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Eldur 12-01-2009 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mhondoz (Post 123217)
Where I work (not game dev), we have two camps, - the C++ camp and the Java camp... me being in the C++ camp. And I was very surprised to learn that IL-2 uses Java, since we always play the performance card to the Java fans ;-)

Java isn't that slow... it was like crap before 1.42 and since 1.5 (= Java 5) it starts being quite good in competition.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Foo'bar (Post 123228)
Clean and tidy desks compared to mine :D

The guys should clean their keyboards and mice more often http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
Apparently the women have clean input devices http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies...very-happy.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanner (Post 123266)
I just have to shake my head at this point. Will this thing ever get done? Bomb textures? CODING ships? WIP Briefing UI? Welcome to a 2012 release date.

I prefer such details. Better it takes longer than to have a pay-beta release.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tree_UK (Post 123337)
Are these pic's taken from the development of IL2?? Everything looks so dated, including all the pony tails!!

I like pony tails http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies...-surprised.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark@1C (Post 123396)
And maybe,
you can make a photo album with photos like these,and add it into SOW's bonus disc with the titile Daily life in our studio.:-P

Great idea! Or just put it somewhere in the program, credits screen or something like that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark@1C (Post 123751)
It touches me!Your words.
You know many of my friends like WOW's character design...
Well,I prefer AION's and LineageII's,and features like these...

I hate those "ears sticking right out of the head" elves. I too can't understand why anybody likes this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies...very-happy.gif
I prefer the "Spock style" http://www.ubisoft.de/smileys/3.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark@1C (Post 123384)
I can not watch a CRT screen as much time as a LCD one(it is said,CRT does more harmful than LCD?) .If I were their logistics manager,at least,I will change all the CRT monitors for LCD,I think....although it is also said CRT does more good in graphic drawing..

Quote:

Originally Posted by tagTaken2 (Post 123429)
As long as CRT is running at decent refresh rate, it's not an issue. I'm still using mine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feuerfalke (Post 123442)
Using CRTs is hardly a hint for lacking behind modern hardware. Depending on what you are working on, old CRTs can present you a better idea of realistic colors than most common TFTs do. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedToo (Post 124068)
My 22 inch IIYAMA Vision Master Pro 510 which I bought from eBay for £15.00 sterling is brilliant. Great for gaming and Photoshop work. You can keep your flat screens for the moment.

CRTs are still the better ones. They just give a better picture and don't need to interpolate lower resolutions. Run one at 85-100Hz and it's image is rock solid, no headache. I had a 22" EIZO S2232 worth 500€ for a very short time. But it still couldn't compete against my Vision Master Pro 514, although it was ages better than those cheap TN panel displays which are less than 200€. So I gave it back, still using my 5 year old tube. It's dark compared to flat screens (I often have to increase gamma just to see something on dark photos, screenshots etc), but its colors are awesome, at any viewing angle. Even on the S-PVA, which is probably the best panel type around, colors looked somewhat artificial, just not right. Especially dark colors which are still quite bright because of the backlight. It's like a crappy energy saving lamp compared to a good old light bulb. It just feels wrong.
They still have to get better... but I doubt there will be some "any resolution" flat screens soon, which is the main problem. I run things at 1280x960 mainly, but Il-2 at 1024x768, some older games like Baldur's Gate run at 800x600 etc. I can only get a perfect image in all these with a CRT. I tried to run 1280x960/1024 on that 1650x1050 screen and it was just horrible, although EIZOs have a very good low-res interpolation. At least it didn't stretch the image to 16:10. Not all wide screens have an option for not stretching the image across the whole screen.

HenFre 12-01-2009 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebel Yell (Post 124167)
Glad those hangars are a work in progress. The shadows are nice, but the hangars themselves look like something out of Red Baron.

What in the world are you talking about :confused:

Viking 12-01-2009 02:46 PM

Wip!
 
I’m happy to see so many young talented people working on SOW. Some can make music and other art and this “crew” can fill our computers with a history lesson never possible before. Almost like a crystal ball looking backward into time.

It fills me with envy to see them at work as I myself find it hard to handle a modern cell phone.

God luck to them all!

Viking

PS! Possible to see a He 111 next Friday?

hiro 12-01-2009 09:03 PM

sweet
 
thanks for showing us the workplace . . . and the crew working . . .


Good to see the game's coming along .. . . . and the mission briefing updates too.

PeterPanPan 12-02-2009 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JVM (Post 124207)
Why do you say so? Apart of the overdone weathering, there is almost nothing wrong on this hangar....

