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melasuda 03-14-2012 12:57 PM

Many pilots do not buy the game because it does not work well

Many pilots do not buy the game because they rely on 1c

Many pilots are looking for alternatives because they believe that no solution.

Each day fewer pilots play this sim

By the time it fixed, many pilots will not want to know anything about 1c and
its simulators.

The patience of many is exhausted.

Luckily mine did not, and I encourage them to buy the game

smink1701 03-14-2012 01:03 PM

I for one don't care to hear about any sequal news in the Friday Update. I am only interested in THE PATCH. If we don't get the patch on friday, or solid intel on when it will be released and what it will include, I could not care less.

furbs 03-14-2012 01:07 PM

Somebody should remind Luthier his future pay checks will depend people like me paying for BOM, and that will depend on CLOD being fixed.
At the moment im keeping my money.

6S.Manu 03-14-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by melasuda (Post 398845)
Many pilots do not buy the game because it does not work well

Many pilots do not buy the game because they rely on 1c

Many pilots are looking for alternatives because they believe that no solution.

Each day fewer pilots play this sim

By the time it fixed, many pilots will not want to know anything about 1c and
its simulators.

The patience of many is exhausted.

Luckily mine did not, and I encourage them to buy the game

To be correct many pilots have bought the game at full price and have played it only a pair of hours. According to Steam only 2 friends of mine (20 of them have bought it ) are still playing it. And both are active on this message board.

Anyway I ask myself how can you still encourage people to have faith in Clod's development? What did they in this year to not lose your trust? BlackSix's presence here has been the greatest thing in this period of time... nothing more.

BlackSix, I assure you that you're still welcomed here, from fanboys (of course...) and bad-ugly-immature users (all the ones not wearing pink glasses...) like me too.

About the patch I would gladly receive this answer: "there will not be any patch, BoM will merge with CloD... so wait and buy BoM."
Writing that the patch's release is near again and again and agin is not positive.

SG1_Lud 03-14-2012 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSix (Post 398790)
But, considering negative mood of users, we can stop to publish information updates on Fridays for a while.


Hey Blacksix.

Thank you for your efforts.

I guess Luthier told you to say that to us. Well, what can I say, I tried to be supportive all this year, but as a customer I don't need anyone's condescendence. so you can tell Luthier that I don't need any more updates from him, and please thank him very much on behalf of me for all his efforts.

Please note I am not upset about the patch, I only dislike being treated like a kid. If you treat and judge the whole by the behaviour of a few, I am sold out.

BTW, before I go back to my usual silence, tell him my last question: "this negative users" as we have been defined -as a whole- have been asked - as a whole - for help in a several threads; you may consider to give - to the whole - some feedback if you don't want to be unfair, and keep your loyal base of supporters.

Many thanks for listening to my thoughts. Sorry if it causes you some inconvenience, and kudos to you for all the respect you showed to us since you came.

SG1_Lud. 4 copies bought. 678 hours gameplay.

BlackSix 03-14-2012 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LUD (Post 398857)
Hey Blacksix.

Thank you for your efforts.

I guess Luthier told you to say that to us. Well, what can I say, I tried to be supportive all this year, but as a customer I don't need anyone's condescendence. so you can tell Luthier that I don't need any more updates from him, and please thank him very much on behalf of me for all his efforts.

These were my words, without consultation with the chief.

SG1_Lud 03-14-2012 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSix (Post 398860)
These were my words, without consultation with the chief.

Ok B6 thank you for your honesty. Please disregard my coments to Luthier, and please take yourself into account my complaint.

Thank you very much.

Hunden 03-14-2012 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSix (Post 398790)
The patch can be ready in any day.
On Fridays we publish information updates about the current situation and the next game. Friday updates and patch are not connected.

But, considering negative mood of users, we can stop to publish information updates on Fridays for a while.

What ever:confused: Patch can be ready in any day but will let you negative users squirm a little for a while. Thats awsome news, really......................

Heinz Laube 03-14-2012 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu (Post 398853)
To be correct many pilots have bought the game at full price and have played it only a pair of hours. According to Steam only 2 friends of mine (20 of them have bought it ) are still playing it. And both are active on this message board.

Anyway I ask myself how can you still encourage people to have faith in Clod's development? What did they in this year to not lose your trust? BlackSix's presence here has been the greatest thing in this period of time... nothing more.

BlackSix, I assure you that you're still welcomed here, from fanboys (of course...) and bad-ugly-immature users (all the ones not wearing pink glasses...) like me too.

About the patch I would gladly receive this answer: "there will not be any patch, BoM will merge with CloD... so wait and buy BoM."
Writing that the patch's release is near again and again and agin is not positive.

its like, u bought a Porsche for full price, but u get a Porsche with VW Engine 125HP and no Leather and so on, then u go to the Seller and want a Porsche what u paid for, and the Seller says to u: "oh hmm, wait for our next Model in 1 year, maybe it will be a complete Car, just wait and buy this"... instead to repair or fix ur current bought Full Price-Porsche...

i can play CloD, yes...but not with all the content, what 1C has promised... and what we have paid for....to pay for a sequel called "BoM" , so that we could play "Clod" with promised content is a bit hard for customers, i think...

i still waiting for the upcoming patch...and have much hope for Clod and maybe BoM, but a few words from Luthier himself, about the current state of "CloD" would be more helpful, than stopping to inform us, whats going on...
i think most "CloD" buyers are scared about to bought the game as betatesters for the Sequel we have to buy, too . so we bought a game for nothing, since lot of them cant play it...

ParaB 03-14-2012 01:58 PM

It's almost funny if it wasn't so sad.

DennydD 03-14-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GF_Mastiff (Post 398792)
That's the luftwaffe seaplane proving grounds.

Sure. And the north sea was Kaiser Wilhelms bath tube. :rolleyes:

csThor 03-14-2012 02:10 PM

Well, I consider myself neutral in this issue - mostly because I have other hobbies so I am quite happy that I can devote time to them. ;) I am not ooh-aahing about CloD simply because there is IMO little to ooh-aah about. On the other hand I am not playing the dying swan just because of a computer game nor do I find the need to tear my hairs out in a public message board.

That said BlackSix here has the job I would not want for all the money in the world. He has to take the abuse and bad mood of various communities for which he is neither responsible nore accountable. That his frustration level is rising dangerously quick is not a surprise to me. So, in that respect, please throttle back a bit - BlackSix' heart will thank you in a decade or two. ;)

On the other hand I have a few direct comments at the 1C employee - simply as a channel to get some things to your boss (Ilya).

1.) The silent treatment Ilya gave to all those who cooperated with MG during the production of what was then Storm of War has now been expanded to the communities as a whole. It may fit his character to work quietly in a chamber and hope not to be bothered but it also sends a very strong "F*ck you!" signal to those who spent considerable time and effort into producing stuff for the release and now to the communities which don't see the most pressing current issues addressed. Nowadays, with several other development teams doing very commendable updates and community relations, this is not simply poor style but counter-productive.

2.) Any sequel title may be number one item on Maddox Games' list, but for the average customer it's currently simply irrelevant as it's not even announced nor more than a mere speck just above the horizon. Ilya can't honestly expect that any "news" about the work on this sequel will divert the attention of the customers away from the fact that the current release is in dire need of a major patch. It can't be a surprise that any update thread will always come back to the question that is burning: What is happening WRT the patch for Clod? Answering that question, and only that, will ease the strain and no amount of 3D work on objects of some sequel will alleviate the scorn the various boards are pouring over MG at the moment.

3.) I don't know what happened during the years of development and quite honestly I don't care, I know Ilya is not responsible for the mess CloD was at release but his handling of customer relations alone has done additional heavy damage to the already tarnished image of Maddox Games ... That he must be aware of and if he's not it's about damn time someone tells him. You can't treat people (customers of your product at that) like nagging idiots and expect them to salivate like the dogs of Pavlov. Not if you want them to buy further products ...

And now I'm off to my modelling workplace. :grin:

von Brühl 03-14-2012 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csThor (Post 398868)
Well, I consider myself neutral in this issue - mostly because I have other hobbies so I am quite happy that I can devote time to them. ;) I am not ooh-aahing about CloD simply because there is IMO little to ooh-aah about. On the other hand I am not playing the dying swan just because of a computer game nor do I find the need to tear my hairs out in a public message board.

That said BlackSix here has the job I would not want for all the money in the world. He has to take the abuse and bad mood of various communities for which he is neither responsible nore accountable. That his frustration level is rising dangerously quick is not a surprise to me. So, in that respect, please throttle back a bit - BlackSix' heart will thank you in a decade or two. ;)

On the other hand I have a few direct comments at the 1C employee - simply as a channel to get some things to your boss (Ilya).

1.) The silent treatment Ilya gave to all those who cooperated with MG during the production of what was then Storm of War has now been expanded to the communities as a whole. It may fit his character to work quietly in a chamber and hope not to be bothered but it also sends a very strong "F*ck you!" signal to those who spent considerable time and effort into producing stuff for the release and now to the communities which don't see the most pressing current issues addressed. Nowadays, with several other development teams doing very commendable updates and community relations, this is not simply poor style but counter-productive.

2.) Any sequel title may be number one item on Maddox Games' list, but for the average customer it's currently simply irrelevant as it's not even announced nor more than a mere speck just above the horizon. Ilya can't honestly expect that any "news" about the work on this sequel will divert the attention of the customers away from the fact that the current release is in dire need of a major patch. It can't be a surprise that any update thread will always come back to the question that is burning: What is happening WRT the patch for Clod? Answering that question, and only that, will ease the strain and no amount of 3D work on objects of some sequel will alleviate the scorn the various boards are pouring over MG at the moment.

3.) I don't know what happened during the years of development and quite honestly I don't care, I know Ilya is not responsible for the mess CloD was at release but his handling of customer relations alone has done additional heavy damage to the already tarnished image of Maddox Games ... That he must be aware of and if he's not it's about damn time someone tells him. You can't treat people (customers of your product at that) like nagging idiots and expect them to salivate like the dogs of Pavlov. Not if you want them to buy further products ...

And now I'm off to my modelling workplace. :grin:


Great post, please someone show this to Luthier, print it and put it on his wall, screencap it and make it his desktop background!

furbs 03-14-2012 02:34 PM

As one of the "hair pulling types" you said everything i feel csThor +1

ParaB 03-14-2012 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csThor (Post 398868)
Well, I consider myself neutral in this issue - mostly because I have other hobbies so I am quite happy that I can devote time to them. ;) I am not ooh-aahing about CloD simply because there is IMO little to ooh-aah about. On the other hand I am not playing the dying swan just because of a computer game nor do I find the need to tear my hairs out in a public message board.

That said BlackSix here has the job I would not want for all the money in the world. He has to take the abuse and bad mood of various communities for which he is neither responsible nore accountable. That his frustration level is rising dangerously quick is not a surprise to me. So, in that respect, please throttle back a bit - BlackSix' heart will thank you in a decade or two. ;)

On the other hand I have a few direct comments at the 1C employee - simply as a channel to get some things to your boss (Ilya).

1.) The silent treatment Ilya gave to all those who cooperated with MG during the production of what was then Storm of War has now been expanded to the communities as a whole. It may fit his character to work quietly in a chamber and hope not to be bothered but it also sends a very strong "F*ck you!" signal to those who spent considerable time and effort into producing stuff for the release and now to the communities which don't see the most pressing current issues addressed. Nowadays, with several other development teams doing very commendable updates and community relations, this is not simply poor style but counter-productive.

2.) Any sequel title may be number one item on Maddox Games' list, but for the average customer it's currently simply irrelevant as it's not even announced nor more than a mere speck just above the horizon. Ilya can't honestly expect that any "news" about the work on this sequel will divert the attention of the customers away from the fact that the current release is in dire need of a major patch. It can't be a surprise that any update thread will always come back to the question that is burning: What is happening WRT the patch for Clod? Answering that question, and only that, will ease the strain and no amount of 3D work on objects of some sequel will alleviate the scorn the various boards are pouring over MG at the moment.

3.) I don't know what happened during the years of development and quite honestly I don't care, I know Ilya is not responsible for the mess CloD was at release but his handling of customer relations alone has done additional heavy damage to the already tarnished image of Maddox Games ... That he must be aware of and if he's not it's about damn time someone tells him. You can't treat people (customers of your product at that) like nagging idiots and expect them to salivate like the dogs of Pavlov. Not if you want them to buy further products ...

And now I'm off to my modelling workplace. :grin:

Excellent post, spot on.

5./JG27 Lehmann 03-14-2012 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csThor (Post 398868)
Well, I consider myself neutral in this issue - mostly because I have other hobbies so I am quite happy that I can devote time to them. ;) I am not ooh-aahing about CloD simply because there is IMO little to ooh-aah about. On the other hand I am not playing the dying swan just because of a computer game nor do I find the need to tear my hairs out in a public message board.

That said BlackSix here has the job I would not want for all the money in the world. He has to take the abuse and bad mood of various communities for which he is neither responsible nore accountable. That his frustration level is rising dangerously quick is not a surprise to me. So, in that respect, please throttle back a bit - BlackSix' heart will thank you in a decade or two. ;)

On the other hand I have a few direct comments at the 1C employee - simply as a channel to get some things to your boss (Ilya).

1.) The silent treatment Ilya gave to all those who cooperated with MG during the production of what was then Storm of War has now been expanded to the communities as a whole. It may fit his character to work quietly in a chamber and hope not to be bothered but it also sends a very strong "F*ck you!" signal to those who spent considerable time and effort into producing stuff for the release and now to the communities which don't see the most pressing current issues addressed. Nowadays, with several other development teams doing very commendable updates and community relations, this is not simply poor style but counter-productive.

2.) Any sequel title may be number one item on Maddox Games' list, but for the average customer it's currently simply irrelevant as it's not even announced nor more than a mere speck just above the horizon. Ilya can't honestly expect that any "news" about the work on this sequel will divert the attention of the customers away from the fact that the current release is in dire need of a major patch. It can't be a surprise that any update thread will always come back to the question that is burning: What is happening WRT the patch for Clod? Answering that question, and only that, will ease the strain and no amount of 3D work on objects of some sequel will alleviate the scorn the various boards are pouring over MG at the moment.

3.) I don't know what happened during the years of development and quite honestly I don't care, I know Ilya is not responsible for the mess CloD was at release but his handling of customer relations alone has done additional heavy damage to the already tarnished image of Maddox Games ... That he must be aware of and if he's not it's about damn time someone tells him. You can't treat people (customers of your product at that) like nagging idiots and expect them to salivate like the dogs of Pavlov. Not if you want them to buy further products ...

And now I'm off to my modelling workplace. :grin:

+1

If Ilya reads ONE post on this forum, please for god's sake let it be this one.

Unless it gets mysteriously deleted of course...

Friedric 03-14-2012 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csThor (Post 398868)
Well, I consider myself neutral in this issue - mostly because I have other hobbies so I am quite happy that I can devote time to them. ;) I am not ooh-aahing about CloD simply because there is IMO little to ooh-aah about. On the other hand I am not playing the dying swan just because of a computer game nor do I find the need to tear my hairs out in a public message board.

That said BlackSix here has the job I would not want for all the money in the world. He has to take the abuse and bad mood of various communities for which he is neither responsible nore accountable. That his frustration level is rising dangerously quick is not a surprise to me. So, in that respect, please throttle back a bit - BlackSix' heart will thank you in a decade or two. ;)

On the other hand I have a few direct comments at the 1C employee - simply as a channel to get some things to your boss (Ilya).

1.) The silent treatment Ilya gave to all those who cooperated with MG during the production of what was then Storm of War has now been expanded to the communities as a whole. It may fit his character to work quietly in a chamber and hope not to be bothered but it also sends a very strong "F*ck you!" signal to those who spent considerable time and effort into producing stuff for the release and now to the communities which don't see the most pressing current issues addressed. Nowadays, with several other development teams doing very commendable updates and community relations, this is not simply poor style but counter-productive.

2.) Any sequel title may be number one item on Maddox Games' list, but for the average customer it's currently simply irrelevant as it's not even announced nor more than a mere speck just above the horizon. Ilya can't honestly expect that any "news" about the work on this sequel will divert the attention of the customers away from the fact that the current release is in dire need of a major patch. It can't be a surprise that any update thread will always come back to the question that is burning: What is happening WRT the patch for Clod? Answering that question, and only that, will ease the strain and no amount of 3D work on objects of some sequel will alleviate the scorn the various boards are pouring over MG at the moment.

3.) I don't know what happened during the years of development and quite honestly I don't care, I know Ilya is not responsible for the mess CloD was at release but his handling of customer relations alone has done additional heavy damage to the already tarnished image of Maddox Games ... That he must be aware of and if he's not it's about damn time someone tells him. You can't treat people (customers of your product at that) like nagging idiots and expect them to salivate like the dogs of Pavlov. Not if you want them to buy further products ...

And now I'm off to my modelling workplace. :grin:

+1 Totaly agree

Seyou 03-14-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by csThor (Post 398868)
Well, I consider myself neutral in this issue - mostly because I have other hobbies so I am quite happy that I can devote time to them. ;) I am not ooh-aahing about CloD simply because there is IMO little to ooh-aah about. On the other hand I am not playing the dying swan just because of a computer game nor do I find the need to tear my hairs out in a public message board.

That said BlackSix here has the job I would not want for all the money in the world. He has to take the abuse and bad mood of various communities for which he is neither responsible nore accountable. That his frustration level is rising dangerously quick is not a surprise to me. So, in that respect, please throttle back a bit - BlackSix' heart will thank you in a decade or two. ;)

On the other hand I have a few direct comments at the 1C employee - simply as a channel to get some things to your boss (Ilya).

1.) The silent treatment Ilya gave to all those who cooperated with MG during the production of what was then Storm of War has now been expanded to the communities as a whole. It may fit his character to work quietly in a chamber and hope not to be bothered but it also sends a very strong "F*ck you!" signal to those who spent considerable time and effort into producing stuff for the release and now to the communities which don't see the most pressing current issues addressed. Nowadays, with several other development teams doing very commendable updates and community relations, this is not simply poor style but counter-productive.

2.) Any sequel title may be number one item on Maddox Games' list, but for the average customer it's currently simply irrelevant as it's not even announced nor more than a mere speck just above the horizon. Ilya can't honestly expect that any "news" about the work on this sequel will divert the attention of the customers away from the fact that the current release is in dire need of a major patch. It can't be a surprise that any update thread will always come back to the question that is burning: What is happening WRT the patch for Clod? Answering that question, and only that, will ease the strain and no amount of 3D work on objects of some sequel will alleviate the scorn the various boards are pouring over MG at the moment.

3.) I don't know what happened during the years of development and quite honestly I don't care, I know Ilya is not responsible for the mess CloD was at release but his handling of customer relations alone has done additional heavy damage to the already tarnished image of Maddox Games ... That he must be aware of and if he's not it's about damn time someone tells him. You can't treat people (customers of your product at that) like nagging idiots and expect them to salivate like the dogs of Pavlov. Not if you want them to buy further products ...

And now I'm off to my modelling workplace. :grin:

+1

Attila 03-14-2012 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSix (Post 398790)
The patch can be ready in any day.
On Fridays we publish information updates about the current situation and the next game. Friday updates and patch are not connected.

But, considering negative mood of users, we can stop to publish information updates on Fridays for a while.

blacksix hello!
what is your problem? You threaten your clientele? Hello, your product stands or falls with your clientele! You insult us! We have paid for this game and you f..k us day by day! I was a fanboy until now, but enough is enough! I play this game for years and have paid many euros to 1c in the last decade! I have tuned my PC so that the game is running-without success! For what? To let me insulting by you? I think we deserve an apology! Maybe you can treat your clientele in Russia like that, but not in the rest of the world! I hope you considered again in the future as you treat your clientele! And now you can ban me or something! Who cares!
PS: Sorry for my english, but maybe somebody from the comunity can translate it for you!!!!:evil:

carguy_ 03-14-2012 03:39 PM

Actually, this entire thread PRECISELY shows why BlackSix is considering cutting off the updates. The best example was tank vids - people flamed that thread to bits.

BlackSix, I understand if you or 1C goes silent. The attitude many people here put up deserves just that.

Walrus1 03-14-2012 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSix (Post 398790)
The patch can be ready in any day.
On Fridays we publish information updates about the current situation and the next game. Friday updates and patch are not connected.

This doesn't make sense to me. People want to be updated on the progress of the patch, even if it is a very brief status report. When did you decide to disconnect the updates and the patch? And why?

Kankkis 03-14-2012 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walrus1 (Post 398903)
This doesn't make sense to me. People want to be updated on the progress of the patch, even if it is a very brief status report. When did you decide to disconnect the updates and the patch? And why?

He means that patch release can be other day than friday, it's released when it's ready.

Allons! 03-14-2012 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kankkis (Post 398906)
He means that patch release can be other day than friday, it's released when it's ready.

Friday is also when its ready so this is no argument.. ;)


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