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The new prop effect is retarded.
Good luck trying to bounce someone out of the sun. The moment you point the tail towards the sun the plane you want to bounce disapears in that blurry mess.:mad:

Someone should send this guys up in a plane.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by pupo162 (Post 427494)

hi Zapatista!

i had the same issue as you, enabling Vsinc ended the strobe and the headaches issue.

still in my opinion prop is way to visible, and prop reflection is visible on way to many situations. .

thx for the tip

tried the vsync, maybe it mildly reduced it (hard to tell) but still looks pretty bad to me. so bad in fact i'd call it unplayable in its current form (it actually gives me a headache). maybe my fpsec's are just not high enough for vsync to work ? (i though you needed to have 60+ fpsec for it ), my current fpsecs are between 25 and 45. not high enough i sspect.

something needs to be done in the quality control department of 1c-CoD. there is barely a handfull of stubborn supporters left here who still hope/believe/think this sim will be fixed to become what it should be, and they are adding new major bugs instead ?

i tried to compare if the direction of sunlight hitting the prop mattered, and it does increase/decrease the problem, but for me in ALL directions of sunlight the problem is to severe, to unrealistic, to unpleasant to look at, and it gives me a headache even just after a few minutes

in its current state with the beta patch adding this strobe prop effect i find it unplayable

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Originally Posted by zapatista (Post 427519)

yes, you would need 60+... i used to come down from 100+ fps. i think you and i had different issues. either way, prop animation seems to be having problems, for both really high and low FPS, also LOW rev prop causes stutering.

bugtracker maybe?

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Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 427465)

Yes it does, and is also a potential epilepsy trigger in real life too.

Straight from a pilot's mouth, to paraphrase the familiar saying :-P

I'm not a real life pilot myself but i asked a mate of mine who is about is. He's flying regional airliners now, but going through his license training he accumulated quite some time on prop aircraft too. There's a mandatory transition from private to commercial to airline license and the "smaller" licenses have about 200 hours on prop planes, maybe more if you take instrument rating training into account.

He told me that their instructors warned them about this and advised them to look ahead and through the prop disc, instead of focusing on it, when the sun was at their backs. So i guess it happens in reality as well.

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Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt (Post 427555)

I'm not a real life pilot myself but i asked a mate of mine who is about is. He's flying regional airliners now, but going through his license training he accumulated quite some time on prop aircraft too. There's a mandatory transition from private to commercial to airline license and the "smaller" licenses have about 200 hours on prop planes, maybe more if you take instrument rating training into account.

He told me that their instructors warned them about this and advised them to look ahead and through the prop disc, instead of focusing on it, when the sun was at their backs. So i guess it happens in reality as well.

Yeah.....I remember all those ww1 and ww2 fighter pilots memories, who all warned about avoiding attacks from the sun, because they'll instantly loose the enemy plane in the blurry prop disc and get epilepsy.:rolleyes:
All fighter pilots talk about how dangerous it was to attack with the sun in your back.
Dicta Boelke particulary warned about the great danger of attacking from the sun.
RAF made posters with this warnings in ww2.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../04Hun2lge.jpg

Yeah, I am a fan of the new prop look...

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Originally Posted by zapatista (Post 427453)

this long promised patch just doesnt cut it on my poor little i5 @ 3.6 (dual core) system (yes i have somewhat higher frame rates at +/- 35 now, but still the sim isnt perfectly fluid, and the scenery colours and textures look somewhat bland (even compared to the razor sharp but low resolution il-1946 sim)

but this the new prop spin visual effect is a headache (literally).

what do you folks think ? i am partic interested in opinions from those that have been in smaller prop planes, and hence know what it should look like in real life.

visually the new current prop visual effect has a strobe like lighting effect which is very unpleasant to look at, and significantly distracts from how clearly you should be able to look at objects directly in front of you (if anything in a modern game will pose an epilepsy danger for the few whom are prone to it, this one surely will). imho also looks like nothing that i have seen in real life in small prop planes.

from my experience in small prop planes in real life, at high rpm the prop spin should just cause a small mild amount of blurring, and barely be visible. instead right now we have this massive strobe like flashing thing in front of us which blurs significantly what you can see, and makes it a very significant distraction. to me it is unpleasant, ugly and visually irritating to look at

in the later versions of the previous il2 series, and in the current DCS p51 for ex, this prop spin visual effect was pretty good, mildly visible but not distracting or unpleasant. imo if ever there was going to be an epilepsy trigger concern in those that are prone to it, this current visual effect would be a perfect candidate

specs: intel i5 @ 3.6 (dual core), 8 gb 1600 ram, ati 5770 (1 gb), win7 64 bit

i also had high hopes this new patch (with the complete gfx engine rewrite) would bring back some of the scenery visual beauty that was present when this sim was first released last year (albeit a stuttering beauty with constant microfreezes for me, making it unplayable), sadly this is not the case so far.

what do you folks think about this new prop spin visual effect ?

I agree ...

The blades are painted black to minimize this effect also cited (real life) The rotation of the blade causes a slight blur

Hi all,
Long time since my last post. I was simply reading and patiently waiting. But this topic is important, I think.

First of all: I’m a pilot, and I’ve flown many different single engine light-planes in almost any conceivable lighting conditions. 90% of the time, even taxing with idling engine, the prop is simply invisible, particularly if the flat black paint on the prop blades is in good conditions. In some cases, the prop become visible, but the view you have in real life isn’t even remotely comparable to what you see on comp screens, even the better ones. In real life, it’s easy to focus beyond the prop. Looking at a comp screen it’s hard to impossible.

That said, I know too well that’s impossible to make everyone happy. Someone likes the “stroboscopic” prop, someone don’t. At the same time, I think this is one of the most important single aspects in any simulator, making the difference from a pleasant gaming time and an unbearable experience.

I believe that this is a case in which an option is the only solution. If there were an option, I would choose a markedly less visible prop. I understand that this could be an issue for online flyers, but the very fact that more prop visibility could represent a disadvantage is simply demonstrating how much important it’s the point.

I don't have the latest beta patches installed, so I can't judge for myself but I swear when this game was release many people were angry with the exact opposite thing.

Many here complained the prop effect was barely visible and should be seen more. The devs blamed the epilepsy filter for the toned down prop, and that we may never see the original prop animation. Well looks like they must of added it back and now people want it gone, that's funny.

I like the new prop look a lot!!...I don't even notice a fit coming on at all.:grin: