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zapatista 12-19-2007 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stalkervision (Post 31554)
No, I understand you quite well. Why is it that the most simple of minded posters always believes they are so complex they think people don't understand their nonsense, god? Even with your posts in quotes your rational isn't worth reading no matter how it is posted..

I could posts all my stuff in quotes all day long and you would still be incapable of understanding it. I figured this way you would at least bother to make an effort to try to understand what I was saying. What is the matter can't differentiate "Stalker" from your own insipid names.. zapatista! :)

err and thats it ? try and use all your crayons at least

post something meaningful next time if you are going to press the submit button

zapatista 12-19-2007 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by LEXX (Post 31551)
Urufu_Shinjiro::
That's why this thread serves no purpose. If there is proof it would be poasted because it would need to be talked about. Further, if there is proven hack cheating, than its because of Online cheaters in anonymous public dogfight shooter servers and not honest Online players or Offline players.

lexx,

i have seen your name posted there in at least one or 2 posts, so you have had a look and are familiar with the extent that files are now being modified. you then also know that none of this can be detected anymore when people join fullreal servers.

how come you arnt concerned ?

stalkervision 12-19-2007 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by zapatista (Post 31559)
err and thats it ? try and use all your crayons at least

post something meaningful next time if you are going to press the submit button


So now you want me to use crayons colors now for you to understand the posts? I was looking for some nice smilie quote Pumkins and kitty quote pics for you. Would't you prefer those?
:)

Lo0n 12-19-2007 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by zapatista (Post 31557)
urufu,

i think this is your first post in this thread, so i'll take it at face value that your not just trolling like the hack kiddies who just want to keep advertising their vandalism here.

about the "cheating" with the soundmod files, the following things are known beyond doubt:
1) the soundfile hack opened up must of the previously locked data in il2, including plane features like engines, wing shape, plane size, mirrors, cockpit shape and canopy bars/glass, removing cockpits completely, etc..
2) even on servers running checksum 2 they cant detect soundmod files or other additionally edited parameters anymore
3) i have posted you examples of people adding gyro sights to planes that normally dont have them, adding mirrors, and people flying unauthorized planes on full real servers. if you look at the files the hack kiddies use, all that is available, and you have no way of telling what is switched on/off when they then join servers online

good job advertising yourself there zap, seems to me that you are one of those "hack kiddies".
the locked data... well i've not seen where it has opened up wing shape or removed sections of pits, or resized them... i've seen an added mirror and a swapped out gun sight, only done with a heap of photographic and written evidence to back it up.
speaking of evidence... not seen any from yourself about this checksum=2 being broken, please do show us, come one. you must have it somewhere, someone of your vastly superior intellect and maturity must be able to produce this, surely? or do you want to leave it to throwing insults, trying to "cry to headteacher" or get those wanting to discuss this banned?

Viking 12-19-2007 02:20 PM

Please guys let it drop!

Zapatista is only striving to get this thread closed down so he can claim “victory”.
Refrain from answering and arguing and just let this thread stand as an monument over the unjust accusations.

zapatista 12-19-2007 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lo0n (Post 31564)
good job advertising yourself there zap, seems to me that you are one of those "hack kiddies".

its like the old joke about the fool being able to ask more questions then 10 wise men can answer lol

i'll give you a similar one in return, unless you right now jump of the roof of your house then this proves you are cheating online.

easy really, how to create an absurd argument.try and use some higher reasoning functions next time, add a bit of executive control to the thoughts popping up in your reptilian brain centers.

yeps i had a look this afternoon to see which places provided the qtim files and hacks, simple really, took exactly 3 min with google. even funnier how there seems to be no honor amongst thieves, and half you lot that are blabbering here arn't even aware what exactly can be done with those files now, or how bad things have gotten. neither do you even seem to read your own forums very well it seems.

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Originally Posted by Lo0n (Post 31564)
the locked data... well i've not seen where it has opened up wing shape or removed sections of pits, or resized them... i've seen an added mirror and a swapped out gun sight, only done with a heap of photographic and written evidence to back it up.

thats why its so easy to determine most of you "hack apologists" are just trolling here, you come and pretend to be all innocent, and all this is blatant in your own back yard.

how about a nice G4 replacing the G2 109 in game ? a bit of a hack job in all the cutting and welding, or should i say cutting and pasting ?
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This G4 replaces the stock G2 in the sim.
Arrow Fuselage: From G2.
Arrow Wings: Taken from G6 (>To obtain the little wing bulges ).
Arrow Wheels & undercarriage: Taken from G6 (>To obtain the fixed tailwheel ).
or how about a "G10-Erla" replaces the stock G10 in the sim ?
again all you need is a bit of cut and pasting

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Tailplane: From G10.
Wheels & undercarriage: Taken from G10
Engine hood: Taken from G2 , To obtain the flat left engine hood and a correct harmonization between MGs furrows and compressor intake
Antenna: Taken from K4 (>for the specific antenna missing mast).
Wings: Taken from K4 (>for the large wing bulges )
et voila, nothing a 12 yo with notepad cant do

ahh and lets have a little guess now to see whom of you think that with all this the visibility from the cockpit will be improved or reduced compared to the stock standard planes ?

1, 2, 3... all together now, ... improved of course ! they have even removed the armored cockpit glass visual effect so you can see better.

and i have another riddle for you now, will using these planes now be detected when joining full real servers.... you should know the answer by now, of course they wont. and half the lot of you will keep jabbering on of course that using these planes is "more real", lol except of course you wont be telling the other people on the servers you are using them

http://rapidshare.com/files/77673952...sters.zip.html

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Originally Posted by Lo0n (Post 31564)
speaking of evidence... not seen any from yourself about this checksum=2 being broken, please do show us .

hang on now, you want me to hack my own files and go and cheat online to prove to the cheaters that it is possible ? you might have missed it, but i am here arguing against it.

JG52Uther 12-19-2007 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro (Post 31543)
Ok, this is so damn stupid! Someone claims to have proof, the acussed asks to see said proof, the one with proof says "I have it, but I don't think I'll show you". I'm sorry but if you say you have proof and don't produce it then that makes you a liar! I've tried to stay out of these threads because they are going nowhere but this was too much to ignore, I mean the nerve! I can't beleive you actually have the nerve to claim "I have proof" and then when asked to show it for the world to see you are right you say" ummm welll, I have proof but I...I don't wanna show it...", That if fecking insane!!!

Thanks Urufu,it is all I ever wanted.But it is useless,it is not worth the abuse to try and put your point of view across.Best to stay out of the threads now,and let them say what they want.At the end of the day its not really important compared to what is happening in the real world is it.
Today I learned that a friend of mine had his leg blown off this week in Iraq fighting terrorists.THAT is important.This is not.

zapatista 12-20-2007 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JG52Uther (Post 31570)
Thanks Urufu,it is all I ever wanted.But it is useless,it is not worth the abuse to try and put your point of view across.Best to stay out of the threads now,and let them say what they want..

your being hypocritical uther

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Originally Posted by Uther
Joined: 02 Nov 2007
Posts: 172 Location: UK
Post Can someone please make a 109 E mirror?
Forget the poll,can someone please do this? Please

ahh but you were badly misunderstood were you, in fact you asked for it only, and weren't going to use it ?

or was it, you only were going to use it offline

mmm or was it, you were going to use it online but actually msg everybody to let them know you had extra features added to your plane ?

which was it ?

JG52Uther 12-20-2007 07:13 AM

'Today I learned that a friend of mine had his leg blown off this week in Iraq fighting terrorists.THAT is important.This is not'

You missed that bit off your quote.


And you did'nt quote this one either:

'zapatista seems to know more about modding in il2 than I ever will!
Although I love these mods,I have 2 installs of il2. Unless I am playing with friends,I use the unmodded version online.'


