Wow Krupi, a link to a site that still refers to 'the Fuehrer'.

No thanks. ;)

P.S. I'm a scoundrel then. :(

Peacemongers Germany, who knew!:rolleyes:

Right. Because there was no aggression to be fought in Europe at that time.:rolleyes:

I thought war started with Germany`s aggresion to Poland earlier:confused:

Right. They should have stayed out until they`re all alone.

Also straffing thousands of civilians leaving the city. They did set a tone for leading a war - a total war once again.

Because Hitler never conducted anything other than a military operation:rolleyes:

Fair enough but what Orville posted sounds just like a speech by Goebells.
I must say I'm quite sure Avro is laughing his socks off at the moment as the usual suspects rush pell-mell to defend their beloved LW, eh Kurfy?:-)

Btw, your'e quite right about Krupi's post. Heres what wiki has to say about the delightful author of his link;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Z%C3%BCndel

I'm constantly amazed by some of the links people provide in these forums!

All this talk of bombing innocent civilians gets me totally pumped UP and looking forward to the later periods of IL-2 where we can get into our B-17s finally and into large formations and go to Dresden again. 8!!!

You git! I've just sprayed coffee all over my laptop. lol.

Enough with the Nazi apologist BS!
Theirs was a belief system based on extermination of those whom they considered 'untermenschen' after they had sucked all the energy they had to give. They manipulated genuine grievances to nefarious ends and damn near destroyed their own people in the process. The atrocities they committed were almost beyond comprehension, and the wretched fate of nations such as Ukraine and Poland was to be caught between the twin horrors of Stalin and Hitler.
It was an ignoble cause and unfortunately some noble men fought for them, whilst other noble German men were killed by that feral regime because they dared to oppose it.

Hitler was a ruthless, amoral politician who routinely betrayed agreements he made with opponents once he had the power to do so- he nearly won the war in the West in May 1940 when Lord Halifax almost got the numbers in the British parliament to begin negotiations with Hitler for an armistice.

Both sides of the conflict began the war expressing noble intent to avoid civilian deaths and even attempting to avoid the destruction of private property, but once the dogs of war are set loose there is no controlling whom or what they will consume.

I have no doubt the allied nations winning the conflict saved Western Europe from a new dark age. I play a flight simulator GAME to test my skill and enjoy the thrill of virtual combat, not pretend that I am actually engaged in a life and death struggle that has the potential to wipe liberal democracies off the face of the planet. That's why i can get routinely shot down and laugh as i say 'Damn, i got shot in the head again!'

Corrected for factuality. ;)

Both sides attempted to hit industries, but there was of course a lot of collateral damage.

Bomber Command started its attacks on German cities on the night of 11 May 1940, a plan that was considered for some time by the War Cabinet, well before any German meaningful bombing of British soil occured (a few bombs fell on Orkney island, killing a single man iirc)

RAF Bomber Command was authorized to attack German targets east of the Rhine on May 15, 1940; the Air Ministry authorized Air Marshal Charles Portal to attack targets in the Ruhr, including oil plants and other civilian industrial targets which aided the German war effort, such as blast furnaces (which at night were self-illuminating).

The underlying motive for the attacks was to divert German air forces away from the land front. Churchill explained the rationale of his decision to his French counterparts in a letter dated the 16th: "I have examined today with the War Cabinet and all the experts the request which you made to me last night and this morning for further fighter squadrons. We are all agreed that it is better to draw the enemy on to this Island by striking at his vitals, and thus to aid the common cause."

Due to the inadequate British bomb-sights the strikes that followed had the effect of terror raids on towns and villages. On the night of 15/16 May, 96 bombers crossed the Rhine and attacked. 78 had been assigned oil targets, but only 24 claimed to have accomplished their objective.

On the night of May 17/18, RAF Bomber Command bombed oil installations in Hamburg and Bremen; the H.E. and 400 incendiaries dropped caused six large, one moderately large and 29 small fires. As a result of the attack, 47 people were killed and 127 were wounded. Railway yards at Cologne were attacked on the same night.

During May, Essen, Duisburg, Düsseldorf and Hanover were attacked in a similar fashion by Bomber Command. In June, attacks were made on Dortmund, Mannheim, Frankfurt and Bochum. At the time, Bomber Command lacked the necessary navigational and bombing technical background and the accuracy of the bombings during the night attacks was abysmal. Consequently, the bombs were usually scattered over a large area, and the bombing was seen as indiscriminate. There was an uproar in Germany, Jodl wanted retalitory bombing attacks, but Hitler turned him down.

RAF BC during this period in May-June 1940 attempted to limit the bombing to military/industrial targets, just like the Germans tried to do so in Battle of Britain.

Operation Abigail Rachel was the bombing of Mannheim the first deliberate terror raid on Germany on the 16 December. The British had been waiting for the opportunity to experiment with such a raid aimed at creating a maximum of destruction in a selected town since the summer 1940, and the opportunity was given after the German raid on Coventry.

Internally it was declared to be a reprisal for Coventry and Southampton. The new bombing policy was officially ordered by Churchill at the start of December and the operation on condition it receive no publicity and be considered an experiment. Target marking missed the city center and most bombs missed the city center. This led to the development of the bomber stream.Despite the lack of decisive success of this raid, approval was granted for further Abigails. This was the start of a British drift away from precision attacks on military targets and towards area bombing attacks on whole cities.

Do you know what happened if there wasn't Stalin and the rise of the red star?
I don't.

Of course you can supply sources for this statement...

Your opinion beggars belief.

The word is Führer. It means leader. It doesnt say "mein Führer" which would give it the meaning of alligence.

Its a common German world still in use:

http://www.dict.cc/?s=F%C3%BChrer

:rolleyes: