Well there aren't too many charts available for in-game performance of anything, and certainly not with CEM switched off. :evil:

I mostly fly the Spit 2 at the moment....I'm trying to get a handle on it and that'll take me some time and its fun to learn....although It seems I struggle against the 109s and don't really stand a chance if the enemy pilot keeps 'E' and doesn't fight but extends away (or up) and then picks his time to attack...There is nothing a spit pilot can do as far as I can see to combat this tactic apart from turn a lot and stay close to home (which I tend to do) and hope I get spotted by a friendly when I'm in distress....If the 109 pilot is niave enough to turn fight then I may stand a chance....

So my only kills in a spit tend to be against new pilots, pilots that have not seen me or already damaged aircraft....

The other day I flew a 109 just to see what the weaknesses may have been..I managed to suss out the auto-prop pitch which takes a lot of workload off the pilot and I was good to go....in 2 sorties I killed 5 aircraft by ripping wings off them and p/king....In one scenario I was chased to France by 3 Spits that I outran and then turned to pick at by boom and zooming when I was clear....I took one of them out.....and when I was hit it was only minor hits....

Conclusion...To my mind the 109 far outclasses the Spit by quite a way...and in future if I want some one sided battle for fun I'll jump in a 109....The 109 is relatively easy to fly in this sim......I remember one Battlle of Britain RAF pilot explaining that the main difference between the two was that the spit was easy to fly "Any idiot could fly a spit"....

As for killing the game well it doesn't for me...I am dissapointed in how embarrassingly bad the Spit flys in the sim after all the books I have read about how good it was......Although it won't stop me trying to master the Spit as the underdog in this sim....For me it would be better if they were more evenly matched just so I get a more even battle irrelevant of how close they are to R/L Fms.....

Anyways......I still love the Game!

PS....THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION......Dont kill me!!

"I am dissapointed in how embarrassingly bad the Spit flys in the sim after all the books I have read about how good it was"

I want a 109, based on the life of Hartmann, Barkhorn and Rall. If i can shot down more than 900 enemy with 3 lives, then the game will be accurate!!
:rolleyes:

Another observation is that RAF only really refer to the Spitfire, yet the Spitfire totally outclasses the Hurricane in game too, so for Hurricane pilots it is yet another notch down - there is little you can do in the Hurricane, outturned, outspeed, outclimbed, outrolled etc etc etc. Given that Hurricanes were 2/3rds of the RAF it displays just how rubbish a job the devs have done so far, it is impossible to have anything historical set up here.
I suspect I'll just get another infraction but I honestly would prefer to be celebrating - I just cannot, and that's not our fault.

You make an excellent post then follow it up with this nonsense Tom. I think you've totally missed the point.

Aircraft performance can not be accurately compared based on Books and stories. You do not know what were the circumstances, what was the battle scene, what was the status of the planes, who was the experienced pilots, had they damage or injury before, and you don't know many other reason.
If you read memoirs of pilots who survived the war – it's incredible– but all of them survived the war, and all of them will tell you that they plane was better than other. They win the dogfights.

Kozhedub was asked once, what he thinks, what was the best plane of the WW2? He replied: "The La-7. I hope you understand why."

I think that this vote is flawed given the fact most 109 pilots that will vote NO. I just don't see the enjoyment in this game until the FM are fixed.. I mean, it's like a 2 horse race at present and one of them is a donkey.

I want to be Kobe Bryant to! If they'd only lower that stupid goal from 10 feet to 5 then I would own it.

I guess this is what I will picture whenever I hear someone say they are draggin one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW7VrHIZmr0

I certainly recognize that pilots will tend to be biased -- frequently VERY biased -- in favour or disfavour of the plane type they flew. On balance, to a degree, Spitfire pilots also noted with honesty how the Spitfire Mark V was outclassed by the FW 190, and how they also sincerely believed the subsequent Spitfire Mark IX evened things up.

I am not quick to discount anecdotal references by pilots who actually flew the aircraft in combat as utterly worthless. By definition, if something, even a subjective opinion, is not utterly worthless....then there HAS to be SOME worth to a firsthand observation or impression. Whether they were confident in their aircraft or disdainful of it, there's gotta be a reason other than some empty-headed conviction. Charts, graphs, and highlighted documents are wonderful, until you find yourself at 20 angels and virtual cannon shells are ripping through your virtual cockpit.

So, I read through the many, many accounts written by pilots of both sides to get an overall impression before relying exclusively on what the charts say. This is the EXACT reason ALL meteorologists look out the window before going home for the day to see if they need an umbrella.