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JRHOODY1 06-08-2011 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope (Post 294801)
This is one reason i have come to be glad that the 360 never got the update. Black out is pointless if everyone just maxes their brightness to see through it and makes the rest of the game look a washed out grey mess.

I'm hoping for Birds of steel they can implement black outs much better with an increasing tunnel vision effect, with the black being solid so you can't cheat with the brightness control.

first of all it has nothing to do with updates, its to do with your tv, and secondly it dont make the game look a washed out grey mess, and 3rd cheating come on i dont think so, its info for the user that everybody should no?

;)

Robotic Pope 06-08-2011 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRHOODY1 (Post 294810)
first of all it has nothing to do with updates, its to do with your tv, and secondly it dont make the game look a washed out grey mess, and 3rd cheating come on i dont think so, its info for the user that everybody should no?

;)

First of all, You know nothing. It is indeed something to do with the update you muppet. The update is why you have blackouts on PS3, thats when they were reinstated into the game. Before the Patch blackouts only happened at something like 9G.

Secondly your info on how to negate a feature of the game the developers though would increase your enjoyment is useless to anyone but yourself because everybody has different makes of tv/moniter, your settings would not give anything like the same effect on our tv's. Also you forgot to say anything about the in game brightness setting although I have no doubt that you have that whacked right up to maximum. The game is a grey wash at that high brightness. I keep mine at default level which is zero.

Thirdly no matter what you say, this is a form of cheating, you are not meant to be able to see though blackouts.

Gilly 06-08-2011 08:54 AM

I have to agree with Pope on this. The whole point of having black and redout is the impaired vision that subsequently results. It's why fighter pilots nowadays wear G-suits designed to eleviate it. By turning up the brightness all your doing is cheating yourself. Do you keep the TV on these settings for all games and when watching TV? If the answer is no then as Pope says it's an easy way to cheat. Where's the satisfaction in knowing that you got the kill because the other guy didn't turn up his brightness? As Pope has said these things were put into the game to provide more realism which if everyone is then finding 'work arounds' makes a mockery of the effort that the developers put into it.

KAV 06-08-2011 09:44 AM

Why enhance ones flying ability when one can use tech to get the upperhand.
Why dont we all use lag switches as some do ?

Up for call for the ones who care, I dont. I enjoy the game for its content that gives me joy, not for its ability to boost my ego. And yes, at times it feels great to be shot down by a superior pilot who has performed beautiful manouvers to achieve it.

And we all do know how to use the overwep on the Spits, but it hasnt got its on thread on the forum...........

winny 06-08-2011 10:14 AM

I seem to remeber someone posting what looked like a photo of BoP being played on a tweaked TV. The brightness and contrast had been turned way up and it made the enemy A/C very visible, very.

Funnily enough at the time nobody really picked up on it...

It was last year but I can't remember who posted it.

EDIT : Found it,

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...44&postcount=2

I dunno if it's real or photoshopped though.

McQ59 06-08-2011 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KAV (Post 294892)

And we all do know how to use the overwep on the Spits, but it hasnt got its on thread on the forum...........

What do you mean mate? "Overwep"?! Is that something different than the ordinary wep? Or am I just beeing stoopid now...

Okay... No worries. I sorted it.

McQ59 06-08-2011 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winny (Post 294903)
I seem to remeber someone posting what looked like a photo of BoP being played on a tweaked TV. The brightness and contrast had been turned way up and it made the enemy A/C very visible, very.

Funnily enough at the time nobody really picked up on it...

It was last year but I can't remember who posted it.

EDIT : Found it,

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...44&postcount=2

I dunno if it's real or photoshopped though.


First time I see this pic winny. Is this for real? Do any of you guys really set your screen to show this kind of features?!

Zatoichi_Sanjuro 06-08-2011 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by winny (Post 294903)
I seem to remeber someone posting what looked like a photo of BoP being played on a tweaked TV. The brightness and contrast had been turned way up and it made the enemy A/C very visible, very.

Funnily enough at the time nobody really picked up on it...

It was last year but I can't remember who posted it.

EDIT : Found it,

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...44&postcount=2

I dunno if it's real or photoshopped though.

That was a joke post using photoshop. If you turn up your brightness to see through blackouts/dark terrain, then surely when you follow an enemy skyward you will have the opposite effect, and have whiteout.

vdomini 06-08-2011 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope (Post 294814)
First of all, You know nothing. It is indeed something to do with the update you muppet. The update is why you have blackouts on PS3, thats when they were reinstated into the game. Before the Patch blackouts only happened at something like 9G.

