I know, I have a grade 'B' O level in German. However the umlaut is an abbreviation for 'ue' and I don't have an umlaut on my keyboard as far as I know. :rolleyes: Back, too. :grin:

As a german I'd find this this third-hand rage amusing if it wasn't so sad. Haven't you guys something better to do? http://www.siliconknights.net/forums...s/facepalm.gif

Well, well well. At least we know where this drivel is coming from. A website that has such illuminating articles as 'Jewish Criminals and Their Activities' http://www.zundelsite.org/english/jewish_criminals/ being cited for 'evidence'. All denials to the contrary, it seems self-evident that this forum has been hijacked by far-right bigots. I shall of course be reporting this to 1C (and Steam, and Ubisoft, who will I assume not wish to be associated with such objectionable behaviour), and calling for a boycott of the forum from all who wish CloD well, and proposing to 1C that they find an alternate venue for communication with those customers and potential customers actually interested in the simulation, rather than in propagating Nazi-supporting filth and other delusional garbage - the 'climate change' thread comes to mind as another obvious example where such POV-pushing trolls were allowed to spurt ludicrous conspiracy theories attacking all and sundry on the forum with complete impunity. I fully expect to be blocked for this post, but don't care, since it is self evident that the moderators who have allowed (or encouraged?) this to happen have a great deal of responsibility for this mess, and without question need to go.

Goodbye to the forum. I'm off to play Rise of Flight, where it is possible to participate in a community that isn't full of closet neo-Nazis trying to rewrite history, rather than recreate it in simulation. If CloD improves, I may return to it, but I very much doubt that I'll ever want to fly online if it means meeting up with the obnoxious scum that seem to be attracted here. Fortunately, I'm sure they are very much a minority amongst those interested in CloD and its successors, and any half-decent system of moderation would have ensured that they remained in the closet, or in the dustbin of history that they so deserve.

it caught my attention how many avatars got removed by the no swastica rule

wwii is not over

I keep waiting for someone to cite "the protocols of the elders of Zion" as a source...lunatics.
Seriously, how has this thread been allowed to live?

only this game got it right:

a murder is a murder even if a duel or a war

thats why i dont virtually murder in no game

Good questions and a difficult one to answer, Avro. Early RAF BC operations had some excuses Technology was simply not up to the task to perform anything but area raids initially. Daylight bombing was out of the question with the LW day fighters there, no bombing/navigational aids, bombers too small for effective load, low cap. bombs, no other way present to actually wage war on Germany etc., all very well known.

But these excuses were no longer there when Oboe, H2X, Pathefinders etc. become operational. They were not perfect but they permitted hitting specific targets, certainly ones large enough like industrial complexes with a reasonable degree of success. This coincided with the appointment of Harris, who dismissed the opportunity and kept going for the cities. The attacks on oil targets for example were extremely successfull even during the night, which Harris only grudgingly agreed to, and only temporarily.

Harris kept using (and wasting IMO) this expensive and high tech force area attacks, even after the failure of this tactic was obvious to anyone (i.e. the Air Battle of Berlin, culminating the Nurnberg raid).

This is BTW pretty much what Max Hastings (and some others, most famously Albert Speer was dismissive of area/terror bombing) wrote on the subject, and I agree with him completely. In short, the (from a pragmatic military POV) the criminality Harris was that Bomber Command was kept misused even by the time there were better alternatives, given its increase in size and accuracy. The human perspective is far too obvious for any healthy soul IMHO.

BTW back to the OP, I agree its difficult to fly the invader above your own country. I would have difficulty doing that on the Balaton map, too.

Nazi is nazi.

IN HUMAN BEING HISTORY, THE FIRST MASS BOMBING OF CIVILLIANS IS GUERNICA.


Guernica is a painting by Pablo Picasso. It was created in response to the bombing of Guernica, Basque Country, by German and Italian warplanes at the behest of the Spanish Nationalist forces, on 26 April 1937, during the Spanish Civil War. The Spanish Republican government commissioned Picasso to create a large mural for the Spanish display at the Paris International Exposition at the 1937 World's Fair in Paris.

Guernica was a quiet village. The nearest military target of any consequence was a factory on the outskirts of the town, which manufactured various war products. The factory went through the attack unscathed. Thus, the motivation of the bombing was clearly one of intimidation. Furthermore, a majority of the town's men were away as they were fighting on behalf of the Republicans. Thus, the town at the time of the bombing was populated mostly by women and children.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_(painting)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...soGuernica.jpg

"Well done", German bombers, and their fans 70 years later.

You're seriously playing the 'poor old Germany' card?

The Brits did chose war. And as a Brit I'm quite proud that they took a stand against a man as pathetically egotistical as Hitler.

He was warned that if he invaded Poland that Britain and France would declare war. He didn't believe them, more fool him. They guy was an idiot and his people paid a heavy price because of, and NEVER forget this, him.

And the first air raids of WW2 on civilians were carried out by the LW in Poland.
Like I said, they set the tone.

As for Britain fighting in a dirty way, how about the deliberate starvation of people In eastern europe by nazi Germany? Is that clean? Or the industrialisation of executions? Or the many air raids that they carried out?

At the end of it all there is one man responsible, and he took the cowards way out, hiding in a bunker whilst he continued to let his people die.

As a Brit I'm not proud of Dresden or hamburg but Adolf didn't care so why should I?

To blame the british for starting the war smacks of nazi sympathy speak.
So are you? It would explain a lot.

Incredible bit of revisionism there. At the very best Hitler's aggression towards Poland could be filed under miscalculation - i.e. Germany attacked with full knowledge of Britain's commitment to come to Poland's aid. Thinking you can get away with your latest subjugation of another country without causing a third party to intervene hardly qualifies for the Nobel Peace prize in my book.

As for 'refusing German peace offers', thank God they did.

Presumably the invasion of Russia in 1941 is another example of peace-loving Germany's harmless intentions - or maybe you can manufacture an alternate history justification for that one too? (and i don't consider 'They were Commies, they had it coming' to be adequate justification)


One thing that always puzzles me amidst this high-minded moral refusal to stoop to British levels is what the German rationale was for the 'Vengeance' weapons (V1 and especially V2). Well-known for their pin-point accuracy and ability to target enemy industry with precision.

London was only spared devastating levels of destruction and civilian deaths because the Allies targeted the production facilities and launching sites and then over-ran them.

Don't even mention the possibility that they had got the A-bomb first to put atop the V2 or the next generation, but i presume some of you may have actually preferred that outcome to the historical one.

Nothing left to say here.

Too many Nazi apologists here for me as well.