What we can say here is by the time of the 70th anniversary of the first Martian olympic games, thousands of people will be playing patch 4.10

Quoted for emphasis.

Dear daidalus team in il.2 sturmoivik 1946 patch 4.09 you find in the list of airplane not light.
yes airplane not have the function light on-off and have only the texture light.(this is a bug)
And also i hate AUTOMATIC FLAPS not good.

:rolleyes: ... what can i say

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dont quote it plz

S!

The delay will not exist if DT had not scheduled a date for its release.

If they had just announced a future release without an scheduled set for others patchs, there would be no such anxiety...

This is an error that can be highlighted (mainly because of it squads, like mine, have taken some important decisions ). The problem is not the delay itself, which is normal in softwares developments ...

Doesn't look like it.

Given the amount of work that DT have already put in to the 4.09 and 4.10 patches, the idea that they won't release 4.10 is utterly ridiculous: they've already told us that it is in the final debugging stages, and that Oleg is looking at the Guide to give final approval.

The extent they will be inclined to do more after this patch is possibly questionable, given the attitude of some of the ungrateful whining brats who frequent this forum, who clearly think their clueless drivel is of any significance. It isn't. Nothing you say is going to make anything happen sooner, though keep it up and things may not happen at all.

I think the right person to ask now about patch 4.10 is Oleg M.

DT wrote here that they finished 4.10 patch and sended it to Oleg M. for accept. Since these time there is no info about patch relase and silence.

So i think that Oleg M. for some reason dont allow them to relase patch.

What is a reason we could only think.

So now the right person to ask for patch 4.10 delay is not DT ( who made their homework) but rather Oleg M. ?

So maby community should aks Oleg M. why he is delaying any info and relase of patch 4.10 which i belive is very good work of DT and hope for making some improvements for these old game? MAby too good or too many improvements?

Pretty much agree with you. The full 4.09 patch was an astonishing bonus, which I had fair given up on ever seeing. But then I looked back on the fora after a gap of about a year and hey presto, this mysterious cabal of fab fanatics Team Daidalos had materialised and, in a rush of enthusiasm, had completed the patch - the file growing from the beta by around a half in the process. I was - and remain - in clover. I love the Me 410 and fly it almost exclusively. Thank you TD for including it - and the modellers for creating it.

I what they may now be regretting as wild optimism, TD then published an intention to supply a regularly-spaced sequence of further patches. The projected content of 4.10 seems to have grown enormously since then and fair gobbled up their projected timetable. It sounds almost like as serious a step-change as from FB+AEP+PF to 1946.

We cannot complain at all. I suspect though that TD may be slightly regretting not better managing expectations. Another contributor recently asked TD whether they could state when the patch will NOT be issued - as in "not this week" or "not before Christmas", for example. There may be some mileage in this approach.

Gee, maybe Oleg is freaking busy? Maybe DT never said that they were sending the patch to Oleg for approval, but the Readme? Maybe DT is busting their asses trying to get this thing out?

I shouldn't be surprised over the conspiracy theories, hell it took 40 years to figure out that Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy.

Im quite sure that these is not speculation but facts which here not many see behind the lines :P

Even if Oleg is so much busy i think he should give free hand for DT as he gave them credit for making IL2 patches. They proved that they are making good job for these sim. Or maby too good ?

DT never said, the 4.10 was finished to the state, where it can be released to public. And it is not yet.

The only reason - the patch isn't yet finished. No need to speculate further.

PS Well said, BadAim.

I thought it was the fake cop in the grassy knoll?

I personally like your theory very much :evil::evil::evil:

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Wow that sentence is an instant classic... ;)

You don't make any sense.

Mua-ha-ha-ha!!! How did I miss that?! :lol:

Dear DT,
just as many of my little friends over here, I take a look a day to get news.
And I read really many speculations about the reasons for you not releasing 4.10 patch. Some crazy, some funny. But too many, anyway.
May I respectfully suggest that you post an update.
Some kind of a "read-me submitted (or not), debugging underway or archive compilation underway, or ...." so we can have a rest with these speculations.
Many thanks in advance.

Poor naive users :cool:

Gentlmem,You have talked too much about 4.10,But,TD didn't ignore you!

If DT did post something, it would be so buried in all this crap that we'd never be able to find it anyway.