JVM

I agree, the hangar looks virtually perfect.

However, there is definitely something not quite right with the grass. Look at it - the blades are ENORMOUS!! Quite the wrong scale. Still, I'm sure this is WIP. If not, I'd love to see the lawnmower that can hack through that stuff ;)

PPanPan

mark@1C 12-02-2009 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenFre (Post 124283)
What in the world are you talking about :confused:

HAHA...
His meaning is that,
the hangar itself looks outmoded,just like a one built in WWI,when the well-known ace Manfred von Richthofen lives.
and fortunately,it's not a Work in Completion one.

JVM 12-02-2009 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark@1C (Post 124628)
HAHA...
His meaning is that,
the hangar itself looks outmoded,just like a one built in WWI,when the well-known ace Manfred von Richthofen lives.
and fortunately,it's not a Work in Completion one.

May I laugh heartily? Yes? Aaaah, thanks, it always feel so good...

1) The WW1 (fighter) hangars were mostly canvas over wood structure, sometimes wooden constructions, but not often...

2) The hangar shown is a very faithful reproduction of a Bf-110/Ju-87 class german hangar, as still (partially) existing in Rely/Norrent-Fontes airfield in North of France.

3) Its only caveat is the fact that it is weathered too much: this was not the case when this hangar was in use: it was brand new (camouflage paint instead of rust, no "old" interior paint...) and possibly that there was no white paint or whitewash in this class of hangar (usually the brickwork was apparent), but this could be construed as poetic licence...Nobody will come forward to say the opposite with any manner of certainty!

Many german fighter hangars are variations around this theme (and they were really many, many variations: out of my mind, only for France, at least 15/20 types just for concrete/masonry T-based hangars for Bf-110 or lower aircraft classes)...
Add to this fully wooden hangars, U-based hangars, simple revetments...then we could look into the bomber hangar variations then the workshop hangars variations...

These hangars were the real thing!

JVM

AdMan 12-02-2009 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JVM (Post 124635)
May I laugh heartily? Yes? Aaaah, thanks, it always feel so good...

1) The WW1 (fighter) hangars were mostly canvas over wood structure, sometimes wooden constructions, but not often...

2) The hangar shown is a very faithful reproduction of a Bf-110/Ju-87 class german hangar, as still (partially) existing in Rely/Norrent-Fontes airfield in North of France.

3) Its only caveat is the fact that it is weathered too much: this was not the case when this hangar was in use: it was brand new (camouflage paint instead of rust, no "old" interior paint...) and possibly that there was no white paint or whitewash in this class of hangar (usually the brickwork was apparent), but this could be construed as poetic licence...Nobody will come forward to say the opposite with any manner of certainty!

Many german fighter hangars are variations around this theme (and they were really many, many variations: out of my mind, only for France, at least 15/20 types just for concrete/masonry T-based hangars for Bf-110 or lower aircraft classes)...
Add to this fully wooden hangars, U-based hangars, simple revetments...then we could look into the bomber hangar variations then the workshop hangars variations...

These hangars were the real thing!

JVM

This is the second time someone has brought up the issue of something looking too weathered for what is suposed to be new equipment/structures (the first being cockpit interiors). I wouldhave to agree this is a concern I share. Just saying.

fuzzychickens 12-02-2009 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdMan (Post 124698)
This is the second time someone has brought up the issue of something looking too weathered for what is suposed to be new equipment/structures (the first being cockpit interiors). I wouldhave to agree this is a concern I share. Just saying.

That hangar has clearly been nerfed. I bet the Brits get nice shiny hagars.

I won't stand for this. I will bomb the Brit hangars first chance I get.

mazex 12-02-2009 09:53 PM

Oleg or Luthier... I understand you get annoyed by the embarrassing off-topic discussions about how your office looks etc, but is it possible to get some comments regarding the C# code we've seen on the shots? When did you start using that? As MDX is deprecated and does not support Dx10, are you using XNA (or even SlimDX), or does the render loop run on C++? What are your experiences? After writing some C# test game in Dx9 MDX way back when I gave up after they rewrote the API every release, with obvious lack of management backing. However, they seem to put a lot of effort into XNA now - and it feels like it has more internal backing etc...

I understand if you are not interested in commenting on this, and I suppose you regret releasing that shot where the code is visible ;) Just curious as the rumors about just some percent or two in performance loss compared to C++ on the latest iterations of managed DX sounds really interesting...

