why keep going over the same ground. there is about 10 examples in this thread of various confirmed types of cheating. you should put a little effort in yourself to confirm that checksum 2 issue if that is your personal stumbling block, even your own buddies in the dark dungeons confirmed it (and so have others in this same thread).

just read your own little forum and you'll get an idea, when seeing some of the options posted there just ask yourself which ones would be an advantage to use online against others who dont have them. but interesting you now say you dont know if it is possible to cheat, yet for the last 10 pages you have been arguing cheating doesnt exist and isnt possible. those 2 positions are quite different.


just read your own statement again, and spot the flaw.

you've already stated you dont play online, and you are now saying that because you personally havnt seen it online, it therefore does not exist ?

since you dont seem to get out much, just apply the Principle of Parsimony from those that spend the majority of their time online and want it to remain fair.


your failing to mention, or havnt realised, that those planes have improved rear visibility compared to the stock standard models, and that the removal of slightly clouded armored glass also improves visibility. also placing the wings of one plane on another will change its flight characteristics, for better or for worse depending how it is applied (ie it is not just wing textures, but wing shapes and surface area's affected)

but my main point of listing those examples is to clearly demonstrate that the franken monster production line has started.

now this, this is a good one. can't answer the post, stoop to insults. you really are a fool zap. which is funny when you consistently insult others intelligence. i'm sensing a napoleon complex here, you know what that is short stuff?
jason's post is one of the non-hysterical posts, like beowulfs, in this thread. and he hasn't decided to just call you some kind of paranoid schizo for hte hell of it. i'd call that a reasonable post. maybe not one that you agree with but well, that's life.
comparing a game to disease control... that really is stretching the limits of credibility.

was that really your point? are you sure? and you miss out the other bits where it is said that new slots cannot be created so they have to take the fms of other planes. hence g4 replacing g2, g10 erla replacing g10, typhoon replacing (and having same fm as) tempest... and now for your next round of insults... and still no post showing cheating happening. oh no. that would spoil the fun. prove it and you win. continue with this pointless flaming and you lose.

1) answered the post
2) responding to tag team of hack kiddies gratifying each other as if that adds weight to their arguments, even when what they said is completely nonsensical

you need to check the big word book again, its not a comparison, its an analogy

analogy
- noun (plural analogies) a comparison between one thing and another made for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
- the process of making such a comparison.
- a thing regarded as analogous to another; an analogue.

failed to understand the analogy perhaps ?

well as an analogy it still makes you look like an over reacting, short arsed, tool.

i get it now, having an 1-16 with the engine of a 190 and the guns of a hurricane doesnt really matter as long as it takes the places of the original rata ?

mm i think there might be a flaw there in your logic ?


dont be shy now, if you dish it out be prepared to be treated the same in return. when the lot of you starts to behave in a civilised manner, i think most others here will treat you the same in return.

what is it with your bunch, do you have a brand new clone typing at the keyboard each time you logon and everything needs to be explained to you again ?

- links demonstrating cheating with the use of the soundmod files have been posted
- specific examples of the type of cheats in use were given, mirrors, gyro's etc..
- demonstrated non authorized planes in full real restricted servers being used
- franken monster plane examples given
- others from your own hack crowd confirmed here and "there" that checksum 2 doesnt work, even if you keep doubting me.

you seem to expect from me that i am going to post links to some of the actual hack files, or spend half a day creating some horror planes myself just because some doubting Thomas on some internet forum cant use google.


err is that why you keep posting here ?

i'll have to disappoint you, its not why i am posting here, everybody has already lost , even if you dont seem to realize it.

now go tell your mum you'r being rude to nice people on the internet again !

Good to see you are able to hold an intelligent and reasonable discussion without resorting to schoolyard insults…but I guess that really sets the tone!
Well as indicated, not only does it not matter to me…it doesn’t matter to the vast majority of players…it only matters to a tiny proportion of people that play IL2 – just because its important to you doesn’t mean its important in the great scheme of things…It matters to a fraction of a minority (The Hyper lobby players only being a proportion of onliners…onliners only being a tiny minority amongst IL2 players) that doesn’t mean its not something that isn’t worth discussing…but framing the whole debate about the sound mod in terms of its impact on that minority and discounting the benefits it can realize for everyone else is an extremely blinkered view.

4.09 was only ever going to be a small add on, including the new maps – I think even the inclusion of the completed new flyables (Avia, Fokker & CW Interceptor) had been discounted because of time pressures…the reason that the last chance to fix things has not occurred is because of the pressure to develop BOB-SOW, NOT because of the sound mod.

Any evidence for this…or is it just a feeling you have? Giving feedback…making requests…influencing further development…What does that actually mean? Does it mean anything important beyond whining for more powerful .50 calibers’ and asking for an unrealistic delay on trim controls, to prevent online abuse? As I see it, the biggest contributors from a third party point of view are the skinners and campaign writers that develop for the offline market and the creators of third party utilities like DCG, Mission Mate and Mat Manager – again developed for Offline play…
If you genuinely believe that Onliners make up 50% of IL2 users…there are an awful lot of them hiding away…IL2 sold nearly 500,000 units in the West – are there really 250,000 people flying on Hyperlobby on a regular basis?
I’m not sure I understand?

Aside from the obvious distaste I have when people compare something as trivial as a game with something as serious as Malaria and Aids – I really don’t understand your comparison…
I can see you’re really getting into the swing of things now…plagues…meteor storms…we are talking about a game here you know! Talk about Hyperbole…I understand that its important to the proportion of the community that flies online, on Hyperlobby and ASE…but I am making the point that we can’t frame the entire debate in those terms…there is a bigger (much bigger) picture to consider…

On the contrary I have an entirely rational perspective…A few onliners are concerned about the Sound Mod, a few onliners aren’t concerned about the sound mod, the sound mod doesn’t affect any offline players…that’s perspective…trying to convince everyone that the game is in its terminal death throes is a lack of proper perspective…
If fairness and honesty was that important to the online community – the sound mod wouldn’t be an issue…as no-one would use it online and you would all be able to trust each other; as it is you are obviously quite happy flying with people who are keen to cheat you, as soon as the tools and the opportunity were made available to them…Small wonder I prefer to fly with friends and family rather than with some anonymous user names from around the globe.

Zapatista I understand you feel passionately about this subject, but it does not reflect well on your argument or point of view if you need to resort to childish insults and flaming at every opportunity…I am sure you have valid points to make…but lets try and keep things from getting personal, please.

Absolutly not. I know a lot of casual offline simmers that bought the sim, played a bit, then garbaged it. Number of buyers isn't representative of offliners.
In fact, neither you or me do know the number of actual active offliners.... so please don't pretend they represent 95% of the players... you just don't know.

You can have a better way to count. Currently almost 25% to 30% of the players each night play AW (Airforce War). All AW players are registered, go on AW site and count.... you'll get around 1/4 (or less) of the number of online players.... except casual players of course.

I did say that?.... I said exactly the contrary... please don't distord my words.
Just ask yourself a question: how many planes, cockpits, maps, skins, tools, missions, campaign, online wars were made by onliners from the begining of the sim up to now?
Whitout this work, The sim would have been far to be as important as it is today. It would probably be unsupported today, and played only by a few nostalgics.... maybe with a small second life with a small modder community like CFS3 for example... but not more.

In any case, the debate is biased. Offliners and "free modders" have all what they want... why would they deny to the onliners some real protection in 4.09 (which is all they can hope) ? Give me any good bloody reason?