So the rest of us ain't loyal enough because we support steam? or could it simply be that we're less paranoid and actually know how the service works..

What the hell do you think you are doing!?

Bad move indeed. You're only feeding a monster when you use Steam. Very disappointing. Was there really any need to do it? No. People won't want to buy CoD now. Yes, it may be a minority, but those figures soon add up. And how much will those lost sales cost you? How much?

I vote that the whiners get YuPlay DRM instead. That should shut them up.

Tbh if that would be the case, you'd be the loser as Oleg is your only hope of a modern state of the art ww2 flight sim for quite a while. Thankfully it's only a small minority which is against steam.
Steam is no monster btw, its a great solid platform.

zauii, you are reading something into my statement that I am not implying.

Why so defensive about Steam? It's not your country, or your family, it's a game downloading service.

Did you miss where I said that selling CoD on Steam was OK and probably a good thing?

Once again I will lay it out for you as plainly as I can...

Selling Cliffs of Dover on STEAM is a good thing for the sim. Making those of us who purchase it through other means have STEAM on our computers is not a good thing.

As I said, other developers and publishers market on Steam and also through traditional outlets, and they do not require those that buy the product from a source other than Steam to have a Steam account to play. And guess what, that makes eveyone happy.

Why should Cliffs of Dover be any different?

When my group of friends get together to play ArmA II online, some of us have the Steam version and other the non-Steam version. We play the sim, have a very good time and everyone is happy.

What is wrong with that?

Nobody said I wouldn't be buying it. Several regular Il2 players I know will not be buying it. Steam is a corporate monster. So much so that game stores have protested over not buying games which require Steamworks. You're feeding something that will eventually dominate the market. Once that happens, the price you pay to "own" your games is in their hands.

Don't have any issues with Steam or in this case Steamworks (browser for match making etc), thank goodness they're not using Games for Windows Live.

Game stores protested because Steam was going to sell PC games for less than the RRP, while still giving several times as much money to the developers of the games per sale. Said game stores threatened to stop stocking games that use Steam unless Steam was forced to keep selling games at RRP. If Steam had their way we would able to buy games at considerably cheaper prices.

Also, the game stores rake off around 60% of the price you pay in-store for each game.

How come I can always get the same game on Amazon for half as much as on steam then?

I can live with Steam. But I prefer to do without it. Being a cheapskate I was going to wait till this game was about £20. With Steam forced on me, I will wait till its £10. That way when Steam fails me, I wont feel so bad.

mm.. yeh it feels good "supporting" the hard work of the developers with your 10£ doesn't it...