It's called freedom of speech Andy , please do go and whine somewhere else . Perhaps the rise of flight forum people will agree with your every thought and you won't be forced to label them with lefty OWS insults .Please inform us all in advance when you make your triumphant return to these forums , we will wait with great anticipation .Ps You're not that actor who plays that skinny nerdy guy on "the Big Bang Theory " are you ?

Furfurst's opinion about history is distorted. As a man from allied side, I support you. :)

Luftwaffe tried to kill children and women BEFORE WWII in Spain civil war in 1937.

Britain has beaten several autarchy countries in history, I am proud of Britain's contribution to free world.

WTF... did i mention nazi's my post was about the blame of civilian terror bombing which was done much more by the allies....

It was a means to an end, its war everyone gets there hands dirty just some more so than others.

Hardly. Guernica was a propaganda stunt of the anti-fascist powers, inflating

Also mass bombing of civilians preceeded Guernica by decades. The Italians excercised it in their Ethiopian campaign, the British bombed arab villages to terrorize the population in Iraq, the French bombed Damascus in 1925, and there are the Zeppeling raids.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._en_flamme.jpg http://www.syrianhistory.com/image_w...4622.jpg&s=557
Damascus in flames as the result of the French air raid on October 18, 1925. / French officers inspecting the damage

"Quiet village"? With pastors and lambs and stuff like that? :D Get real.

Sure, it was a perfectly normal little town, in the frontline, with two Basque battalions in it.

The Germans and Italians simply bombed a strategic chokepoint, and attempted to block the roads leading in and out of the city, and thus trapping the Republican forces.

Regrettably about four hundred innocents died in the process (the exact number was never really established though, nobody kept record how many died in the bombing, how many in the fighting and how many 'suspicious ones' were executed as typical in this civil war).

Allied and Soviet press boosted this again tenfold, up to 6000 dead were claimed.

Military situation

Advances by Nationalist troops led by Generalísimo Francisco Franco had eaten into the territory controlled by the Republican Government. The Basque Government, an autonomous regional administrative body formed by Basque nationalists and leftists, sought to defend Biscay and parts of Guipuzcoa with its own light Basque Army. [b]At the time of the raid, Guernica represented a focal strategic point for the Republican forces./b] It stood between the Nationalists and capture of Bilbao. Bilbao was seen as key to bringing the war to a conclusion in the north of Spain. Guernica also was the path of retreat for the Republicans from the northeast of Biscay.
Prior to the Condor Legion raid, the town had not been directly involved in the fighting, although Republican forces were in the area; 23 battalions of Basque army troops were at the front east of Guernica. The town also housed two Basque army battalions, although it had no static air defences, and it was thought that no air cover could be expected due to recent losses of the Republican Air Force.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...tary_situation

Once again it's a SIM people , none of us alive today were personally involved. Would you German haters buy this sim if there was no enemy to fight ? Perhaps you guys should buy a sim where people sit in rocking chairs and sip lemonade .Flying a German plane in this SIM does not make a person a nazi sympathizer any more than flying a Russian plane in the next sim will make you a communist . Or flying a British plane will make you a tea sipper . Get a grip . It's a SIM and a video game. I also fly an Fw190d9 RC plane but I don't profess to any nazi sympathies .I think the interest people have in flying the LW planes is in some ways similar to the interest they have In watching mafia movies and other crime stories .Didn't Britain at one time have a massive "British Empire " ? How do you suppose that happened ? Did they impose it by being nice to the countries they conquered ?One more thing , some of you better not fly the Italian planes either , they were German allies .

Posting pro-Nazi material and links to holocaust-denial websites does, you clueless troll.

And P.S. I've flown Luftwaffe planes in sims often enough. I can tell simulation from reality. I am also aware that not everyone may feel comfortable associating themselves, even indirectly, with the political regime sponsoring such planes. This is of course an individual ethical choice - one that needs to be considered in the context of a simulation that seems to encourage lunatic-fringe far-right participants to engage in soapboxing to push their vile agenda. In such a context, to say that it is 'just a simulation' and ignore what is going on is quite possibly morally questionable. I suggest that those with any morals ask themselves the question, and make their own decisions.

Urgent ccc request to all flying admins commanders - stop

close that thread by all manners - stop

public reward and gratification granted - stop

tc & all willing associates

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And I thought you left these forums for good ? Wow you're back already .You wouldn't like the rise of flight forums anyway ,nobody to trade insults with .I think you DO in fact have trouble seperating this Sim from reality .ps Nowhere did I make excuses for or sympathize with nazi tactics or political agenda . I merely like to fly the German planes on this sim .To me this is a video game .To you , it's life or death it seems . I'm so hurt by you calling me a troll .Almost as much as your other over used and tired word - bigot.If you would like to hurl further cliched insults my way I'll brace myself for it ...

Kurfurst, it is a classic sign of someone losing the original argument when they suddenly broaden the context like that. We were talking about causes of WW2 and the respective approaches of Germany / the Allies to bombing strategy.

Now suddenly it's about Britain's colonial past? I am not going to make any attempt at justification for the actions of the colonial regime of that era. I personally despise those attitudes, actions and the weasly get-outs mouthed by some modern-day apologists for them.

But, for Christ's sake take the plank out of your own eye before you start complaining about the speck in other people's!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEjgPh4SEmU

I'm a Geordie. Love a good auld Scrap. Bring it! Sorts the Men out from the Boys.

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