The reason DT doesn't post is that they don't have anything to say that they have not said already, and they have the sense to stfu when they don't have anything to say. That is a fact...........

d165w3ll wrote
" I love the Me 410 and fly it almost exclusively. Thank you TD for including it - and the modellers for creating it."

I do not remember this aircraft in 4.09, isn't it a mod?

I do not see ungrateful whining brats, I see people that have been fans of the game that were told it would be released in a certain time period stating the obvious. Just because someone is doing it on their Free Time does not mean you cannot state your disappointment of their project management skills.

Well, the whiners are presumably doing it in their own free time too, so I don't see why I shouldn't state my disappontment at the forum being spammed by them.

I expect TD are disapponted that they made the mistake of giving a release date. No doubt they could have released something at that date if they absolutely had to. Would you have been happier if they had? With the consequent bugginess and lack of features this would have entailed?

It has already been pointed out countless times that a significant reason for the delay was through being given access by 1C:Maddox to new tools enabling them to perform patch compilation etc themselves. Such new tools obviously require time to learn how to use to the best advantage.

The patch will also include features not originally scheduled for release.

Watch out - some people will be disappointed if you talk about "features not scheduled for the original release" and start complaining about how their fantasy's aren't fulfilled.

There are way more features than I'd have expected. They've also included new aircraft at the last minute (Do-217, Fairies etc.)

This statement is just plain stupid.

No, it is the lack of communication that is the problem.

Which is where project management comes in to play also.

No disrespect is intended here, but it is not our fault something was promised at a certain point in time and not delivered. TD does not have to do this, but they chose to. They gave a time line and yes, most of the time there will be problems and delays. I think everyone understands that. What they do not understand is why very few updates about the status are being posted.
And to answer the questions i know will follow this, yes, the words Still testing would be fine.

MBA student? You really seem a bit obsessed with that term.

They did not promise anything and it can be taken for granted that any free-time development will have a higher rate of delays because of real-life issues. The current status is that they are testing and as long as no other information is given this stands, so I fail to see the benefit of repeating that time and again. Even if they did this wouldn't make a difference to the people suffering from "spoiled brat syndrome" as they would still demand further explanations and justifications, and come up with the usual conspiracy theories. Been there, done that.

DT is run by volunteers who love what they do, not by some centralized corporation with dedicated "project managers".

Nothing was ever promised, nor owed, by DT. Just be happy you're getting a patch at all, and don't feel so entitled to one.

But since you seem to know a lot about project management, would you like to volunteer to "help" them out? I'm sure you would do an excellent job.

Ah, yes, the 'insult the workers so they work harder' school of 'management'. They aren't your employees, or anyone else's.

AS for 'project management', can you please tell us how it is possible to timetable a voluntary spare-time project, using tools you've never seen, developing new software to integrate with a system that it's own design team acknowledges is 'incestuous code', and adding further features while developing?

Okay, in case you guys actually don't read what gets posted in these, or other, forums and just blindly post daft comments and complaints, here is a quick reminder of what was said a few months ago:

One of the DT team posted that a large part of the reason for the delay in the release of 4.10 was that Oleg gave DT access to certain in-house software tools and this meant a certain period of catch up time while they learned to use these tools before proceeding with completing the update. From what I could understand of what was posted this was a tricky thing to do and large parts of the 4.10 content had to be started from scratch...(?)

Have you ever tried to learn from scratch a complicated piece of software and then proceeded to create something the size and scope of what 4.10 is supposed to be with that software, and all in your spare time, i.e. when you are not working to pay the bills, feed the kids, walk the dog, fix the roof, etc, etc, etc? I very much doubt most of you would say yes - I certainly have never done anything like that, but I'm not surprised that it's taken a while for these guys to complete the work!

And I'm definately not surprised that they aren't overly talkative with you guys. If I was on the team I wouldn't come near this place as I'd likely end up wanting to firebomb your homes after reading all the BS you guys write!

Quick note to self - Don't annoy TOOZ! ;)

TD have done a fantastic job in the past. I sure when they finish the new patch it'll add a whole new lease of life to IL2. Keep up the good work TD!

Cheers!

No, not likely. DT members are not that bloodthirsty. They rather come here to read all those BS comments for a good laugh. :grin:

So, no need to fight, just let people make fools of themselves - it is much more effective and costs less of your energy. :cool:

Well, that's probably a good reason why I am not on any kind of dev team for anything! ;)

I have to say that reading some posts here realy get me to remember why i stopped modding games.

