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Originally Posted by T.}{.O.R. (Post 179498)

Rodolphe, do you have some images of the He-111 with the nose MG pointing upwards?

I have two images that I can post if no one else posts them first. Too late right now for me to post them.

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1. Nose gunner never sat like that. I have never seen a seat mounted there, plus physically there is no space to put the feet like that!

I could not find any photo (among numerous pictures available) of that "Bomber/Navigator/Gunner" crew member sitting on the front of the "Liegeboden" (bench).
Though not totaly impossible, this sitting posture is very unlikely.

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Liege1.jpg

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Liege4.jpg

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Liege7.jpg

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Liege8.jpg

The most usual lay down position.

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Liege6.jpg

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Liege12.jpg

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Liege3.jpg

The usual sitting position is on this folding "jump" seat.

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Liege11.jpg

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Liege9.jpg

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Liege10.jpg

On this poor quality picture, crewmembers take up the "Liegeboden" and the "Klappsitz" (folding seat).

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Liege2.jpg

Frantisek, B-Stand, auf Gefechtsstation !! ;)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...11P_Norway.jpg
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You should take a look at this video:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3o...ovietique_tech
it shows a H11, but the most is similar to the H2

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Originally Posted by Rodolphe (Post 179653)

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Liege8.jpg

Does this picture show that the forward 'glass bowl' can be rotated and thus the MG that usually points down can point up? With this mechanism shown on the diagram I mean... or is this for something else?

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Originally Posted by FG28_Kodiak (Post 179660)

You should take a look at this video:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3o...ovietique_tech
it shows a H11, but the most is similar to the H2

Yeah it is He-111 H-11, but never the less some interesting things can be seen in the video - for example: nose gunner/bombardier can also act as a copilot by moving over the control yoke from pilots position. I wonder if we will have this option in SoW? :)

Hello everyone!

Sorry did not follow up earlier.
First the Do-17z,

THEN lightning hit my house and fried my internet. Still down.

Doing this from work (first day back)...

1. I see a healthy debate on the nose gunner
2. Missed the note on the gunner.
3. Did not know of that more cylindrical antenna, but it also looks different from the one modeled.

Finally that one modern picture of a fella in the top turret of 111 (couple of posts above, Rodolphe noted), that me!! :D

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Originally Posted by Frantishek (Post 179846)

3. Did not know of that more cylindrical antenna, but it also looks different from the one modeled.

To me it looks just right, not so detailed, but just right.

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Originally Posted by T.}{.O.R. (Post 179700)

Does this picture show that the forward 'glass bowl' can be rotated and thus the MG that usually points down can point up?

Yes, the Kuppellafette DG 1114-A serves as a mobile cupola for the MG 15.

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Lafetten.jpg

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/DG1114.jpg

On the video of FG28 Kodiak, the Kuppellafette equiped with the MG FF on this He111, can't be rotate.

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/MGFF.jpg

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/MGFF20.jpg

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Originally Posted by T.}{.O.R. (Post 179700)

With this mechanism shown on the diagram I mean... or is this for something else?

It's the Bomben-Klappen operating system.

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39...benKlappen.jpg

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39...enKlappen1.jpg
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Compare the A2-Stand MG 15 behavior.

Zurren die waffe, (Secure the weapon with the rope).

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Liege6.jpg

Entzurre die waffe

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/3D3.jpg

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Originally Posted by Rodolphe (Post 179884)

Yes, the Kuppellafette DG 1114-A serves as a mobile cupola for the MG 15.

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Lafetten.jpg

This should help clear up the operation:

He-111 A-Stand (nose gunner) operation (and yes, that is correct number for cupola, and yes, I misspelled cupola):

[youtube]wBhGp23NS_s[/youtube]

This video of the H-2 does show the function well, couple of minor details off.
Still, incredibly impressive!
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