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Originally Posted by Kurfürst (Post 411664)

Indeed this is the most annoying thing about the whole Spit model, which was very much like the famous Camel in this regard. The elevator touchiness is not modeled (nor was in old Il-2). Every manual, report, pilot commenting on the issue noted that the Spitfire elevator was exceedingly light, and sensitive and required very delicate control. Stick force / g was in the order of 4 lbs / G, so you could easily pull 12-13 Gs with one hand, which would certainly black you out in short order, stall or even break the aircraft.

In Il-2 COD, pulling the sick full back not even stalled the Spit II for example...

The handling is fishy for all aircraft I would say, its very hard to stall them and outright impossible to break them (and I tried really hard flying in the most dangerous fashion possible: full nose up trim AND full stick-on-stomach at the end of the dive at around 350-400 mph IAS, which would be certain to break any fighter in the game two, but you simply can't...). I guess its just more profilic in the case of the Spit, which had ultra sensitive pitch control compared to all others.

I agree with that. It's just a little to easy to fly. I'm sure a well flown Me-109 can win a battle...but the fact is...IMO the skill and practice required to fly the Me-109 is not even remotely mirrored by the Spitfire. Making the spit rightfully touchy would solve this. It was always difficult in RoF because the camel was so touchy and took discretionary control inputs to fly at it's best, just yanking the stick back all the way to turn resulted in a stall.

Also, I do fly on the Atag server. and against other planes

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Originally Posted by Robo. (Post 411495)

I suggest you try her a bit more against competent pilots, that might give you better picture.

yes, but just the fact I could put myself in a terrible position, the 1st time in the a/c and still come out on top, while flying the plane to a much higher level at 2:1 odds kinda says something...or at least in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper (Post 411673)

Hi gimpy117!

Hope you can join us sometime on the ATAG server -- be sure to have Teamspeak installed!

Snapper

What he said.

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Also, I do fly on the Atag server. and against other planes

You currently stand at 29 "entries" on ATAG server, with 11 kills + 12 deaths.

I fly the Spit 1a a lot...a whole lot, I fly only on ATAG. Come fly the Spit 1a a bit more on ATAG as I am sure that your impression will change when you go against Mr. X, notafinger, Little D, vit unit, Recoilfx, etc. I could go on with names but it would be pointless.

As you said, you're new and inexperienced, go up vs. an Experten and they will OWN you in the Spit 1a. The only card you hold in the Spit 1a is turning...that's it. It's slow, can't climb to save itself, can't dive, can't do anything but turn.

It really sucks when you've got your throttle & pitch wide open and watch the 109's just climb away and not a damn thing you can do about it. Put your tail between your legs, dive, and start to turn because you're going to die as soon as they hammerhead your ass...

Given that, I have 3 words...YOU GOT LUCKY.

Be quite careful what you post and what kind of flame war you look to start. :evil:

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Originally Posted by ~Deacon (Post 411770)

Be quite careful what you post and what kind of flame war you look to start. :evil:

lol yea he was flaming on the atag server last night about how the 109 can't turn with it haha

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Originally Posted by AKA_Tenn (Post 411792)

lol yea he was flaming on the atag server last night about how the 109 can't turn with it haha

lol i was more actively complaining ;) lol I tend to do that when I have reservations about FM's, but if it came across as flaming...I sincerely Apologize. Wasn't attacking the people, just the way the planes fly. I don't have beef with anybody as far as I know...

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Originally Posted by gimpy117 (Post 412113)

Nobody is interested to read that kind of stuff in the chatline. We all know what the issues with the FMs are. ;)

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Originally Posted by Robo. (Post 412118)

Nobody is interested to read that kind of stuff in the chatline. We all know what the issues with the FMs are. ;)

yeah i know lol I was on a little bit of a rant. Remember 8 hours between the bottle and throttle ;)

I have seen a former spitfire pilot interview on youtube in which he says

" anyone could fly a spitfire, but you had to be an expert to fly a 109"

This is roughly how it is in COD.

Sound like you were just lucky and flew against some pilots who didn't know how to use the advantages of the 109.

Indeed the Spitfire had few vices, this is well documented from BoB pilots. Kurfurst refers to the elevator as if there is a problem, but he is referring to the report that Jeff Quill gave after one of the early test flights, so Supermarine made some adjustments and then it was fine.

Don't reply Kurfurst, I am not interested in your biased, one-sided view on the Spitfire vs 109.

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Originally Posted by Kurfürst (Post 411664)

I guess its just more profilic in the case of the Spit, which had ultra sensitive pitch control compared to all others.

I think it was sensitive and like many aircraft of this era had poorly harmonised controls, but it can't realistically be described as "ultra sensitive", otherwise the literature would be full of accounts of Spits getting bent in PIOs on landing. It's also possible to over-estimate the impact of poorly-harmonised controls. In my limited experience of flying, you quickly adjust to the control forces needed for different aircraft and it ceases to be a problem, unless they are so high as to be tiring.