1. There is no such thing as an unbiased poll.

2. Read my post for comprehension next time.

Where did I say Oleg should not sell the game on Steam? I did not say that, in fact I have said it would be good for the sim.

What I am asking is why the draconian requirement to have a Steam account to use the software even if you did not buy it from Steam.

Can you understand the difference?

Lots of titles are marketed on Steam and through traditional outlets and they do not require a Steam account for those that do not buy the Steam version. Why should Cliffs of Dover be any different?

It's about choice and freedom in the market place.

Comprehend what exactly?

I do agree with the fact they didn't have to use steamworks but there are benefits to a lot of people, I still fail to see why people are getting fed up over having to install steam on there computer (Unless those reports are true and it was actually made by governments so they could spy on your internet activities... ;) believe me there are plenty of software hidden in windows and other "Trusted" software that would make your jaw hit the floor, if you have the internet you might as well walk around with a huge sign tied to your back listing all your personal details in size 200 font).

Also when i said show me an example of a unbiased poll i was sarcastically saying "1. There is no such thing as an unbiased poll." so "2. Read my post for comprehension next time."

Quoted for truth, well said.

Steam prevents reselling your game which is certainly something Ubi likes to see; they've made sure that is the case for all of their recent PC titles (mostly through their own DRM system). So it's quite possible that this is also a factor for them.

Some official clarification would be welcome, but if it's part of the contracts then I doubt we'll get an answer.

1. The poll is about as unbiased as you can get. Just because it didn't turn out the way you would have liked doesn't mean you can write it off.

2. Wait for Oleg to say why it's being required. For all we know Steam may have offered him money for doing this.

3. You don't seem to know what draconian really means.

To the other guy- PC games have crap for resale value and anyone who objects to digital download on those grounds is pretty dense.

I can understand people having questions and wanting to hear from Oleg but come on the horse is dead. It's been established the program is safe and will not prevent anyone from playing offline. You will not find out the exact reason why it's required until he finally gets around to answering it. Frankly they have done a crap job of keeping everyone up to date about it. Between posting info about Steam/release date and posting a few screenshots/boring video, one would think the choice is clear.

Hello,

First off , thanks for making IL2 . Had much fun with it in the past.
As for this new game:

From what I can gather you are not selling Il2 over the Steam Distribution Platform just yet.
So you are using Steamworks(which apparently needs a the same Steam account as for the Distribution anyways. I question the fair competition prospect of that. See EU/Microsoft browser case)
I have three questions regarding this.

1. As an IL2-Player, what are exactly the benefits for me from this?
Steamworks
Steamworks API

I have never had the desire for any of this in IL2 nor can I see needing any of this in the future.

2. As this appears to be largely optional as the DRM is handled by a seperate system , will I in the future be able to buy this game without Steamworks off a different digital distribution company like GamersGate ?
(My personal choice for buying digital if I would , I hope you can accept that as I can accept you loving Steam :) , not sure if Steamworks is on there)

3. If you include Steamworks , what role does UBI play exactly?
Unless they ship physical copies without this , I can't see why you can't drop them as middleman completly. Which makes me question why they would even do this.

Thanks for any information and I apologize if I got something about Steamworks wrong , even tho I tried to read into it somewhat before.

Steam is great.

Hundreds of games in my library.

Discs are for old people who dont have an internet connection.

This is exactly the kind of stuff that worries me with online distribution platforms. If i have some kind of technical issue, post on their forums or raise a fuss about it, could i be held hostage in a similar manner?

In the case of CoD, does anyone know if the Steam forum account is separate from the game account?


Exactly.

All we are saying is give us a choice and all the rest of you keep saying is "it's not that bad, give it a chance, it's just misconceptions and bad luck, etc etc", which totally sidesteps what the real issue is and as such doesn't constitute a valid answer.

I'll try to explain it once more: i don't think Steam is good or bad, because i don't have an opinion about it. I want to keep it that way and not have to deal with it, because it's been proven already by official sources that it's neither a necessity nor a developer choice.

Want to sell/buy the game on Steam? It's fine by me, just leave me out of it. But guess what...you can't do it yet either! :grin:

I just don't see why some of you are so keen on supporting a situation where nobody gets what they want, when it would be perfectly possible to have options that cater to almost everyone. And yes, almost 20% of lost sales is not a majority but it's not trivial either.
You're right when they say they will buy it...they will evenually, 3 months later when it's going for $20. How is that any good for Oleg's team? :rolleyes:

If anyone can answer this please go ahead. I don't want a lecture on what steam is or how it helps indy developers or how you like it, good for you if you do, i want an answer on this very simple question: isn't it better to sell both through steam and outside of it, so that everyone gets what they want and we don't have people boycotting the game or waiting until the price drops?

It's a very simple question so let's not beat around the bush any longer. If i can't get an equally simple and clear answer, i'll just chalk it up to the fact that there isn't one that both suits the "mandatory steam" viewpoint and is reasonable at the same time. Enough arguing over semantics, let's get to the meat of the matter ;)

I dislike a thief or cheat. I've had too many on-line gamming experiences ruined by them over the years to not want someone to devise a system that fights against it. If this helps to reduce the number of abusers, then I'm all for it.

One of the global advantages will obviously be VAC, while i think the simulation genre is quite spared from cheaters they sure exist even amongst the niche within the niche.

Personally tho I'd prefer Punkbuster, but i've nothing against VAC.. when combined with administration of dedicated servers it works just fine but without it PB wins quite
clearly due to the delayed account bans that Vac issue. Modern Warfare 2 was an obvious demonstration how crippled the system was without human intervention.