when i downloaded this patch i thought it was a system update and had to start the game again lol i passed it without downloading it


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