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Personally I don't believe there has been a lack of communication over the years. The problem is the game hasn't lived up to expectations, much of it misplaced by the community. There probably would have been more communication if the messege was good, but there hasn't been alot good to report over the last couple of years. Hopefully the devs will have some good things happen soon or the sim is toast.

Well, from the last post JG52Uther's "Sticky" above :
"Originally Posted by BlackSi
Probably still have to clarify a few things about the standard geymdeve in general:
1) The publishers do not like to spend money on "poslereliznoe" service problem projects. If the game fails, it is much cheaper than all instantly shut down and disband the team.
2) release of patches for the troubled project, which means the contents of the command is usually only possible through the advance allocation of money for new development. In fact, correcting the previous project "eaten through" money allocated to the next. There is next - it means there will be no patches for the previous one, bye.

Given the above, the decision to finish the first full release of the past usually means instant death.

Also, all of the above applies to the gaming industry in general and do not necessarily reflect the situation within 1C. "

Hopefully, they'll use the same "game engine" in the sequel and that corrections made to IT will have to apply to CoD also. But, given that we're talking "investors and publishers" here ...

I'm not so interested in more updates. What is needed are real results. Not the trifles that we've seen over the last year and a half.

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Originally Posted by rjb1fgc (Post 442567)

Hopefully, they'll use the same "game engine" in the sequel and that corrections made to IT will have to apply to CoD also. But, given that we're talking "investors and publishers" here ...

The same engine will be used, that´s why they are fixing CloD.

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Originally Posted by Feathered_IV (Post 442570)

I'm not so interested in more updates. What is needed are real results. Not the trifles that we've seen over the last year and a half.

+1 The updates have promised so much and delivered so very little so far. We are 15 months on and I am still getting launcher exe crashes after most single player games. How on earth this can still be happening after 15 months is a joke. I would expect to have atleast a stable game after this long or even at launch. I expect to have bugs in the games I buy, but all these stability issues are just a joke.

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Originally Posted by mysticpuma (Post 442534)

i have read many threads and although there are varying points of view, it seems that the main frustration is that veterans and new players alike just feel like they are not being listened to?

Many threads ask "dear luthier/black6/1c, can you fix this? Why doesn't this work? I have found a bug? Online gaming? Multiplayer netcode? Why wont you answer this question? Why is the patch not here? Why have you not added this/that/the other?".....etc,etc.

Now as far as i am aware the complete opposite is evident from the rof forums/community because they appear to have a group of developer's that interact with there community. Jason has been and is mentioned many times as someone the rof community feel is taking onboard their suggestions and comments. It doesn't matter (well it does but go with me here) that things aren't fixed instantly, it does matter though that opinions, thoughts and suggestions appear to be given due consideration and there is feedback and appreciation of the customer enthusiasm and input.

I honestly believe that there would be considerably less irritation and hostility if the customers felt as though what they were saying was having an effect on the direction of bug-fixes and development.

I think in the real world (i know it's been over a year!) we can appreciate that software is never going to be released perfect. We also can appreciate that (from posts on here) that the release was 'forced' and this has ultimately have caused the community of clod players to be dealt a rough hand.

I also think that most of us who have lived and breathed the original il2 can see that clod was 'born' prematurely as the pedigree that it comes from is second to none in the flight sim community (ww2 combat of-course). For this reason i think so-many have been disappointed (i appreciate not all) as it was seen as the next step up in graphics and realism for the ww2 combat community. As it currently stands for many players (i appreciate again not all) the actual playability is really hard to accept as it takes so-many users 'fixes', tweaks, work-arounds to try and get a stable game that ultimately frustration sets in.

This is the point when they reach out to the people who made and sold the software to help them, to fix the broken parts, to make it as good as the original....to make it fun again!

This is also the point where it appears that the lack of feedback appears to be a two-finger salute at those who dare to poke their heads above the trenches and stare into the face of the developer's and ask a question about what went wrong.

Personally, i honestly do appreciate that a man/woman can't sit at a pc all-day answering inane questions that really don't make a difference to the development. I also appreciate that they can't sit there all-day and answer incredibly relevant questions to the development. I do though feel, like others, that the lack of communication feeds the animosity and anger because it is this that leads those who invested money to feel that the developer's don't really care what problems there are....it's tough on us, what did we really hope to expect?

