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Soviet Ace 07-21-2010 04:11 AM

1. La-5s, La-7s, I-16s, I-153s, Yak-1s, Yak-9s, and Yak-3s could all out maneuver a 109, 190, Hurricane, and Spitfire in rolling or turning (basically horizontal dogfights). Reason for this, being the Russian planes had no guns in the wings which gave them lighter wings (they were also made of woods and light metals, rather than most American or German planes) and easier so had better rolling and turning abilities (also they were slower and thus could turn sharper, etc)... that's why 190s have their guns more inboard, because it gave them a better roll rate and able to get into a turn faster than say a 109 with guns in the wings. (Also, that's why F series 109s have guns in the nose, because of rolling and turning; rather than having like the Gs with guns on the wings again.)

2. Well to be frank, it is a bit uneven. But during the early years on the Eastern Front of WW2, Russian squadrons would go up in full force with every pilot they could get up and fight off the German invaders. As for AI, you're never getting a good AI in a game like this, especially with how much it was funded and stuff. (Not much effort was really put forth because of 505's idiocy.) As for I-16s taking on 109s in a dogfight, a I-16 would win hands down in a turn or rolling fight. the 109's best chance is to dive (because of it's more aerodynamic body) or to climb (because once again it's body.)

As for everything else, I think everyone who's posted has laid it all down on the table pretty plainly and straight forward with the facts.

bobbysocks 07-21-2010 06:16 AM

kjwright....if you have been competitive in a P 51 then i really want you to mentor me! if you look at my sig you will see it is where my heart lays....but no matter what setting i choose it is a spinning POC below 5 grand at speeds it should never have stalled at no matter what the settings. it is my understanding they ( the settings) were loaded for an ac with drop tanks ( full)...so that would account for the crappy performance. but if you are terrorizing the skies in a 'stang....buddy i am your willing student. teach me.

Dementia_Seven 07-21-2010 06:58 AM

Settings
 
ok thank you for ur reply

lets go to the elevator settings if it was so important. i guess it just keeps you from turning the plane to hard and make the whole thing unstable. normal spit gets 5 fields minus maximum and a bf109 three

someone told me online a silver mustang needs 6 klicks minus maximm but i cant control the plane real good as bevore. could u help??? whe i move into o loop and make a bit of rudder at the top to purchase my enemy it mostly spinns out. the elevator 5-6 klicks even with the foker wulfs, how should i set the elevator?

And i have to say the foker wulf ta152 was given us for free and it flys like that. but if you read the rare reports of that plane at the end of the war you will find out that this mashine rescue the lives of thier pilots through the lasst days of ww2. in the reports is written than it could turn perfectly in the sky and so on. why did the developers made such a joke out of that plane?

thanks for reading...

winny 07-21-2010 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kjwright (Post 170972)
I beg to differ good sir. Ive seen and have been competitive In both the P51 and P47. It all comes down to settings on your controller. Also I prefer the BF109F-4 for the same reasons real life pilots like Gunther Rall did. And that is the extra Weapons and armor make the g-models sluggish. But I have to give Demetia this and that the 190 should be able to turn a hell of alot better then it does.

I meant when you first play it online. Like I said the good pilots can be competieive in pretty much any type.

kjwright 07-21-2010 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbysocks (Post 170980)
kjwright....if you have been competitive in a P 51 then i really want you to mentor me! if you look at my sig you will see it is where my heart lays....but no matter what setting i choose it is a spinning POC below 5 grand at speeds it should never have stalled at no matter what the settings. it is my understanding they ( the settings) were loaded for an ac with drop tanks ( full)...so that would account for the crappy performance. but if you are terrorizing the skies in a 'stang....buddy i am your willing student. teach me.