Way better to just enjoy the work my self instead of having the "i want`ers" in the buttz...

DT. Take your time.....Time = quality

Tbear

Absolutely agree

I do absolutely agree also!

But please DT, sometimes a short update of progress would be nice.
Even if it would be: "we only did drink beer this week"

Every week we find a new bug. Solve it, another one pops up.

We are planing a closed Online event this weekend.

We also try to have a personal life. Some are more successful in that department than the others. Some even work on jobs unrelated to Il2 and get paid for it! Go figure.

None of us is willing to speculate when the patch will be ready for release. One guess was enough.

That's all.

BTW, all that speculation that Oleg is prohibiting something in 4.10 is funny. We love conspiracy theories. Keep up with it. :rolleyes:

MicroWave you are the man!!!

Thanks for your update to all of us!
Everybody happy now again for a while!?! :)

Actually what has happened is that Oleg was so jealous over DT's success that he hired a hit squad of ex KGB agents to whack them all. They are now holed up in a safe-house in Istanbul trying to squash bugs on their laptops. They can only get messages out rarely, that's why we don't hear from them much. ;)

Thanks for the info Micro :grin:

If you guys need it I think I might have a few cans of Mortien laying around for those pesky bugs :-P

No, have not been a student for many years now.
What you call obsession, is a very good way to organise anything that needs to be completed in a timely and cost effective manner.

About the same way you would do a budget to know what you have coming in and what you have going out, therefore knowing what you can and cannot afford.

I see your point to a certain degree, especially concerning the "spoiled brat syndrome" but not with the current status part. For all we know they had to ditch the code or just decided to drop the project, oh sorry, "patch".

Thanks MicroWave.

the update means a lot to many of us.

I read them all before posting anything

Actually yes, I have and still do whenever the need arises. But I do not do it in the middle or near the end of the project I am working on unless it is a have to situation.

I also work a full time job and do outside projects for family, friends and the like all the time. This is my free time and I manage it very well.

Wasn't asking for a long heart to heart conversation, was just looking for an update of something along the lines, "hey everyone, we still working on it".
MicroWave has done that and it is greatly appreciated.

Thank you Microwave!
Now we can return to our conspiracy stories to keep you laughing during your bug hunt!;)

Microwave ? Didn't know anyone with this name at DT ... could be that the mastermind of the conspiracy pops out to ridiculize the conspiracy theories? :D

Kidding of course ... keep up the good work .. and your private lives above all my friends ... ;)

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Good to know there are only minor bugs,nothing so serious.(I suppose)

It was Agent 47,actually.

Hello TD, can you make a litle perview: what is new in th 4.10 since last sireous update?

less bugs?

;)

Wow,that is what we are waiting for.

Good job TD

Something tells me that we won't see the patch released until mid January...

Nice IAR and P11!!! )))

Thanks!

I wonder if the Fw-200 and he-111-12 will be flyable, seems odd to hang a AI missile under them and not be able to use them. I also noticed a possible spitfire MK9 small tail in the video. Looks yummy cant wait.

"I want it all and I want it now!", but we'll all have to wait. And I'll take that bet. But you should know that my source is rarely mistaken.

So what if it's January? Considering how long we are already waiting that's really soon.

2c

The He-111 will be flyable I think, the Fw-200 not, haven`t seen any cockpit images so far ;)

Thanks ! Nice stuff!

I can t belive the he 111 will be flyable ..mdr

Ehh, if "mdr" is "lol" in French, I think you have not understood what is meant by "he 111". It's of course the NEW version He 111H-12, variant armed with the guided bombs. Other planes in the patch armed with those (the new Do 217 and Fw 200) will not be flyable. The H-12 will obviously be converted from the old model, requiring less work than making a new cockpit from scratch.

Dear daidalos team loock whit attenction this airplane.
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now loock this real photo
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this is a bug please daidalos adjust the tube of pitot' to just side tank you.
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That Xilon_x guy is just a troll he always posts stupid stuff like that. I wonder if he has even IL2 1946 or is just pinching other peoples screen shots?

Well, I would agree that the pitot tube is placed too high at MG model.

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Yes, the Venturi Tube is too high

It is not MG model. It was built by enthusiast 3rd party modeler. Also, the plane on the screenshot and on the drawing - are different version.

