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Miss Shilling's orifice 10-31-2012 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by raaaid (Post 475708)
actually the signals in the human brain has like half second delay

the reason cause you can caught a ball is because your brain is half second in the future

http://www.sentientdevelopments.com/...to-future.html

Bierman recently repeated these experiments using an fMRI brain scanner and documented emotional responses in brain activity up to 4 seconds before the stimuli. Other laboratories have made similar findings.

I'll wait for the Nobels to be handed out before subscribing to such an extraordinary claim.

swiss 10-31-2012 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Das Attorney (Post 475686)
Yeah but all those neurons in the human brain travel quick- PC's sharing info are limited by internet speeds....

not enough data transferred quick enough to make a cognitive decision even if you added them all together.

Maybe if a quantum computer gets built then it could do this.



Wait for the biocomputers....

swiss 10-31-2012 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raaaid (Post 475708)
the reason cause you can caught a ball is because your brain is half second in the future

lol.

This robot's software is half a second in the future too?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6pPwP3s7s4

raaaid 10-31-2012 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by swiss (Post 475746)
lol.

This robot's software is half a second in the future too?

not really that doesnt work as an human brain

the delay of the signal hand eye i seem to recall its go and back 1.5 seconds, exactly what the human brain is in the future

in fact force feedback is great cause the delay hand-hand is less than the hand -eye what makes you be slightly in the future(for example if someone drops anote with your finger around it the almost only way to caught it is if youre touching it slightly)

the experiment of showing neutral an emotive images and via scanner detect the precognition its been extensivily reproduced which makes it totally scientifical and on the quantum paths only avalaible for crackpots

swiss 10-31-2012 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by raaaid (Post 475750)
the experiment of showing neutral an emotive images and via scanner detect the precognition its been extensivily reproduced which makes it totally scientifical and on the quantum paths only avalaible for crackpots

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You mean like:

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which basically is the same as:
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Hood 11-04-2012 03:51 PM

No the World Wide Web isn't sentient. Peoples' brains don't operate in the future - they estimate trajectory which is why people can miss.

Hood

Trumper 11-04-2012 07:49 PM

Why would they make secret patches,surely they would milk every bit of advertising they could out of it.

raaaid 11-06-2012 05:40 PM

well seems the neural signal speed its around 100 m/s

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/DavidParizh.shtml

that means the delay to kick a ball is like 2/100= 20 ms

20 ms for a human conscience to kick a ball

ive played online with other countries with lower ping

so the net delay is not a reason for the web not to be sentient

and what can be the processing power as a whole of all the pcs from the world?

edit:

my config changes with this game without touching it, either the sentient web or secret minipacthes though probably neither of the two but who knows :)

edit:

ill put you an example whcih really happened:

i set myself on undestructible and unlimitted ammo and oblitearted 9 biplanes ignoring them when they shot me

apparently inmediatly after when i run identical mission the game was peaced off and the biplnaes were way faster and clinbed way better than me

im almost sure i didnt have the flaps on or not going at full throtle, though i atribute this to selfadjustable ai level but who knows


here the original concept:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_(Ender's_Game)

swiss 11-06-2012 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by raaaid (Post 478221)

im almost sure



http://greatdaneband.com/Images/lolz...ke-it-stop.jpg

brando 11-06-2012 09:09 PM

I have two comments. Firstly, here is the first sentence from the Wiki page / Jane_(Ender's_Game). I have emphasized the important adjective.

"Jane is a fictional character in Orson Scott Card's Ender series."

Secondly, I think you are confusing your abbreviations regarding response times.

Ping times in internet use are measured in milliseconds (abb: ms) while nerve responses are measured in metres per second (abb: m/s).

I don't see how you can correlate a link between these parameters in order to prove this shaky theory.


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