Not anywhere close... This is why modelers sometimes hide from the GP because it's misunderstood how much work is involved. The model has to be done several times over. There are several levels of detail, two damage model states for every unique segment, static parked aircraft state plus destroyed state, and that's just the exterior. Interior modeling is very intricate too and there are so many unique stations in a heavy bomber. Oh and I forgot that you also have to model the shadow levels of detail too.

It's a huge effort and it's moving along at a very fast pace (largely I suspect because Psy has been able to raise funds to pay modelers to do it to specifications).

It'll be spectacular when it arrives but it will be some time yet! Lots and lots of work to do a heavy bomber like this.

Why? 1000USD per each cockpit model and 1000USD per external model doesn't sound too much, taking in account, that making one cockpit takes from 1 to 3 months of a full-time work. I guess, 1000USD/month is less, then minimal wage for USA, or EU. So what is so difficult to understand?

Oh, I just got it... You, actually, ask, why it is so cheap? :grin:

Plea for a Pe-8 with diesels (ignore the engine is from a Tiger):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x8f0z-HfRI

What a beautiful music!!!

That's what I call heavenly sounds from hell :)

Edit: it seems the Tigers didn't use diesels but the T34 did.

Looking at the screens,it looked done.
Anyone know were I can find the SB and IL-4 development SS?
And what other planes are being worked "secretly"?

Azimech, your engine with it's clothes on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY_5c0mBXok

Thanks Jameson, but that's no diesel.

Guys, please forgive me but you are straying waay off topic! And, by the way, the Maybach that powered the Tiger was not a Diesel

Nor was the Maybach HL 120 TRM used in the pzkpfw IV and later pzkpfw III or the Maybach HL 108 TR engine used in early pkzpfw III. German tanks tended to be petrol engines.

The V12 petrol HL 210 P45 and HL 230 P45 were used in both Panthers and Tigers. A good article:

http://www.alanhamby.com/maybach.shtml

.. and yes as usual WAY off topic.

Not off topic, The subject on the last page was the Pe-8, so I wrote about my wish for the diesel version.

Not sure if these are diesels, probably not as they were quickly replaced. They had longer range but poorer performance apparently. 96 made including 2 prototypes later ones were equipped with radials. Russian comms on this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjP70...e=more_related

Il-2 is like WinXP. It won't die by SoWs presence. SoW will replace Il-2 step by step depending on the theatres and planes it offers. If SoW doesn't have it, Il-2 most probably does. In 10 years maybe the SoW series will have replaced Il-2 completely... but until then, everybody still will use Il-2 to fly in theatres that SoW does not have at the given time.

There was a very good cockpit + gunner stations made by 174ShAP_Kami (Sven Groetsch, he's listed in the credits for aircraft models BTW) back in the FB/AEP times, but apparently Maddox Games did not approve it as it did not meet their technical standards. I don't know if Kami still has the models. They could be used to get it right and finally add the plane flyable. I don't even want to mention that 174ShAP doesn't exist for a very long time now... don't know the name he now uses :D
He also finished a model of the B-29 interior... that one looked great and I remember it everytime I see the crappy mod cockpit out there (sorry for the words, but if compared to Kami's models, it is). Sadly with the same result, not included in AEP :(. Visually these interiors are top notch and I'd really appreciate to see them in Il-2 some time :).

I wasn't making an ironic comment at all!! I love bombers, I love flying them, I love watching them fly, I love dropping bombs from way up high and trying to hit my target as accurately as I can (I'm not often successfull unfortunately!), and I fly mainly Russian aircraft! So, a flyable Pe-8, a flyable IL-4, and a flyable SB-2 would be really really sweet!!

As to the Pe-8, I remember over the years discussions about trying to get aircraft into the sim and Oleg reporting that sources for cockpits and the like were either non-existent or not of a high enough quality to be able to accurately create the 3d cockpits to make them flyable. I remember specifically Oleg saying that there were no surviving pictures of the Pe-8 cockpit which is why it was never done. It's impressive to see that Psy06 spent three years getting the missing tech data to complete this aircraft!