True...But we are getting a G.50 in 4.10m with the Italian-style spinner. Perhaps the pitot could also be moved when the Italian spinner is selected (this sounds like a relatively straight-forward change to make). In any case, I think Xilon has a point here, at least about RA G.50s.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

It's not Pitot. It's Venturi tube, used to power the mother-gyrocompass.

This is original skin of MARIO BONZANO Battle of brittain fiat g 50s
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Yes sorry guys my ignorance not pitot tube but venturi tube.
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Thanks for the update. Looks great.

I would like to see some better AI for ground and naval unit, it doesn't seem reallistic that a under attack ship keep the same course it would be wonderfull to see the ship trying to avoid the torp; right now i have to see the time that the torp planes get to the fleet and make them avoid the torp by changing their course at the FMB.

It was explained some time ago that ships are not AI controlled. They only can follow a pre-determined course. The only way they can react to enemy action is to fire, or not fire, their weapons.

They will not even maneuver to aviod collisions with their own unit members.

Hopefully modders either 3rd party or subcontracted will soon fix that.
I am sure once the full scope of the entire game hits modders will be in heaven ;)

Avoiding the torpedo would be a kinda difficult,since ships handling and speed...

But I never noticed ships could collide.

If you are building a complex mission in the FMB, with lots of ships moving about, crossing paths, starting at different times, etc... It can happen.

I did a bit of the beta testing for "White Sun, Blue Sky" and the very first problem I found was a carrier hitting a freighter at the mouth of Pearl Harbor. Both ships sank.

It happens.

Having a trigger in FMB which causes carriers to launch fighter cover when threatened would make naval missions a lot more interesting.

Lighting on ships that moves with the ship would be wonderful indeed.

Good ideas, though I doubt that ships in a combat zone would be showing any lights.

It's something I pray for when driving my sub in SH4...

:grin:

1. March 41 is after the Battle of Britain.

2. This is a TD thread about IL2. The Battle of Britain is SOW. So wrong thread.


If you really want info on the Italian involvement this is a good start:

http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm

Lots of info on squadrons and personnel including historical formations.

This bit was interesting :D

perhaps TD could model bayonets and rifles on the Italian bomber crews ;)

WTE_Galway i loock thaht link 2 years ago' tank you for your appointement.

i present the little bug for fiat g50 desine and i present the original desine and model of fiat g50 whit real photo oK? fiat g50 stay in spain stay also in battle of brittain stay in africa and Balcans.this is not wrong tread i subscribe to DAIDALOS team ok? not exist in the 1c forums the tread "bugs and wrong desine of il-2 sturmovik 1946" tank you.

I just say, AWSOME STUFF, you rock guys, the last video update just blew my head off, wounds affecting the flight,you are wicked wizards, is amazing how much you are able to squeeze out of the il2 engine and how skillful programmers and other guys you have.I am so looking forward to this update, thank you!!!

Not to be sarcastic but how do you think the naval ships kept from colliding at sea? Even the most modern Aircaft carrires have low level lighting for the air crews.
Hear is just a quick find

http://www.gwpda.org/naval/lights.htm

Anchors away my Boys Anchors away, until we met again we sail at break of day........

Now that was sarcastic...

IDK if WWII ships already had complex light systems like modern ones.

the ww2 the ship use light and airplane use bengala for light in the night BENGALA you remember the tube launcher to spitfire? yes launch bengala for light in the sky also swordwish.
loock this english carrier approach to TARANTO in the night and sfordwish use bengala for night attak the italian ship use lights.
this is original video 6 series of movies.
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrghh! :shock:

I was not being sarcastic. During testing of the campaign made by "Chuck Older" a carrier collided with a freighter at the mouth of Pearl Harbor on the Hawaii map. It was just a course placement error that was done when building the map in the FMB. It's very easy to have these problems if you have ships running very close to each other, as it's quite hard to see their actual course trace in the FMB unless you zoom way in and follow each one. That takes a lot of time on a map with lots of things happening at once. And it's why testing of user made campaigns is essential.

:) It all makes sense now

You didn´t get the joke.
When you say it happens,it can in IL2,but not in real life (I strongly believe!)

Why are you guys jumping all over his throat? It's a language barrier thing at best and while some of his posts are weird, he also comments in a more straighforward fashion and posts interesting diagrams.

