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Crumpp 12-21-2009 07:19 PM
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the propeller had metal blades
Right, AFAIK all the production Hurricanes 3 bladed propellers used in service were metal.

Now for my original question...

Without taking a guess, what defines this picture as occurring during the Battle of France?

Hurricanes were definitely shot down over France after the Battle of Britain.

SlipBall 12-21-2009 07:41 PM
It seem's possible that this aircraft was in use by the axis prior to its demise. This of course is based on the lack of raf markings...just saying

Skarphol 12-21-2009 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Igo kyu (Post 130433)
(I always think of Norway as cold, but I suppose that's a possibility).
Norway is not a possibility unless this Hurricane was taking off from an aircraft carrier or MAC-ship, both very unlikely. I don't think any Hurricane ever flew over Norway during WWII. I'm allmost 100% certain that a Hurricane has never been shot down here, anyway.
But the scenery could have been in Norway.

Skarphol

Igo kyu 12-21-2009 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Skarphol (Post 130481)
Norway is not a possibility unless this Hurricane was taking off from an aircraft carrier or MAC-ship, both very unlikely. I don't think any Hurricane ever flew over Norway during WWII. I'm allmost 100% certain that a Hurricane has never been shot down here, anyway.
But the scenery could have been in Norway.

Skarphol
I knew I remembered something like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Campaign
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After the Allied failure in Central Norway, more preparation was given to the northern forces, including two squadrons of carrier-transported fighters operating from Bardufoss Air Station, one of them consisting of Hurricanes, the other of Gloster Gladiators.
It seems 10 Hurricanes were lost at sea on the way back, I presume there were more, but I don't know so.

Skarphol 12-22-2009 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Igo kyu (Post 130511)
I knew I remembered something like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_Campaign


It seems 10 Hurricanes were lost at sea on the way back, I presume there were more, but I don't know so.
Hi!

You are completely right, and I am completely wrong in this case!!
I had totally forgotten about that squadron who came with HMS Glorious, and was lost on their way back home to Britain.

Some of them where shot down during the Norwegian campaign; like this one: http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/strand.html

or this one:
http://ktsorens.tihlde.org/flyvrak/tjeldoya.html

Then, of course, there are the Russian Hurricanes that flew over Norway from bases in Murmansk.

Skarphol

Crumpp 12-22-2009 10:22 AM
You really think the terrain in the picture looks like Norway?

I think it looks closer to France.

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28-Jun-41. Hawker Hurricane AP516 UZ-X. P/O J. Zulikowski.
Shot down by Bf109 over France during Circus 26.
http://www.polishsquadronsremembered...06_losses.html

Crumpp 12-22-2009 10:48 AM
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The first was mounted on 10 January 1941 and consisted of six Blenheims with an escort of six squadrons of Spitfires and Hurricanes. It cost the RAF one Hurricane shot down and two Spitfires written off in landing accidents, one pilot being fatally injured.
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On 7 August, six Blenheims were escorted by 18 squadrons of Spitfires and two of Hurricanes. The Luftwaffe refused to be drawn: nevertheless, five Spitfires and a Hurricane were lost.
http://www.deltaweb.co.uk/spitfire/into_fr.htm

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May 1941 No 71 receives Hurricane IIAs.
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July 1941 No 71 flies 568 operational missions.
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2 July 1941 While escorting Blenheim bombers to Lille, France, No 71 is jumped by 25 to 30 Me 109Es. S/L Woodhouse destroyed a 109, Gus Daymond destroyed a 109, P/O Bill Dunn destroyed a 109, and Bob Mannix got a damaged. Bill Hall bailed and was taken POW.
http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/timeline.html

Igo kyu 12-22-2009 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Crumpp (Post 130601)
You really think the terrain in the picture looks like Norway?

I think it looks closer to France.
Sure, but it's not impossible it's Norway, that's all I was saying, I didn't even know for sure Hurricanes were lost there until today.

About whether the man in the photo is wearing a German uniform, the collar of the uniform looks German to me. Though on a second look I'm not so sure about German, but I think not British, though I'm aware I'm no expert.

Crumpp 12-22-2009 06:57 PM
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Sure, but it's not impossible it's Norway, that's all I was saying, I didn't even know for sure Hurricanes were lost there until today.
It is not impossible at all. I just thought there might have been some definitive feature that pinned it at Norway.

I am still looking for the definitive detail that pins it as the Battle of France.

SlipBall 12-22-2009 08:06 PM
Placing the aircraft's location would be impossible, but it is an interesting photo


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