/Mazex

Oleg Maddox 12-03-2009 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mhondoz (Post 123217)
Thanks for the update. :-)

It seems like in this shot that you are using C#. Can you share what technology you are using to develop the game? Thinking first and foremost on programming languages. Being a programmer my self, I find that very interesting. :)

Where I work (not game dev), we have two camps, - the C++ camp and the Java camp... me being in the C++ camp. And I was very surprised to learn that IL-2 uses Java, since we always play the performance card to the Java fans ;-)

I believe your choice of Java was quite unusual in the game business when IL-2 started development, when Java still was very young. Do you have any thoughts on technology choices like that, - did it for example play a role in being able to complete the game in time (the usual trade off performance vs time to market)?

java was seected due to time of development. We spent more less time. Howwver later many things was moved in C++ iin original Il-2 as well.
However we were used Java in parts that are not FM or 3D engine.

C# we are using, yes. To early to tell in which part.

Oleg Maddox 12-03-2009 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre@ (Post 123218)
Nice and interesting, as usual. Thanks.
Oleg, I can see your camera is a Canon S90. A good choice!

Its not my camera. I got this one in office of Canon for testing. Of course I was simply interested to test it. Sometime I do such tests and post then results on my photosite.
However I'm user of professional DSLR cameras, most often Nikons (currently D300 for undewater and more D700 for all purposes). Still using some time middle flim format Rollei twin reflex, which I have aleady more than 20 years in use.
Compact cameras ase not my choice :) I can use them occasionally only.

luthier 12-03-2009 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdMan (Post 124698)
This is the second time someone has brought up the issue of something looking too weathered for what is suposed to be new equipment/structures (the first being cockpit interiors). I wouldhave to agree this is a concern I share. Just saying.

"New" stuff looks horrible in a video game, plain and boring, like something out of 1997 or a cell shaded cartoon.

That is all.

*weatheringwhiners

Insuber 12-03-2009 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox (Post 124818)
Its not my camera. I got this one in office of Canon for testing. Of course I was simply interested to test it. Sometime I do such tests and post then results on my photosite.
However I'm user of professional DSLR cameras, most often Nikons (currently D300 for undewater and more D700 for all purposes). Still using some time middle flim format Rollei twin reflex, which I have aleady more than 20 years in use.
Compact cameras ase not my choice :) I can use them occasionally only.


Nikon D300 user here too :-D

Insuber

Oleg Maddox 12-03-2009 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Insuber (Post 124825)
Nikon D300 user here too :-D

Insuber

Right choice :)

mazex 12-03-2009 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox (Post 124818)
Its not my camera. I got this one in office of Canon for testing. Of course I was simply interested to test it. Sometime I do such tests and post then results on my photosite.
However I'm user of professional DSLR cameras, most often Nikons (currently D300 for undewater and more D700 for all purposes). Still using some time middle flim format Rollei twin reflex, which I have aleady more than 20 years in use.
Compact cameras ase not my choice :) I can use them occasionally only.

He he, my father has an impressive collection of cameras - but he always talks fondly about his Rollei Reflex cameras (and for some reason his old Minox 1970:ies pocket cam) ;)

I'm a rookie user myself with a D80, but it fills my needs (a D300 would be nice though). I'm actually going to buy a new camera this very afternoon for party shooting and quick movies of my kids (going for a Panasonic Lumix TZ7 that seems like a perfect pocket camera with good movie/still combo). A fat SLR camera is not always the right choice :)

Oleg Maddox 12-03-2009 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazex (Post 124844)
He he, my father has an impressive collection of cameras - but he always talks fondly about his Rollei Reflex cameras (and for some reason his old Minox 1970:ies pocket cam) ;)

I'm a rookie user myself with a D80, but it fills my needs (a D300 would be nice though). I'm actually going to buy a new camera this very afternoon for party shooting and quick movies of my kids (going for a Panasonic Lumix TZ7 that seems like a perfect pocket camera with good movie/still combo). A fat SLR camera is not always the right choice :)

I have also good collection of old film cameras. Its a bit more than 100.

Panasonic Lumix TZ7 - is a good camera with loooong zoom. Many of my firends like it.
However, I presonally woud prefer Sony Cyber-shot DSC-WX1 due to outstanding quality of the high ISO output with low grain. And as I understand you don't need RAW format or some manual modes....
Just try to compare images between two these cameras. The price for both is comparable.
I would by this Sony myself for the same puposes, but abcense of some manual modes and RAW format stop it.... HD movie for kids is also present in that sony

furbs 12-03-2009 12:00 PM

Stay on topic...post a shot of a hurricane :)

Insuber 12-03-2009 12:01 PM

Dear Oleg,

Just to get back to topic, I've asked back here about the max number of planes that will be handled at the same time on the map. I hope it will be in the hundreds, rather than in the tenths ...

