Originally Posted by Hellbender (Post 457327)

I have no problem with the default convergence of the 109E, especially with the MGs which are more than nice to fire from all angles at enemy aircraft sicne it is so easy to lead with them sicne their are palced on the nose. Much more difficult it is to do the same work with the Spit or Hurri with wing mounted guns. I loved all the nose mounted cannons and MGs in Il 2 1946.

In general, for Spits and Hurris, use a convergence around 200m or lower and fill the ammo belts with a mix of DeWilde and AP rounds. If possible, try to get as close as possible with your plane on the enemy aircraft and start perforating it.

Originally Posted by macro (Post 457332)

i use 110 meters.

for the spit it does matter

if you use long range conv. then you get 2 hit spots either side of your dot on the gun sight (at close range where you are far more likly to get hits), 110 (or another close setting) means both hit on the dot at close range. this means you have to fill up the site with the enemy Ac, but this also means you can aim at a specific part of the plane with all the guns, (i.e cockpit, fueltanks, weakspots on bombers etc). if all the guns are hitting the same spot, it doesnt take a long burst to destroy whatever they hit. being restricted to close combat also means you save ammo, as you only get 12 seconds of fire as it is.

thats my preference anyway

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber (Post 457336)

I use the 400 200 on cannons and 400 400 on MGs as per the Luftwaffe diagram. Like Tom said with the cannons they are fairley inaccurate and so for this reason I only use them for close range, like 100 metres on small targets like fighters. I also like to save ammo and confirm I am going to hit by using the MG's to draw on to the target and when you see hits fire the big guns... Tracers and or Beobachtung are good for this.

Firing on fighters dead 6 is kinda wasteful, the low volocity cannon rounds tend to go over and under the wings of your target as the wings are so thin from this angle. In fact from dead 6 you are better using the nose MG's to aim for the oil cooler or water rad as this will be just as crippling as a hole in the wing... Firing straight down the fusalage is largely wasteful.

The best target I feel for a fighter is 90 degree on top on from below as he turns. You often have to draw blind lead under your nose and experieced red pilots will add slip with the rudder so expect to miss sometimes. How ever the window for shooting is smaller so you use less ammo and the target is bigger so you have more chance of a hit. Ideally these shots are at less than 100 metres, wingspan of target fighter once in your recticle, you have to get close.

I had cannons for a long time set to 100metres however this only limits your options should you need to fire them at longer distance... Like to scare someone off your wingman. The cannon trails have a good phycological effect...


I'd really love to try a 109 with 8 wing MG's like the hurri set up just to see what its like...

Just my 2 cents, as always... ;)

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 457347)

In the 109 I shoot at 115 meters.

At that range, a Spitfire's wings should be juuust narrower than the diameter of the revi, and the Hurri should be juuust wider.

Against bombers, I don't even use the cannons. Load armor-piercing rounds into your nose guns, and then just shoot at the tailgunner until you kill him, and then the engine cowling until you get the nice thick black smoke.

Usually ~200 rounds per bomber.

Originally Posted by Hellbender (Post 457381)

For the Luftwaffe planes the "7.92x57 S.m.K.H. Spitzgeschoss mit Kern, Hart" round has excellent performance against british planes. A couple of hits into the engine comaprtment of the British Fighters and they start smoking badly. Nice for attack where a lots of lead is required, for instacne when the Spitfire or the Hurricane is turning away. The 20mm cannons can be effective from 6 o´clock when you aim with the reticle at the upper part of the rudder of your target, then your cannon rounds should impact from close range in the wings of your target disabling it most likely.

For the SPitfire and Hurricane, I personally use a 173m (190 yards) convergence with the following load out:

1. Tracer - DeWilde
2. Tracer - AP
3. DeWilde
4. AP
5. AP
6. DeWilde
7. Tracer - AP
8. Tracer - DeWilde

Originally Posted by trademe900 (Post 458258)

The RAF fighters are not even worth flying with the default ammo loadout; it's really only good for wounding or injuring gunners. Forget about a 109 with that loadout, you will only suceed in perforating his cooling and as we know the planes in COD can go seemingly forever with streaming coolant, even at full power.

As it is not possible to chase down a 109 you only have split seconds to work with in turning deflection shots or high speed bounces. I load all guns with solely dewilde and armour piercing, with the dewilde having the greatest effect. There is something definitely wrong with the damage modelling at present however; if you load all guns entirely with dewilde the wings blow off he111's instantly in spectacularly unrealistic fashion. I tend to work around this bug by making half loadout armour piercing. With the loadout like this you are likely to both set fire to the enemy or disable it's control surfaces.

I have never caused structural damage to a plane with ball or any other ammo other than armour piercing so as far as i'm concerned only dewilde and armour piercing are of any use.

Originally Posted by Robo. (Post 458283)

I fly the RAF fighters with default ammo (for they are historically accurate) and never encountered any of the problems you are describing. If you hit the 109 at convergence range, you will do lots of damage.

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter (Post 458300)

RAF pilots did not always fly the same a/c. Did the pilot have his guns adjusted to his convergence preference before every flight?

Originally Posted by lonewulf (Post 458326)

Could someone please explain the distinction between horizontal and vertical convergence. I really struggle to make any sense of this. In real world terms, how is it possible to set two different values for convergence? What am I missing here?