Anyway, I am happy to see that not everyone is obsessed with single seat fighters!

As I said one day,any cheap fly sim have FW-190,Bf-109,P-51 and Spitfire,but only IL-2 haves G.50,Re.2000,Do-335,Ki-100...

6 months of delay... Sending an RFP to get this work finally done ! :evil:

+1

Nearly a month of time now! You guys shure have a talent to torture the once who are waiting.

Just a pitty that I´m no masochist, otherwise I would find it funny to step in here and see nothing than spam (including my own posts)

Obviously, Oleg must be a busy guy:rolleyes:

20 days are not a month, are they? ;)

It is if your french.:grin:

Yes he Is! He's developing SoW BoB. It is Team Daidalos that is producing 4.10

Happy 1 month! :grin:

You forgot the year :)

Seriously though are they still adding the Zuti content ?

Huh? 4th of November? Really? That would be good, but that's less than two weeks so I don't believe you!!:grin:

No. Removing. Thats even harder. :grin::grin::grin:






Just kidding.

:grin:

Pal,

I almost had a heart attack :lol:

Too bad you posted that schedule for the releases of the patches TD... Now it's getting really frustrating ! You sure you don't want the community to help debugging that thing and get then a quick 4.11 debugged ?

Usually it's more difficult (and thus, time-consuming) to fix bugs than to find them.

But only for CCCP planes, German planes are free ;)

actualy il-2 sturmovik 1946 patch 4.09m

SINGLE MISSION:
FINLAND
GERMANY
HUNGARY
IJA
IJN
RAF
RN
ROMANIA
SLOVAKIA
USAAF
USN
USSR

Where are the rest of nation ww2? POLAND? FRANCE? ITALY? NORVAY?GREECE?JUGOSLAVIA? ecc. ec.?

PILOT CAREER:
FINLAND
FRANCE
GERMANY
HUNGARY
IJA
IJN
NL
POLAND
RAAF
RAF
RN
RNZAF
ROMANIA
SLOVAKIA
USAAF
USMC
USN
USSR

also to This place missing ITALY:confused::-x:-x grrrrrrrrrrrrr WHY? missing greece missing all nation.
BUT ITALY IN IL-2 GAME GO WW2? OR ITALY IS IGNORED NATION?ok
and ITALY VOICE PATCH?
and italy photo of pilot? reggiment?

IT-NAME SURNAME PILOT
please DAIDALOS TEAM COMPLETE THIS GAME.

PILOTS
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4...aarprofile.jpg

De_00 GERMAN
Du_00 ???????
fi_00 FINLAND
fr_00 FRANCE
Hu_00 HUNGARY
Ru1_00 RUSSIAN
Sk_00 SLOVAKIA

and the rest of pilots all nation? italian pilot?
american?
japanese?
English? ECC.EC.

DUtch

Cut the crap.
Have you downloaded 4.09? Here is the link:
http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...ml#Post2871942
Check the readme:
New Planes
Avia B-534-IV (flyable)
CW-21 (AI only)
Fokker D.XXI - 5 versions (Only SARJA 3 Early and Late flyable)
Fiat G.55 Series I (early and late - AI only)
I-15bis (AI only)
I-16 Type 5 + Ski version (flyable)
I-16 Type 6 + Ski version (flyable)
Letov S-328 (AI only)
Re.2000 (AI only)
SM.79 (flyable)

Cockpits
MC.200 series 7 and series 7 FB flyable (new cockpit)
MC.200 series 3 (improved original cockpit)

You forgot Canada... or is Canada the REAL ignored nation... eh?

:)

Also Nationalist Spain fighted in the ww2
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escuadrilla_Azul

Dear Team Daidalos, normally I won't make request since I know it rarely changes anything, but today, I want to make a, eh, suggestion.