Background:

- Historical BoB saw raids of some 950 German planes
- Il2 limitations do not allow to have more than few dozens planes on a map
- Games like BoB WoV did a good job in handling large masses of planes

Thank you,

Insuber

Schuetz 12-03-2009 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox (Post 124818)
However I'm user of professional DSLR cameras, most often Nikons (currently D300 for undewater and more D700 for all purposes).
Compact cameras ase not my choice :)

Right, you have nice photos on your HP. I`m actually using a Nikon D200. ;)

AdMan 12-03-2009 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by luthier (Post 124823)
"New" stuff looks horrible in a video game, plain and boring, like something out of 1997 or a cell shaded cartoon.

That is all.

*weatheringwhiners

makes sense, without interesting textures might as well just apply standard materials/shaders to objects and be done with it, which would result in a very "Toy Story" look (plastic).

But there will be weathering of plane exteriors, so will you be able to repaint your plane or get new markings? Perhaps take it into the hangar and get some repairs? This would be similar to what most driving sims have.

mazex 12-03-2009 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox (Post 124861)
I have also good collection of old film cameras. Its a bit more than 100.

Panasonic Lumix TZ7 - is a good camera with loooong zoom. Many of my firends like it.
However, I presonally woud prefer Sony Cyber-shot DSC-WX1 due to outstanding quality of the high ISO output with low grain. And as I understand you don't need RAW format or some manual modes....
Just try to compare images between two these cameras. The price for both is comparable.
I would by this Sony myself for the same puposes, but abcense of some manual modes and RAW format stop it.... HD movie for kids is also present in that sony

Thanks a lot for your advice! The shop I went to this afternoon only had the TZ7 in red so no deal today. My old party/kid/hiking camera that I am about to replace is actually a Sony DSC-P200 - and I have been very content with that camera. A new Sony could sure be an alternative. The WX1 seems like the modern version of my old cam, and very comparable to the TZ-7 with long zoom and good video capabilities. What makes me want to replace the DSC-P200 is mainly the weak video compared to new compact cameras (though it was good in 2005), the still images as still OK. It has rather OK manual options, but I realize that with my pocket cam - it often goes on auto... To lazy I guess. Even though raw mode and more manual stuff would be nice, I have my D-80 for that - which even my wife has started to like! She finally understood this year that a DSLR is perfect for shooting kids with fast AF, autofocus and great portraits with millimeter thick focus...

Reading up on forums, the WX1 gets some bashing for flash shadows from the lens at max wideangle (24mm), that's a minus as many images indoors tend to go on maximum angle... Then it has a weight of only 129 instead of a hulking 229 for the TZ7... Add that you have great high ISO performance in the WX1 (which is not to be understated - my D80 does a great job compared to my old Canon 300d, but the D80 is getting old too...). And then the Casio Exlim Ex-H10 has got great reviews in the same category.

It's never easy to buy new hardware with all the information we have today ;)

/Mazex

JVM 12-03-2009 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdMan (Post 124925)
makes sense, without interesting textures might as well just apply standard materials/shaders to objects and be done with it, which would result in a very "Toy Story" look (plastic).

I can understand that but it's a matter of degree: to put some dirtying, imperfections and oil spots is one thing, to get a corrugated sheet covering entirely rusted 2 months after installation is another...

JV

philip.ed 12-03-2009 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by furbs (Post 124877)
Stay on topic...post a shot of a hurricane :)

+1. I could kill for a beautiful shot of the hurricane........(now where's the drool emoticon?) :grin:

RedToo 12-03-2009 07:47 PM

I never reply to wish posts - until now. The Hurricane! Some preview shots would be wonderful. Sydney Camm's finest. The plane that for me perfectly catches the evolution from biplanes to monoplanes.

RedToo.

AdMan 12-03-2009 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JVM (Post 125018)
I can understand that but it's a matter of degree: to put some dirtying, imperfections and oil spots is one thing, to get a corrugated sheet covering entirely rusted 2 months after installation is another...