Yes I will only use the mirror offline,although no one has actually made one yet.

Done talking to you.

Lo0n 12-20-2007 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by zapatista (Post 31568)
its like the old joke about the fool being able to ask more questions then 10 wise men can answer lol

i'll give you a similar one in return, unless you right now jump of the roof of your house then this proves you are cheating online.

easy really, how to create an absurd argument.try and use some higher reasoning functions next time, add a bit of executive control to the thoughts popping up in your reptilian brain centers.

yeps i had a look this afternoon to see which places provided the qtim files and hacks, simple really, took exactly 3 min with google. even funnier how there seems to be no honor amongst thieves, and half you lot that are blabbering here arn't even aware what exactly can be done with those files now, or how bad things have gotten. neither do you even seem to read your own forums very well it seems.



thats why its so easy to determine most of you "hack apologists" are just trolling here, you come and pretend to be all innocent, and all this is blatant in your own back yard.

how about a nice G4 replacing the G2 109 in game ? a bit of a hack job in all the cutting and welding, or should i say cutting and pasting ?


or how about a "G10-Erla" replaces the stock G10 in the sim ?
again all you need is a bit of cut and pasting



et voila, nothing a 12 yo with notepad cant do

ahh and lets have a little guess now to see whom of you think that with all this the visibility from the cockpit will be improved or reduced compared to the stock standard planes ?

1, 2, 3... all together now, ... improved of course ! they have even removed the armored cockpit glass visual effect so you can see better.

and i have another riddle for you now, will using these planes now be detected when joining full real servers.... you should know the answer by now, of course they wont. and half the lot of you will keep jabbering on of course that using these planes is "more real", lol except of course you wont be telling the other people on the servers you are using them

http://rapidshare.com/files/77673952...sters.zip.html


hang on now, you want me to hack my own files and go and cheat online to prove to the cheaters that it is possible ? you might have missed it, but i am here arguing against it.

no i didn't miss that, but you have access to all this, you are accusing all of cheating and being able to, so prove it. you can delete the files once you are done and go back to stock, and you can warn the servers you are conducting a test so there are no long term implications. wouldn't want to see you banned form servers for proving your point.

actually the reason i don't know what is possible to alter for cheating is because i have zero interest in doing that. i don't fly online at all, if i ever did it would be with a fresh clean install, where is the satisfaction to be found from beating someone using cheats? so i won't be jumping off my roof, which surely is against some form of conduct, maybe not the forum RoC, but certainly those of an adult who proclaims intellectual and moral superiority.
the point of the absurd argument is that it can be extended to a ridiculous point, reductio ad absurdum, so where you say having a mirror is a cheat, i can just as easily say that having track ir is a cheat, an advantage that is not enjoyed by everyone. jesus, mirrors are no use when you have f6! you probably have a greater advantage if you use a 30 inch screen. fair enough, blatant cheats like a mk108 armed uber spitfire may be possible with the mod, but i have not seen it, i have not heard of it, and i have seen no evidence that it can be used on a chkruntime=2 server. if you are so adamant that it can be done then please post something showing it. educate me.

where were you going with that little tirade? seems you went off on a tangent and started trying to insult me. i've asked one question, nd that is what proof you have. surely 10 wise men are not needed for this. you asked no question of me so, well, what do i answer?

you need to read more at the other place, or quote in context. the frankenplanes have the fm of the planes they replace, so that g4 is a cosmetically altered g2, ditto the g10 erla. they replace a slot in the game. as far as i have seen fm dm and wm are the same as the ones they replace. so at a guess, if they were used in a server where some did not have the mods, then they would appear as a g2 and a g10 to those people. also, at a guess, they would be hardly able to tell the difference anyway. as for whether they can be used in a chkruntime=2 server... well i still don't know, because there is still nothing concrete posted to prove one way or another.

sorry the hear about your friend uther, does put stuff in perspective.


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