IIRC, the user guide for 4.10 is very big with many new information involving navigation, blind landing assistance, G-limit, new features of German bombers and many things else. It will take times to read all of this, but it would be very interesting. All we need now is the approval of Oleg, which should not be an issue at all.
So, my suggestion is: can you realease the user guide, just the user guide for us to "study" the new feature before we really do this in our computer?
I know, the delay of 4.10 patch must be due to some serious bugs that take time to fix. The user guide, on the other hand, cannot have bugs, since it's only plain text. If some bugs cannot be fixed, and as the result some certain features are removed: Fine, just add in your user guide: not all features shown here will appear in 4.10. We all understand that.
Last words: for us aviation freaks, learning the new feature of aircraft is as much entertaining as play the game itself.

OK I AM INGIURED ITALY IS THE PRIMARY AXIS NAZION IGNORED IF YOU IGNORE ITALY YOU ALSO IGNORE NAZI-FASCIM HISTORY REMEMBER
THE 3 FIRST IMPORTANT NATION NAZI-FASCIST IS GERMANY-ITALY-JAPAN.
IL-2 sturmovik 1946 IGNORED ITALY ok?
BUT this is only a game arcade for only ALLIED peoples.
immagine if ITALIAN project a new SIMULATOR OF WW2 WHIT THE 3 FIRST AXIS nation GERMANY ITALY JAPAN and after ignore AMERICA or IGNORE ENGLAND or FRANCE you after OFFENDED?

Please remove the caps lock bug and the spelling bugs from your postings.

Hey Xylon, why don´t you go and take an nap, the world looks much more frindly most of the time then ...

Do you have some kind of persecution complex?!
No one has real interest in mobbing Italy does one?!

I'm offended both as a player and as a member of the forum.
information concerning my country ITALY
information on aircraft
Photos and information about battles and air
information on Italian ships
I will write not 'never again' in this forum.
I AM REALLY OFFENDED.
sorry but this day i am very nervous.

pls, do us a favor..

In order of significance in the outcome of the war - GERMANY-JAPAN-ITALY - by any reasonable measure.

Given the relatively small contribution Italy made on the Eastern Front, and their non-participation in the Pacific war, a simulation that was first based on the Eastern Front, and was then expanded to cover the Pacific is unlikely to include a great deal of coverage of Italy's part in the air war. A far larger omission from the sim is the entire Western Front - with the exception of a few minor maps. The Mediterranean/North African front is also largely omitted. In both cases this seems to be at least in part due to 1C:Maddox not wanting IL-2 to compete too directly with SoW:BoB and later updates. The list of aircraft for SoW:BoB indicates that the Italian contribution is if anything overrepresented. I'd be grateful for that.

And just out of curiosity, how many Italians really want to be reminded of their Fascist past?

Xilon's posts are so much easier to read when he's on the Ignore list. :P

Just Kidding
 

Hmmm..

could it be that Oleg was confused as to which side Italy was on?

Ok Ok I withdraw that remark !

Thanks God, Xilon_X does not represent Italy ... he's from the planet Xilon, sent in exile in our planet by the local authorities, for obvious reasons.

Chill....

I enjoy the Italian material that IS available already in IL-2. It is challenging and fun. There is an Italian voice pack, BTW. Send me a PM if you want the link. @DT: maybe this could be included in a future patch?? We have one sexy bomber (SM.79) and 5 different fighters (CR.42, G.50, C.200, C.202, C.205), some with multiple subvariants in game. I'm sure squadrons for the RA would have been added to DGen if that product was still supported (hence my desire for DCG to replace DGEn in a later DT patch). No new planes or squadrons have been added to the dynamic campaigns since the C.200 became flyable like 3 years ago.

Fast forward to the future...

We will be getting the Re.2000 flyable, AI G.55 (2 subvariants) and an AI Re.2002 & CANT Z.1007 in 4.10 alone. This constitutes a significant portion of the new equipment coming in that patch. Daidalos Team has a number of Italian members and I'm sure that 4.10 will not contain the last Italian additions to stock IL-2.

