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skouras 06-30-2011 01:15 PM

i saw a huge difference when i set them to 200:grin:

JG53Frankyboy 06-30-2011 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurfürst (Post 304220)
................ MG-FF/M will solve both of these problems, as the lighter M-Geschoss was fired at much higher speeds.

never heard about a higher V0 of the Mineshell.....?!

Kurfürst 06-30-2011 03:34 PM

Its a lighter shell fired with a similiar charge - its faster. IIRC on 151/20 it was 805 m/sec vs 710 or so of the regular HEI/API, and 700ish on the MGFF vs. the regular 520 or so. It did loose speed a bit faster, but I don't think that matters at these marginal ranges of 100-200 meter.

TomcatViP 07-01-2011 10:14 AM

The big diff came from the feeding mechanism for the canons that went from a large and rather impressive belt arrangement (!) to 60 rds drums.

Masi67 07-03-2011 06:44 PM

Mg FF pretty useless as it is now :) MG17 is killer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMnSqcmANro

Kongo-Otto 07-07-2011 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomcatViP (Post 304501)
The big diff came from the feeding mechanism for the canons that went from a large and rather impressive belt arrangement (!) to 60 rds drums.

Both the MG/FF and the MG/FFM never had a belt feeding mechanism, they always had the 60 round drum when mounted in the BF 109. Only the E-1 with the wing installed MG-17 had ammo belts.

JG53Frankyboy 07-07-2011 06:06 AM

And the cases of the 20mm ruonds were collected in the wing and not thrown out like in CoD AFAIK

FG28_Kodiak 07-07-2011 06:48 AM

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7212/mgffe.jpg

TomcatViP 07-07-2011 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto (Post 306304)
Both the MG/FF and the MG/FFM never had a belt feeding mechanism, they always had the 60 round drum when mounted in the BF 109. Only the E-1 with the wing installed MG-17 had ammo belts.

Wrong ! ;)

drewpee 07-07-2011 02:32 PM

I'm reading Most Dangerous Enemy. What a great book. In it it states the Germans wanted to out gun the Spitfire and Hurricanes eight MGs. Problem was they only had enough room for one gun in each wing. That's why they went for the cannons. With its slow rate of fire it was hard to hit it's target but if an AC was hit with a 20mm round it was said to be devastating.

I've practiced and practiced with just the cannons without much success. I have hit ACs with several cannon rounds and they just keep flying. Sure parts come off the planes but I'd never call it devastating. I'd say they haven't yet been modeled correctly. At least I hope that's what it is.


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