The Red Baron is out on DVD, but not here in the US. For some reason, they've decided to hold off on a US release or something? I would love to get my hands on a copy though, so maybe I'll have to get one from Amazon.de?

Anyway, I agree that OVT will last longer than Stealth tech. I mean there are no other countries in the world that are using stealth as an offensive measure besides the US. France, Britain, Germany, etc. etc. are all either keeping with what they have or just modifying their current stuff to accommodate the changing times. Russia is smart because they're not over thinking their bounds, and are keeping with OVT. While the US is definitely over thinking the situations. I don't think there are any current US enemies or threats that are using technology for or against stealth planes. :P

has anyone seen this? :S

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyjNI...eature=related

Thats a classic scene. I remember seeing that on TV when I was a kid. The aircraft carrier gets sucked through some time vortex to Pearl Harbour just before the Japanese attack.
Speaking of Pearl Harbour, the film was rubbish but there were some nice scenes when the US fighters finally take off. Only about 2 minutes worth though.
Red Barron was good but the ground based drama was pretty poor.
Blue Max and Battle Of Britain of course are the best.
Nobody mentioned Aces High. That was pretty disturbing to see as a young kid. I always remember the guy jumping from his plane burning all the way down

Cheers for posting that clip edal, brightened up Monday morning no end :)
Although now I want to watch the whole film - I love Final Countdown.

Probably a stupid question guys, but what's "OVT"?

Those are some great films.... but you all seem to have missed out the best Air combat movie ever made - Iron Eagle! The story of a brave "All American" teenager, who steals an F16 and takes on an entire middle eastern country by himself (With a bit of help from Lou Gossett Jnr), just to save his dad... and, it has music by Queen.

The only possible film that can match that is Iron Eagle 3 (thanks for the correction DKwookie), when Lou Gossett Jnr gets together a bunch of WW2 pilots (one Yank, one Brit, A German, and one Japanese) to come out of retirement to fly one last mission... I can't find any youtube clips, but trust me, its awesome (In a cheesy, crap way)


In all seriousness though, Battle of Britain and The Blue Max are great movies, with awesome aerial photography. Some of the stuff in Top Gun is also pretty good (shame about the rest of the movie).
I'm looking forward to seeing George Lucas's film "Red Tails", about the Tuskogee airmen, but I suspect it will be a CGI filled cheesefest.

And speaking of George Lucas............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OZq-tlJTrU

LOL, that was Iron Eagle 3 with the old aces.

Iron Eagle 4 is even worse, he goes into battle with a bunch of teenagers:

http://uk.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1610416921/

Quote of the day from that trailer
"Its two kids sir"
"Shoot them"

Otklanyayemi Vektor Tyagi, It's what we call deflection thrust vectoring

Go here to see it in action At 5mins 40 is it does super cobra which is very impressive.

Ah yes, the Final Countdown. 90 minutes of building up to what could have been an *incredible* alternate timeline flick...but not. LOL
If only there was a sequel with them still in 1941 kicking ass in that carrier!

Read Weapons of Choice by John Birmingham for a more pro-active take on that kind of situation. :)


The only things that really got shot down in Iron Eagle were the last remnants of respectability in Louis Gossett Jr's career.

Ermmm ok thanks :) Don't see how it beats stealth technology then...?

But I see you got taken by surprise by the auto-embedding of YouTube links too lol. I did first time I did it...

I found someone has a mod for Flight Sim 2004 to fly in the Mig 31 Firefox. Going to give it a try later.
Some youtube footage of it in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HknN4...eature=related

still a sweet looking design over 25 years later