In conclusion, Italians will not be underrepresented in IL-2 when you take future DT content into account (thanks guys!). Any ommissions are largely the result of circumstance over IL-2's long development. I'd say that currently, Italy has similar representation to the U.K. in IL-2.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

I think it's beyond rational arguments with this guy unfortunately. There's so much new content coming and a significant portion is Italian based... but he's still flying off the wall. It's weird and a bit disturbing.

Amen, and Amen. Xilon was my very first Ignore list inductee, for that he holds a very special place in my heart..........PFFFFFFT! :P

I don't know. In amongst all that weird and whacky "Secret Nazi Wunder Weapon" stuff and explosion clips Xilon is obsessed with he occasionally links some interesting and useful material.

I'll try and get this thread back on topic (Btw. Xilon Il2 was an Eastern Front sim merged with Pacific Fighters a Pacific War sim, soo.. we should be grateful for the Italian content that TD is giving us, or any content that is new because it's FREE). There are many other sim's out there that don't even have the content of one 4.10 patch, and they cost money, so reality check.
Anyhoo I was playing around with some of the new 4.09 planes (that I don't spend a lot of time in), and noticed some great details like blue exhaust tips on the new I-16's, new gunsight damage, and other cool stuff on the Fokkers and Avia. I learned that i can open the canopy on the new I-16 type and lean out the side for landing, this is so helpful and a neat detail, so if this is any indication of the upcoming quality of 4.10 I'm very excited, thanks TD.

Two nations that are usually (if not always) omitted in WWII games are Italy and France.
IL2 now had a great progress with the Italian Air Force,still,I miss ground and sea units.
France still haves only two planes.Wish they could add more,since some of the former Armée de l´Air planes served with both french air forces,with Romania and Bulgaria (and some where captured by Germans,dunno if used at all).An example of this is the D.250.

You mean D.520 :)

You're absolutely right that France and Italy tend to be amongst the major nations omitted from flight sims of the past. Although strictly speaking it wasn't important to involve either in sims of the past since nearly all focused on either the Pacific or Western Europe in 1943 and later. Il-2 was the first Eastern Front sim and the first time that nations like Slovakia, Romania, Italy and Hungary showed up in a sim (nevermind the Russians) at all.

I suspect that all of this will be rectified in the nearish future. Storm of War Battle of Britain already has the full collection of Italian aircraft that participated in that battle (a nearly forgotten contribution). With North Africa being one of the next fronts that will likely be covered by the Storm of War series... both France (Vichy France) and Italy receive a complete treatment. That would include the D.520 as Vichy France operated these against the Torch landings initially.

I have an offer (or the request – as want):
If it is impossible to give at least rough date of an exit 4.10, whether that it is impossible to specify us, at least the exact period when it doesn't leave? For example: the next week (to 11/5/2010) 4.10 precisely don't wait.

Ask what for it it is necessary? What would people not check infinitely «instead of whether have laid out a patch?...» - constant expectation not too pleasant condition. And from work distracts:D If in a week term yet doesn't approach – it is possible to prolong it for a week and so on (I hope it it is not required …). Будте are assured – will receive a patch before promised "absenteeism" more pleasantly, than constantly to wait ;)

At the same time it doesn't impose any obligations on DT as isn't the promise to let out 4.10 to this date.

I think many who on 10 times in the course of the day checks this branch me will support.

In Russian:

У меня есть предложение (или просьба – как хотите):
Если нельзя дать хотя бы ориентировочную дату выхода 4.10, то нельзя ли указать нам, хотя бы точный период, когда он не выйдет? К примеру: в ближайшую неделю (до 5.11.2010) 4.10 точно не ждите.

Спросите зачем это надо? Что бы люди не проверяли бесконечно «а не выложили ли патч?...» - постоянное ожидание не слишком приятное состояние. Да и от работы отвлекает :D Если же через неделю срок еще не подойдет – можно продлить его еще на неделю и так далее (надеюсь этого не потребуется…). Будте уверены – получить патч раньше обещанного «невыхода» будет приятнее, чем постоянно ждать ;)

В то же время это не накладывает никаких обязательств на DT так как не является обещанием выпустить 4.10 к этой дате.