JV

I admit I'm on the fence with the whole weathering thing, the hangar doesn't bother me really. I understand this is likely not going to be but it would be damn cool if the cockpits slowly showed wear and tear over time, every scratch would be a badge of honor and I would imagine endear you to the plane.

just thought I'd indulge myself for a moment

Oleg Maddox 12-04-2009 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schuetz (Post 124893)
Right, you have nice photos on your HP. I`m actually using a Nikon D200. ;)

Good camera. I was using this one almost 3 years.
If to shot in RAW - is possible to get simply outstanding quality of images on relatively low ISO.

Oleg Maddox 12-04-2009 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedToo (Post 125059)
I never reply to wish posts - until now. The Hurricane! Some preview shots would be wonderful. Sydney Camm's finest. The plane that for me perfectly catches the evolution from biplanes to monoplanes.

RedToo.

Ok, Today will be Hurricane, however a bit unfinished.

Oleg Maddox 12-04-2009 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazex (Post 125010)
Thanks a lot for your advice! The shop I went to this afternoon only had the TZ7 in red so no deal today. My old party/kid/hiking camera that I am about to replace is actually a Sony DSC-P200 - and I have been very content with that camera. A new Sony could sure be an alternative. The WX1 seems like the modern version of my old cam, and very comparable to the TZ-7 with long zoom and good video capabilities. What makes me want to replace the DSC-P200 is mainly the weak video compared to new compact cameras (though it was good in 2005), the still images as still OK. It has rather OK manual options, but I realize that with my pocket cam - it often goes on auto... To lazy I guess. Even though raw mode and more manual stuff would be nice, I have my D-80 for that - which even my wife has started to like! She finally understood this year that a DSLR is perfect for shooting kids with fast AF, autofocus and great portraits with millimeter thick focus...

Reading up on forums, the WX1 gets some bashing for flash shadows from the lens at max wideangle (24mm), that's a minus as many images indoors tend to go on maximum angle... Then it has a weight of only 129 instead of a hulking 229 for the TZ7... Add that you have great high ISO performance in the WX1 (which is not to be understated - my D80 does a great job compared to my old Canon 300d, but the D80 is getting old too...). And then the Casio Exlim Ex-H10 has got great reviews in the same category.

It's never easy to buy new hardware with all the information we have today ;)

/Mazex

I don't know any compact camera that would wortk with internal flash gently.

My wife simply don't take in hands compacts and using DSLR only. Even when it is 2,5 Kg of weight (with heavy battery vertical grip) she takes it in a trip for everyday shooting.

RedToo 12-04-2009 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox (Post 125160)
Ok, Today will be Hurricane, however a bit unfinished.

Brilliant! Thanks Oleg.

RedToo.

GF_Mastiff 12-28-2009 03:40 AM

"ONCE AGAIN THIS IS ALL WORK IN PROGRESS, EVEN THE LAST PHOTO "

lol

That was funny tell her to quit smoking its really bad.... I know; I did it for 15 years and quit at 31..now 43, and smoke free..

Windturbin 03-22-2010 04:54 PM

All kinds of devices...........
 
All kinds of devices.............

http://download.softclub.ru/pub/il2pict/IMG_0249.JPG

Will device link be continued?

Or to be more specific, will there be a new method for exporting gauge data to 3rd party software/hardware?

AndyJWest 03-22-2010 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windturbin (Post 151042)
Will device link be continued?

Or to be more specific, will there be a new method for exporting gauge data to 3rd party software/hardware?

This is a rather old thread you are posting in, Windturbin. Oleg has more recently made the situation clear:
Quote:

In device link we plan to give alsmot any information. And now we wouldn't limit it only for single play. I do think now that it was my little mistake to listen user's votes to prohibit it for online gameplay. To know G loading or to have separate normaly visible gauges on other panel isn't a cheat. We simply closed the development of some small industry around Il-2 in this case. it was really some mistake.
Not I think by other way. Experince of Il-2 gave me a lot of things to think .
From here: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...ink#post118395

MikkOwl 03-22-2010 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windturbin (Post 151042)
All kinds of devices.............
Will device link be continued?

Or to be more specific, will there be a new method for exporting gauge data to 3rd party software/hardware?

Continued, improved (many more things through devicelink) and allow more things in multiplayer as well. Oleg mentioned this some weeks ago.

Windturbin 03-24-2010 01:48 PM

Thanks
 
Thanks Guys, I only drop by here every couple months, so is hard to find and read everything.

To continue device link is good news, I figured they would, but was thinking \ hoping it might be incorporated into the game menu section for some sort of plug and play perhaps.

I recently picked up some Flight Illusion gauges, and even with device link it is work to get them to work.


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