These are the reasons that the friday updates (actually any updates) are trawled over in fine detail as we users hope to find a nugget of gold amongst news of the sequel. The 'nugget of gold' is the news that something will be fixed and that something is a direct result of customer input. The input and feedback of those who care about this software, it's sales, it's development, it's future!

The reason we are here is we have an interest, a passion, a hobby and that is why is galls us so much when suggestions to improve the experience we get from the software are just ignored.

Take bug-tracker for instance.

It would be great to hear feedback from the developers that they are working on/looking at the top-ten issues listed in bug-tracker. These are the top ten issues for users and the top ten that surely the developer's should consider first? These are the issues that users....the lifeblood of the sim are crying out for to be fixed. If they weren't in the top 10 most popular issues, then there would be less importance on addressing them?

But those are the issues that lead the priority of the users in the community and these are the ones that really do require someone who is actually working in the development of the clod software (not the sequel) to take time to come to the community and let us know what is actually being done and a 'realistic' timescale of when it could be fixed?

It really is disingenuous for a weekly update to say "we have nearly fixed this, we hope to release it soon" when they are actually dealing with the issues.

Could we not have something like this weekly or even every two-weeks?:

http://riseofflight.com/blogs/

trust me when i say that this is not a rof thread, this is a thread i hope can stir a little passion in the development team to understand that i (i hope we) realise it's difficult, realise there has been issues but that we are hear and waiting to support you as you battle through them.

Sitting in a room somewhere and saying if we don't answer any questions the baying crowd will eventually go away...well in a way, is probably true. But those who do go away most likely wont come back when you really do have something to say!

Please 1c, consider having worthwhile updates that tell us how development is going. I/(we?) really want to support you but throwing breadcumbs of information out at such sporadic intervals ultimately gives the impression that you really aren't interested in the community who support and follow you, and seriously that's' really not going to endear you to any of the older or newer customer's for clod.

This took me 15-minutes to write....if you take into consideration how much i typed, just 50% of that as information of what you are doing once-per-week, would be a true inspiration to those who are steadily giving up hope of ever seeing clod rise to the great heights the 1946 did.....but we still hang on in hope!

I hope i have written this as neither a fanboy or a whiner......just as an honest opinion that if we had more communication, it really would go a long way to make us believe we aren't being ignored and hung out to dry?

Cheers, mp

+111111111

I think the biggest communication problems and the biggest turn off for potential customers is the lack of updates of the official web site. Now I understand that that page is owned by the publishers and the Developers don't have access to it, but when you go to a site and that hasn't changed in a year, I wouldn't be looking any further.

Surely it is their job (part of advertising and selling the game) to sift through all the crap and reporting the positve developments that have occured. (yes there have been some!)

What are they actually doing for their money?

It would also be a good place for a development blog where the developers have post their vision for the future of the series without continual attack.

Maybe that is not possible at the official but how about a locked thread for developers? (not an original idea - the seperate update discussion thread is a positive move but the update theread should be for Developers only)

The only problem I have with people venting their spleen here is that it obscures all the positives, and their is no incentive for the developers to express their creative idea's.

(Any way I'm off for a week at the beach house - no internet). Hope to come back to a New patch/updates/more positive forum.

Cheers!

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Originally Posted by PotNoodles (Post 442578)

The latest launcher crashes look to have been caused by a few MS .net security updates according to some testing in another thread here.
I wouldnt expect them to necessarily catch all of these types of issues in a beta. Thats why its a beta! ;)

If you repair your .net files it reverts back prior to the latest security updates and appears to fix the launcher crash when exiting.

I'll make sure B6 gets this message back to the devs about the .net updates.

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Originally Posted by FS~Phat (Post 442617)

Phat, not every thing you say? Do I agree with. You have my respect.
Your efforts to remind the forum members on fixes or temporary fixes are
from the heart. Thank You. I hope this works for all.

The problem here is not communication. It's the lack of people able to fix the game in the team. It doesn't matter what they promis if they don't know if they can actually do it, or how to do it.