Думаю многие, кто по 10 раз на дню проверяет эту ветку меня поддержат.

Yes! I like that way! Then ill can "rest in pease" during this period..

n2o
+ 1 :)
In this case it does not flood. This means that this option will suit many people

In Russian:
В данном случае это не флуд. Это означает, что такой вариант устроит многих людей

+1 n2o

how about the 'high altitude sky color' ? what exactly has been improved with that,, and at what alt does it change to what.. ? (it is not like there is a barrier from one color to the next at any alt under space barrier..)..

anyone know what this change will look like? it should be much brighter as you go higher (below space) not darker as in the current sim..

Development Update - 2010-01-28: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...70&postcount=4

italian animation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivJQM...ure=grec_index
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBYQXfPZun0&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuO7X...eature=related

+1

I guess TD already knows in what level the beta testing is...

Haha.
I made one of these too.But in portuguese.

Too bad the video won´t last long in the thread.

Let's put The Duke in a plane, and chew bubblegum because he's outta ammo XD

And okay, before it gets deleted, if ye wanna know where that famous quote from Duke Nuke 'em came from: They Live by John Carpenter in 1988:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp_K8prLfso

Excellent movie!

ENGLISH attack ITALIAN ship POLA movie and italian animation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_jqi...eature=related

This is great - fantasy - stuff. For a reality check, can you do another with Conte di Cavour, Littorio and Caio Duilio vs stringbags? ;-)

3D animation of Tower Corazzata ROMA. loock this video
http://www.cestrum.eu/italiano/files...0tecniche.html
this is another video
italian famous U-BOAT SCIRE' flottiglia X-MAX
http://www.cestrum.eu/images/scire%20workshop/40.jpg
http://www.cestrum.eu/images/scire%2...07%20forma.jpghttp://www.cestrum.eu/images/scire%2...p/torretta.jpg

Or maybe an underwater one, Maiali vs. Queen Elizabeth and Valiant ... ;) sorry I couldn't resist ... LOL!

this FAIREY SWORDFISH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p79OT...eature=related

OPERATION GAUDO R.O.43 take off whit catapult sistem.
http://www.cestrum.eu/italiano/files...GAUDO%2003.htm
SWORDFISH attak Italian SHIP
http://www.cestrum.eu/italiano/files...GAUDO%2002.htm
ITALIAN MOVIE AND 3D ANIMATION.

It would be really nice if you stopped spamming this topic. You're also off topic, and you're using more capitals than there are allowed according to the forum rules.

What if TD wanted to post a small update, such as, "we're still testing, there aren't many issues left, but still some, which will likely still take a couple of weeks to fix"? It would be totally lost in all your trash.

Yeah. Xilon, you know the rules - post this stuff elsewhere, preferably in the topic you've already started on much the same subject. You do sometimes find interesting videos and photos, but they don't belong here.

JtD, are you perhaps suggesting that TD might want to post that particular update?

They shoulda,they said they were at second betatesting round 2 months ago and no news since then...

Ok Andywest we return to just argoument......develepement updates by daidalus and request if my request is update the list of nations in the first panel and update the list of pilots tank you.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...postcount=1733

No problem with that at all though - more pertinently to this simulation - how about Repulse and Prince of Wales vs Japanese air power?

Well while we don't have a model of Repulse, we do have the correct IJN aircraft for that scenario.

What we don't have are enough Imperial Japanese Army attack aircraft. In fact we have not one Japanese Army single engine attack aircraft of any kind.

Much needed.

i think if WW2 START in europe and the priority is ITALY and FRANCE airplane NORWAY ecc. after and after WW2 change to pacific area and you complete the japanese airplane list and american airplane list.

Ummm...

We are not talking about Storm Of War here.

All theaters of operation shold have equal attention in IL2/46.

