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If you look at the Igromir videos closely you can easily see that most of the guys flying the sim had almost no clue what they were doing or used hamfisted inputs = lot's of stalls etc. Or plainly just gave a quick grab'n'go to the game. And if the FM was not at full there, even more so. I bet most of the guys here have thousands of hours behind the joystick and that they would not yank/bank the planes like those guys there.

I expect a lot better FM/DM from CoD over IL-2. Soon we will see.

I see. So no interest in even discussing what Oleg has said about something as fundamental to a combat flight sim as a flight model. Thanks for playing.

I get that there is a lot of faith that the FMs will be excellent. That is my hope too. But I haven't seen a lot of discussion about it and was looking for anything people know that would indicate, beyond faith, that the FMs will be "even better." I have been flying RoF these last several months and the first thing that struck me about that sim was how much more (than IL-2) it created the sense of actual flying. So, considering the imminent release of CoD, I suddenly have a little worry that it could mean going back to a FM that feels less convincing.

As I said, I will be buying the game and will certainly know a lot more then. Just was wanting to know if any meaningful discussions had been had regarding the FM in CoD.

For me this is an essential feature of this game.

The idea that this game tries to be as faithful as possible flight-model-wise is one of the things that captivates my interest most.

Its obviously gonna be improved, refined and better than the original IL2.

Let's put it this way: we know that Oleg has spent a good deal of time adding more factors to the flight model that were not possible in IL2 and refined the algorithms to more accurately model the mechanics of flight.

As to the accuracy of FM's to your particular favourite plane, expect the b1tching about some bias or other to be no less than it was for the last ten years of IL2.

If your favourite plane's performance is somewhat less in the sim than you wish it to be based on all the books you may have read, pilot interviews, movies seen and charts pored over, than the FM's will suck, and we'll read about it here.

That's hopeful news as I had not read anything about him adjusting the physics modeling of flight.

As to bitching -- that's for bitches. :-)

My concerns here are not about whether the flying performance for any given plane matches my expectations. But whatever it is it should still feel like flight.

If I remember it correctly we got the BoB FM in the 4.01 patch from mid 2005 so we already have it ;)

From the 4.01 readme:

"4.01 introduces the next generation pre-Battle of Britain Flight Model (FM). In this add-on we are introducing a part of the FM from our next simulation."

Seriously - IL2 is good enough so any improvement is just a bonus. Sure the turbulence handling could need some tweaking and the ground handling feels a bit "scripted"... And maybe some multi engine prop/torque stuff... And... :)

I think this question reverberates on more than one level, I would love to see more dev involvement in the forums or atleast more videos/english interviews for features and gameplay. I feel there is just so much we dont know yet :(

who cares about the FM when the grass has a wrong colour

And I want a pony!