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Furio 12-14-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger (Post 204525)
imagine the wonderful noise, heat and smell of cordite in there :cool:


Imagine doing that while performing high g manoeuvring!
If I’m not mistaken, the same system was employed on early Ju88 night fighters.

Sven 12-14-2010 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger (Post 204525)
imagine the wonderful noise, heat and smell of cordite in there :cool:

If you think hard enough you'll smell it too! Lovely:grin:

Just a side-question, I didn't know the barrels of the 110's cannons were that long , the bullet must have had a higher velocity than lets say a 109's nose cannon, is that modelled in IL2, if not, I hope that will be modelled in SoWBoB, that is if my theory is right;)

Sven

winny 12-14-2010 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven (Post 204531)
If you think hard enough you'll smell it too! Lovely:grin:

Just a side-question, I didn't know the barrels of the 110's cannons were that long , the bullet must have had a higher velocity than lets say a 109's nose cannon, is that modelled in IL2, if not, I hope that will be modelled in SoWBoB, that is if my theory is right;)

Sven

I'm pulling this from memory so I could be wrong (I'm sure someone will let us know!)...

I think the 20mm in the 110 was the same as the ones fitted to 109's. ie. the MGFF. At least till 1941, where they switched them over to the MG151 20mm.

JG53Frankyboy 12-14-2010 06:52 PM

the barrels of the MG-FF/M ended long before the holes in the nose, they ended ~ below the pilot seat ! the shells had to "fly" through over-caliber tubes.

this was also the case with nose fitted Mg151 and MK108 in the later 109 series !
the barrels for sure not ended in the spinner hole :D

and yes, the Bf110C,D,E,F had the same canons as the Bf109E.
C-1,-2 had MG-FF, from C-3 on MG-FF/M. Exception was the C-6 with a MK101 30mm instead of the two 20mm...........
From 110G the 20mm were MG151/20 belt fed.

and true about the Beaufighter Mk.I , but it will be not flyable, only AI, in the first release AFAIK :(

TinyTim 12-14-2010 06:53 PM

The barrel wasn't any longer, it was an ordinary MG-FF. Just like the barrel of the MK108 on the Bf 109 didn't extend all the way from the cannon to the end of the spinner, it was much shorter. Blast tube of 5cm radius was installed from the end of the cannon barrel through the engine and through the spinner. The case was the same on the Bf 110.

EDIT: Franky beat me to it :)

Igo kyu 12-14-2010 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy (Post 204569)
the barrels of the MG-FF/M ended long before the holes in the nose, they ended ~ below the pilot seat ! the shells had to "fly" through over-caliber tubes.(

That means, if you fired at high g, you could hit the inside of the blast tubes! I wonder whether any aircraft were damaged or lost that way?

robtek 12-14-2010 08:22 PM

i think they saved the heavy guns for acccurate shooting, for high g deflection shooting the 4 mg17 should been enough

KnightFandragon 12-15-2010 05:39 AM

Will bombers be able to reload in flight period in SoW? Its kinda annoying now to be flying in a bomber, run out of ammo, look around, see Ammo boxes sitting around and cant use them. Im sure crews went up with extra ammo right?

JG53Frankyboy 12-15-2010 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by KnightFandragon (Post 204631)
Will bombers be able to reload in flight period in SoW? Its kinda annoying now to be flying in a bomber, run out of ammo, look around, see Ammo boxes sitting around and cant use them. Im sure crews went up with extra ammo right?

IIRC we already saw a Moskau Show video where the the drumchange of a Ju87s MG15 was animated :)

TinyTim 12-15-2010 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Igo kyu (Post 204586)
That means, if you fired at high g, you could hit the inside of the blast tubes! I wonder whether any aircraft were damaged or lost that way?

That's impossible because the g value for something like this to occur is far too high.


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