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Ltbear 01-10-2011 10:01 AM

ME-110 E1 code S9+MP

Unit 1./6 ZG1 "wespe"

Only period 1./6 ZG1 was in Italy was 5.43 - 8.43 locatet at Montecourvino as part of II. Fliegerkorps who flew Bf-110`s

Here are a few pictures

http://i49.tinypic.com/24e83ep.jpg

http://i45.tinypic.com/2mcx9c3.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/11gj51k.jpg


Doing the time in Italy it had three diffrent GS commodores

Obstlt Alfred Druschel, 1.3.43 - 12.4.43
Obstlt Joachim Blechschmidt, 12.4.43 - 13.7.43
Obstlt Lothar von Janson, 1943 - 10.3.44

As a unit it was disbanded 7.44

Cant find pilot details concerning that specific plane.

Mysticpuma 01-10-2011 01:26 PM

Outstanding reply. Many, many thanks. Cheers, MP

Ltbear 01-10-2011 02:14 PM

Well to dig into this i found a small bit of more information.

Monte Corvino airfield was abandon by Sep 1943 not sure about the specific date, but deffently september

here is a few more images. These images compared to the ones you have shown is proberbly one who have been stripped of spareparts, look at the simularity between your pictures and these ones.

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-110/Bf...no-1943-01.jpg

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-110/Bf...no-1943-02.jpg

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-110/Bf...no-1943-03.jpg

I dont think it was shot down. When i look at these other pictures it looks like a wright of, being used as spareparts.

Cant find any record for for this plane, but can find losses for other planes, this one is not recorded as a loss from what i can figure out lol...

well, maby Zack knows the person on these other pictures..

**small update**

ZG1 was withdrawn from Italy in late august 1943

They were redesignatet 1./ZG26 and changed from BF-110 to JU-88C

So we have a timeframe.

They arived march 1943 and departet late august 1943

1./ZG1 Gruppenkommandeure Monte corvino

Major Joachim Blechschmidt, 20 August 1942 – 12 April 1943
Hauptmann Wilfried Hermann, April 43 – 14 July 1943
Hauptmann Max Franzisket 14 July 1943 – 19 July 1943

There is a wired gab between July and Oktober, cant find info on who was GC doing that time

Rodolphe 01-10-2011 04:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ltbear (Post 210861)
ME-110 E1 code S9+MP


With the frame behind the Führersitz, this One-Ten is most likely a G-2. ;)


http://www.checksix-forums.com/galle...amaged110a.JPG


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robtek 01-10-2011 09:16 PM

All 110's in the pictures have that frame, it seems.

Zorin 01-11-2011 12:54 AM

There is even video footage of the captured Montecorvino airfield.

Look here:

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65...munition-boxes

Three videos (check column on the right) and even a few frames of the Bf 110s that were left behind.

The planes were most definitely of the G-2/trop type.

fireflyerz 01-11-2011 08:00 AM

Bombed up 190's , looks like they left in a hurry.

leggit 01-11-2011 08:48 AM

my first impression was the aircraft had been stripped rather than shot down. :)

Ltbear 01-11-2011 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodolphe (Post 210912)
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With the frame behind the Führersitz, this One-Ten is most likely a G-2. ;)


http://www.checksix-forums.com/galle...amaged110a.JPG


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I would agree with you, but all info i can find on S9+MP state its a E1 ?? You have info that give the correct model please post lol.....This have bugged me abit...

LTbear

Mysticpuma 01-11-2011 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ltbear (Post 210900)
Well to dig into this i found a small bit of more information.

Monte Corvino airfield was abandon by Sep 1943 not sure about the specific date, but deffently september

here is a few more images. These images compared to the ones you have shown is proberbly one who have been stripped of spareparts, look at the simularity between your pictures and these ones.

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-110/Bf...no-1943-01.jpg

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-110/Bf...no-1943-02.jpg

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-110/Bf...no-1943-03.jpg

I dont think it was shot down. When i look at these other pictures it looks like a wright of, being used as spareparts.

Cant find any record for for this plane, but can find losses for other planes, this one is not recorded as a loss from what i can figure out lol...

well, maby Zack knows the person on these other pictures..

**small update**

ZG1 was withdrawn from Italy in late august 1943

They were redesignatet 1./ZG26 and changed from BF-110 to JU-88C

So we have a timeframe.

They arived march 1943 and departet late august 1943

1./ZG1 Gruppenkommandeure Monte corvino

Major Joachim Blechschmidt, 20 August 1942 – 12 April 1943
Hauptmann Wilfried Hermann, April 43 – 14 July 1943
Hauptmann Max Franzisket 14 July 1943 – 19 July 1943

There is a wired gab between July and Oktober, cant find info on who was GC doing that time

Some more excellent information guys, thanks again.

Although they do look likely to have been stripped, I still wonder if these were actually shot up though?

If you look at the last two-pictures there are certainly bullet-holes visible. In the close-up of the guy holding the wire, there are multiple holes in the nose and in the wider shot, look above the wing and also the tail of the painted wasp?

Maybe they were stripped for spares after being damaged, or stripped as they couldn't be repaired before the airfield was over-run?

The video links were really interesting too, thanks for everything.

Cheers, MP


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