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Dano 12-19-2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by engarde (Post 205438)
hahahahaaa

you could have easily determined what I had posted, but you complained anyway.

thank GOD for the forum whiners.

a typical forum stalwart.

:D

No, I merely pointed out how pointless it was to post an edited link when using the proper one was easier, sorry that you took offense :rolleyes:

swiss 12-19-2010 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by engarde (Post 205439)
hmmm.

why dont you tell me.

:)

There were even Airliners who landed without (the mid air lost) empennage.
They start to skid and roll, but they still keep flying.

And: The B2 flies too, right?

Fafnir_6 12-20-2010 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by moilami (Post 205419)
Rofl I find the title of the video offending :lol:

Haha! Good one Moilami :).

Fafnir_6

badfinger 12-20-2010 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by swiss (Post 205423)
Actually an IAF F15 landed without the starboard wing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7PBHawwpeM

Must have been a FM bug too, lol.

The whole F-15 landing without a wing story is an urban legend.

binky9

K_Freddie 12-22-2010 11:31 AM

This is nothing..
I've landed a p40 without rudder, elevators (only a small section of the right tail plane was left - everything else was...gone) IN the midst of a freewheeling battle.

They call me a hero!! :-P
:cool:

EJGr.Ost_Caspar 12-22-2010 11:57 AM

Guys, its quite easy in fact: The veritical fin is not the only thing, that prevents a plane from skid and shift sidewards. The whole hull itself does also. Some planes have a wider hull, some a tighter. How big the ammount of helping stabilizing is, is determind by the shape, the lenght and the area.
Never wondered why such planes like this could fly wonderfull even with such small fin (is there even any?):

http://www.heinrichsen.de/tinairforc...n/image005.jpg
http://www.repligun.com/Gifs/Aircraf...denburg_DI.jpg
http://www.rollmodels.net/nreviews/a...s/w29/w298.jpg

Its the fuselage, that also helps.
It is different with planes with more power and, torgue and rounded fuselages, but still, the effect is existant.

And I can imagine, that a pilot can do wonders with increasing and decreasing the power of the outside engines, just to correct the orientation of his B-29.

It not a handy nor an simple flying, and its much dangerous, but I don't think, its impossible.

Splitter 12-22-2010 03:28 PM

The good news is that if you lose either rudder or elevators, the other can be used to perform the same function...just tilt the wings. Like when you are in a tight turn with wings almost perpendicular to the ground...your rudder is acting like an elevator relative to the ground.

Now, when you lose both, you have serious trouble. I have never successfully landed a virtual single engine plane after losing both rudder and elevators. I'm sure others can and have, but I have never been able to get the power balance right without nose diving lol. Twin engine planes give a little more control with differential thrust but my success in landing isn't even 50% even then.

My last mission in a Pacific campaign ended with a successful (relative term) carrier landing with no vertical stabilizer and only one elevator. Without that little but of elevator control, I would have been going for a swim lol.

Splitter

swiss 12-22-2010 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by binky9 (Post 205638)
The whole F-15 landing without a wing story is an urban legend.

binky9


You should supply proof.

janpitor 12-22-2010 04:49 PM

I saw some photos and also a video...so it´s not an urban legend...It´s fully possible because of the width of fuselage and engines

choctaw111 12-22-2010 05:31 PM

Approximately 83%?
That made me laugh :)


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