Frankly the Pacific side has been totally neglected almost from the release of Pacific Fighters. PF was incomplete and poorly realized.

It deserves attention.

yes i am aggree missing the best BATTLE SHIP BIG in the WORLD the YAMATO missing many airplane american and japanese missing also the ATOMIC BOMB for B29 i think if IL-2 sturmovik have the ATOMIC BOMB the game END also whit reality WW2.
YES for me ATOMIC BOMB is a simbolic EVENT and sign the END OF WW2.
is good for the ULTIMATE patch of il-2.

Secret IJN super weapon ...


http://www.shipschematics.net/yamato/images/title.jpg

Houston,we have a problem.
We have PoW but no G3M to sink it.Same,we have Swordfish but no Bismarck or Prinz Eugen.

As you see,I´m a big supporter of aeronaval missions,since ships are harder and bigger targets to hit than ground vehicles and aren´t static as buildings.

People, who think, the game must have added this or that are wholeheartedly welcome to model the missing subjects by themselves, or pay the making of them from their own pocket.

Can't model or pay? Go with your "you must add [put your favorite subject here]"... well, somewhere else.

i pay for this not problem DAIDALOS team i pay ok? i pay.
for a great work i pay but i want a good patch tank you.
i pay not problem.

Huh?

Standard minimal price is 1000 Euro per ship, plane, or one cockpit model. Now you only have to find a modeler. Good luck.

unfortunatly the dream that xilon_x would not post anymore on this forum ( as it was announced by himself) didnt come true :(
ok, we cant get this............... a suggestion to xilon, open a new topic where you can spam around whatever you want but dont disturb other topics anymore.

where is this ignore function btw ?

User CP> Settings & Options> Edit Ignore list. It's a wonderful tool. Like Tai Chi for the internet. "OK, cleansing mouse click...... There, Xilon all gone"

Get a clue. Daidalos team are doing these updates for free on their own time. Sure there are numerous missing planes in this sim, each with it's own argument for inclusion. But what sim does have all the "missing" planes"? I know of none.
Just be thankful for what we are getting at no cost to us.

<S> to Team Daidalos

perfect :)
thx a lot !

Five weeks are not two months. I know, maybe in France. :)

As long as there are no other news, you'll have to accept that the last update is still the current status. Yes, sucks. But be assured that TD is still testing, and that there is progress. One problem with fixing bugs is that you can't really propose a schedule. While finding bugs can be expected, the nature of them and the effort for fixing them can not be predicted. Another problem is that updating the public about the progress of bug fixing is not really entertaining. "Today we eliminated 3, but found 4. However, one of the three was a really tricky one, while none of the four is. Our bug list thus has 196 points, 154 of which have been dealt with and 23 of which need to be dealt with before release of the next patch." Might be good to hear things like this once in a while, but if that's all there is, who would want to know something like this after 3 months?

I usually don't log in when reading this board. :(

I know,but they could report if they are taking more time because they found a major bug or if they are working on minor bugs.
And I don´t get the point of people complaining when we ask stuff.If we cant do it,for what TD is working then?
Better stay with 4.08.

I try to do my part.

or 4.09m you mean?

You can, all right. What I can't get, is why people complaining, if they don't get answers to their questions. No one is obliged to answer them, anyway. Don't you think?

For their own pleasure, obviously. Why else would anyone spend countless hours programming, modeling, painting, whatever else in their free time, instead of taking some leisure with girls and beer (well, or at least with TV and beer)? :cool:

The ingratitude shown here is quite amazing.

DT doesn't owe you anything. If it weren't for them, we'd all be playing 4.08. Please, at least show some respect, as you aren't paying them a dime.

Indeed,what they are doing it´s not only for them,but for the whole community.Nobody would be modding if nobody wanted and if they didn´t like to do so.
When people were complaining they looked to be angry about asking new things to TD rather then if they are being annoyed with the same requests.

will this patch ever see the light???
or it's not going to happend
6 month delay, isn't a short time...