Secondly your info on how to negate a feature of the game the developers though would increase your enjoyment is useless to anyone but yourself because everybody has different makes of tv/moniter, your settings would not give anything like the same effect on our tv's. Also you forgot to say anything about the in game brightness setting although I have no doubt that you have that whacked right up to maximum. The game is a grey wash at that high brightness. I keep mine at default level which is zero.

Thirdly no matter what you say, this is a form of cheating, you are not meant to be able to see though blackouts.

I completely disagree with you.

Tweaking on the in game brightness or TV to see better to me it's like lowering elevator sensitivity while flying a plane, avoiding stalling, or disable the cockpit view when available. It's just a personal setting, definetly not a way of cheating. If the devs wanted a fixed brightness settings they wouldn't allowed you the option, or, like most recent game ( dead space 2 for example ), they would make you set the bright level in-game at the beginning, comparing the slider value with a brightness reference picture.

Feel like flying at 0 brightness? Do it.
Feel like flying full sensitivity? Do it.
Feel like flying cockpit? Do it.

But don't blame other for cheating if the don't fly with your settings. Some people still play on CRT TV, some don't have a full HD plasma tv, i mean... It's your personal decision. It's not the brightness settings that will save your wings against a skilled pilot.

Also, when i fly against an opponent, i always think he's flyig with "no-handicap" and at his maximum TV, joypad controller / sensitivity / cockpit performance, ready to shoot lead on my ass. so NO MERCY :D ! I personally love flying in cockpit view and sometimes full sensitivity too, but i like fair games so i goes into that options only when previously agreeded with the players. Maybe next time i'll ask about their TV brightness too lol

Also, I feel like the dev added the black out effect just to make the game looks nicer, probably to disturb your sight on darker map ( i can hardly see ad dawn or sunset mission or while flying cloud covered in blackouts) , it's just a nice feature. If they really wanted to 100% blind you on blackouts, they would make it fade to completely black. Or, maybe, blending the enemy plane ( making him progressively transparent ) while fade out. There are several way to achive that kind of effect in 3d games... I wonder why they have not added the same on negative G but only positive.

Of course, those are my opinion. Take it easy and have fun! :)

FOZ_1983 06-08-2011 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdomini (Post 294950)
I completely disagree with you.

Tweaking on the in game brightness or TV to see better it's like lowering elevator sensitivity while flying a plane, avoiding stalling, or disable the cockpit view when available. It's just a personal setting, definetly not a way of cheating. If the devs wanted a fixed brightness settings they wouldn't allowed you the option, or, like most recent game ( dead space 2 for example ), they would make you set the bright level in-game, comparing the slider value with a brightness reference picture.

Feel like flying at 0 brightness? Do it.
Feel like flying full sensitivity? Do it.
Feel like flying cockpit? Do it.

But don't blame other for cheating if the don't do the same. Some people still play on CRT TV, some don't have a full HD plasma tv, i mean... It's your personal decision. It's not the brightness settings that will save your wings against a skilled pilot.

Also, I feel like the dev added the black out effect just to make the game looks nicer, probably to disturb your sight on darker map ( i can hardly see ad dawn or sunset mission or while flying cloud covered ) , it's just a nice feature. I wonder why they have not added the same on negative G but only positive.

Of course, those are my opinion. Take it easy and have fun! :)

If im honest then i have to disagree with you.

I'm not quite sure how the blackout effect works on the PS3 since we dont have it really on the 360.

But...

I would consider turning your brightness up as cheating or gaining an unfair advantage.

If your on the 6 of an enemy and he pulls a sharp turn to try and lose you, he will be pulling to many G's and will surely black out. You being on his 6 so close will do the same and also black out,thus somewhre during the black out between both of you then you could potentially lose your target. Unfortunate but thats the way it goes, thats black out for you.

Now..

If we adjust brightness settings, then while your opponent pulls a sharp turn to lose you (thus blacking out) you will have your brightness up, and will still be able to have him in your sights even though the effects of black out should be in play, giving you an unfair advantage over your opponent, letting you get the shots off you need to destroy him.

Thats just my 2 cents worth :)

Thankfully this effect doesnt really happen on the 360.


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