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Bewolf 04-19-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber (Post 411101)

3:15 Treffer im rechten Motor - trotzdem wird der Auftrag zu Ende geführt

Got some balls, this pilot, when one of my engines gets hit in Clod it means good bye battle area and hello god, hope you got some time for me.

335th_GRAthos 04-19-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewolf (Post 411185)
3:15 Treffer im rechten Motor - trotzdem wird der Auftrag zu Ende geführt
Got some balls, this pilot, when one of my engines gets hit in Clod it means good bye battle area and hello god, hope you got some time for me.

I think this is the Camera Man and Propaganda Office who got some balls... sounds like typical propaganda film to me...


Regarding the new film, oh yes this looks a bit different.
I see two groups flying 4-fingers in the beginning 2:01 but afterwards all different formations (2:08 group, 2:16 V-form, 2:29...) I think they are for filming purposes.

At 3:09 is an amazing scene the ME-110 trying to shoot down the RAF plane which is attacking the JU-88 !!!!!!!


There is also another point that surprised me at 1:30 -> The main production model (ME-110C as of April '39) had a speed of 349Mph (560Kmh) at 23000feet (7000m)!!!!


~S~

Pips 04-19-2012 09:45 PM

Your right, there is definitely a mix of formations used. It may be to do with mission task. In the book "Messerschmitt BF 110: Bombsights Over England - Erprobungsgruppe 210 in the Battle of Britain" there are often mentions of Kette formations in attacks. Although to be fair there are also mentions of Rotte and Schwarm formations as well.

Great film!

5./JG27.Farber 04-19-2012 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pips (Post 411638)
Your right, there is definitely a mix of formations used. It may be to do with mission task. In the book "Messerschmitt BF 110: Bombsights Over England - Erprobungsgruppe 210 in the Battle of Britain" there are often mentions of Kette formations in attacks. Although to be fair there are also mentions of Rotte and Schwarm formations as well.

Great film!

Yes, it seems they adopt Kette for Bombing and Schwarm for fighting...

WTE_Galway 04-19-2012 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber (Post 411644)
Yes, it seems they adopt Kette for Bombing and Schwarm for fighting...


To be honest flying Rotte when your whole flight is bomb laden and unable to manoeuvre seems a bit pointless. It just makes sense to fly Kette when bombing, safety in numbers.

JG4_Bendwick 04-20-2012 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber (Post 411644)
Yes, it seems they adopt Kette for Bombing and Schwarm for fighting...

2:08 is a Do17 bomber group in Kette formation...

5./JG27.Farber 04-21-2012 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JG4_Bendwick (Post 411955)
2:08 is a Do17 bomber group in Kette formation...

On futher inspection - I agree

and the 4:03 is Schwarm and Kette - Understrength?


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