I usally set the setting 1 click more then half way. now every now and then i may finish 1st or 2nd usally im atleast in the top 5. and i go based off the principles set in ww1. maainly attacking with height advantage. Cause thats how most pilots got kills was do to the fact that the enemy didnt know they were their until it was to late. and with the .50cals you have to get top of fuselage and the cockpit. i usually throttle back when i feel they are gonna make a turn or go vertical then pull up after them and drift the bullets down into the cockpit or go for the wing tips. when being chased i go as low as possible and keep turning, make the other guy worry about crashing just never stay in straight line. Now im not a expert but im grasping the lack of cannon issues and doin well. my first team battle in sim i got compliments for even with me in a P47 i got 8 kills

Dementia_Seven 07-21-2010 09:30 AM

the foker wulf ta152 was given us for free and it flys like that. but if you read the rare reports of that plane at the end of the war you will find out that this mashine rescue the lives of thier pilots through the lasst days of ww2. in the reports is written than it could turn perfectly in the sky and so on. why did the developers made such a joke out of that plane?

is there any threat for elevatorsettings to set all planes right in sim mode?

so please Soviet Ace: i guess the la`s got wingguns! please correct me if i´m wrong about this.

and i got another question: the wep or how its called is an extra injection of fuel ore something. every plane got onother wep energy and time in the real life. why is the wep-time in arcade so short and in sim mode u can use it all the time? i guess in arcade u should not fly so fast unlimited but why could u use it unlimited in sim?

thx for reading

SEE 07-21-2010 10:52 AM

BOP is not a true flight Sim, all the ac in BOP outperform their historical counterparts.

Soviet Ace 07-21-2010 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dementia_Seven (Post 171004)
the foker wulf ta152 was given us for free and it flys like that. but if you read the rare reports of that plane at the end of the war you will find out that this mashine rescue the lives of thier pilots through the lasst days of ww2. in the reports is written than it could turn perfectly in the sky and so on. why did the developers made such a joke out of that plane?

is there any threat for elevatorsettings to set all planes right in sim mode?

so please Soviet Ace: i guess the la`s got wingguns! please correct me if i´m wrong about this.

and i got another question: the wep or how its called is an extra injection of fuel ore something. every plane got onother wep energy and time in the real life. why is the wep-time in arcade so short and in sim mode u can use it all the time? i guess in arcade u should not fly so fast unlimited but why could u use it unlimited in sim?

thx for reading

No, no La ever had outboard wing guns. Always in the nose. Even after the war, La's didn't have outboard wing guns because it reduced their ability to roll and turn sharper. (That's why all 190s could out turn or roll a Spit; because of the wings and the guns in the wings. The Spitfire had it easier when they clipped the wings, but the outboard wing guns didn't make the problem any better in the end.)

And just to note, you do know that Henrich Focke (one of them men to bring the 190 together) and Anthony Fokker (the man who made some planes for German in WW1, and then just for the Netherlands in the 1920s on wards) are two different people, right? One's an actual German, and the other's a Dutchman.

Robotic Pope 07-21-2010 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kjwright (Post 170972)
I beg to differ good sir. Ive seen and have been competitive In both the P51 and P47. It all comes down to settings on your controller. Also I prefer the BF109F-4 for the same reasons real life pilots like Gunther Rall did. And that is the extra Weapons and armor make the g-models sluggish. But I have to give Demetia this and that the 190 should be able to turn a hell of alot better then it does.

Turning a Thunderbolt or Mustang in a fur-ball is going to get you dead no matter what you do with the settings. Turning fights are what the majority of people do in this game and I would say 99% of new players rely on very quick turn rate. so really what winny says is true. The La-7 in my opinion is the "newb plane" as some whould say.

I agree you can be competitive in the P-47 and 51 but it is MUCH more difficult and recomended only for experts. Also The 190F is my favourite 109 for the same reason, it was a dogfighter unlike the later 109s that were more bomber destroyers.

Spln_Sir 07-21-2010 01:11 PM

109 G6 for Newbies
 
If your aim isn't that good a 109 G6 is better than an LA7. Once you get aiming down switch to whatever and play with settings.


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