We're on the forum of a Russian developer as members of an international community, but some people seem to expect everyone to have a near perfect command of the English language. The best thing is when some lace their posts with alternating instances of "your" in the place of "you're", or "slang-speak" along the lines of "i should of" instead of "i should have", which makes a non-native speaker like me wonder if they do it on purpose, making mistakes due to being in a hurry or they just weren't that good in spelling to begin with :-P

No offence, but if his posts annoyed me that much or i didn't have anything to respond to him, i'd simply bypass them. Maybe Oleg has to enforce a Russian speaking week from time to time and have us all post here through google translate for his team to point and laugh at, so that we can finally understand that lacking the ability to communicate in a certain language doesn't automatically detract from our right to say our piece or determine the actual validity of our opinion. Not funny when it happens to us i guess :rolleyes:

By the way i can understand what he means just fine. He's talking about tube launched signal or illumination flares, the use of which was both historical and well documented. I don't know if the tube in the Spitfire cut-away diagram is for this purpose, but you can see a similar device on the screenshots of the SoW Wellington posted a few updates back. How do i manage to do it? I read his posts, then look at those pretty pictures he posts to fill in the blanks, the same ones that seem to annoy people so much :grin:

No, no, no Blackdog, it's much more than a language barrier. (You say a language barrier at best, but what is it at worst?)

It's not that he doesn't understand English - we still understand him very well - it's just that he posts nothing but meaningless blabber. Have you read his contributions? Ok, to be fair, he posts some nice links and pictures, but 90% of the time it's just...

Well, let's just say that the Spitfire does not have a "tube launcher", and is certainly not made of wood.

Does wounded crew code apply to all aircraft?

Looking good with AI wind effects. :-)

He means the SFC (Signal Flare Chute). In the Spitfire the flare dispenser chute/chutes were situated just above the oxygen tanks. They are not generally fitted to modern warbirds (possibly for legal reasons ?) although the dispenser doors remain.

Here is a thread:

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=73978

As far as I know none of the Il2_1946 aircraft can drop flares even though many in real life (including the Spitfire) could do so.

Its a reasonable suggestion as an addon for TD, though its unclear how many people would ever actually use it.

Night missions to mark a target?

Optimism :o The main usage would be to signal request for help or to signal "I want to land, don't shoot at me". :)

In my reference the signal flares are a six-pack in the very rear of the fuselage, and just before the empennage, firing upwards. The container behind the pilot was for a rubber dinghy.

This is a forum guys, everybody's free to contribute in discussions. The problem here is, there's some arrogance. Everybody's here for the same goal, so please help with technical assistance.

Thank you for calling me out Blackdog, but I insist that my problem is not a language barrier, I understand Xilon perfectly well. My problem is that the vast majority of his posts (at least the ones I've seen) are an insult to Oleg and his team, and often to the whole community. I hate to see people I respect insulted, so it gets me riled up.

But since my own opinion is that the lad is unstable, I should be applying the grace that I have been called to all the more liberally, so this will be my last post on the subject of Xilon. In the future I'll take out my frustration on Tree.....(just kidding! :) ).

P.S: I still wish you guys would stop quoting him though :)

I didn't mean to point fingers specifically, it's just a general trend i've seen emerge from time to time and between different posters.

In fact, you being prevented from expressing your annoyance at his posts is just as bad as him being prevented from expressing his opinions.

What i'm trying to convey is that it's not only about what we say, but how we say it as well. If my command of the language allows me to dance around a bit and not step on someone's toes i will do it. That doesn't mean i can't express a disagreement though, i can just be a bit smooth about it and this also gives my ideas a better reception because the other guy won't get defensive.
However, if my command of the languge is insufficient to do that, i might come off as aggressive and insulting when i express a disagreement and people will jump on me ;)

I'm not trying to be back-seat moderator here, i'm just trying to pacify things a bit because a lot of times we get valuable debates devolving into point-scoring matches between people. It's a shame when it happens, as most of the community is knowledgable and they have lots of good information to exhange, so if i can do anything to encourage increasing the signal-to-noise ratio without ruffling people's feathers i try and do something to that effect. Hope this is clear enough and not grounds for a misunderstanding, as the furthest thing from my intentions is to start arguments and troll people. Cheers :grin: