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RedToo 07-10-2012 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MB_Avro_UK (Post 441646)
Hi all,

I regard myself as educated. I have a good university degree, I went to what is regarded as a 'good' school and I enjoy all periods and aspects of history. I value reasoned and at times unreasoned debate!

As regards Cliffs of Dover, I cannot bring myself to 'fly' German aircraft. I used to fly German aircraft in il2 1946 against Russian aircraft online without a problem. Maybe this was a Cold War hang-over??

Perhaps the problem is caused by an 'enemy' attacking my home?? Yes, I realise that it's not real and it all comprises digital ones and noughts etc. But overflying Dover, Brighton and Manston with such good maps does bring it home to me.

How would our German members here feel about an RAF Bomber Command and US 8th bomber assault on their country as a simulator? Would a few German members fly Lancasters and B-17s?

What are the opinions of today's Neutrals?

And as I have mentioned in a previous thread, this post is in no way a condemnation of today's Germany. Germany is my second home. Britain and Germany lost their way in 1914 because of politicians and again in 1939. And our beer tastes the same:) And we have the same Royal Family:)

And many of us have similar DNA:)

How's the Euro at the moment:cool:



Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Interesting Avro, and I have to say as regards a thread starter, you've done it again. :)

RedToo.

GBrutus 07-10-2012 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RCAF_FB_Orville (Post 442862)
Thank you Al. I have raised these points before. Other "Inconvenient subjects" for the apologists are the German Policy of "Total War", and the Zeppelin and Gotha TERROR RAIDS of WWI, burning hundreds of British Women and Children alive with incendiary devices. Terribly rum bunch, these Huns.

Little wonder, then, that the British Public have little to no sympathy for what ensued.

I stand with Harris (an RFC Fighter Ace, one whom can hardly be accused of cowardice). Harris was particularly moved as he surveyed the devastation wrought by Gotha and Zeppelin Bombers on the City of London in 1917-18. They bombed people indiscriminately, including my own Tyneside, Sunderland, and even Edinburgh and Glasgow too.

Do we see a "pattern" emerging, here....or is it just me?

"They that sow the wind, shall reap the whirlwind" .

You kill 1000 of our Women and Children, we will do our utmost to kill 10 thousand of our Enemy. All is fair, in love and War. Hard lines.

No sympathy. None. Zilch. Nada. Cry me a river.

End of story.

Seriously, Orville, this just makes you come across as a total tw@t. At least Avro was just (mostly) having a laugh. 'Cry me a river'? You're talking about women and children for Christ's sake.

MB_Avro_UK 07-10-2012 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RedToo (Post 443242)
Interesting Avro, and I have to say as regards a thread starter, you've done it again. :)

RedToo.

Yes and no. Or both;)

As the OP, I'm exploring how computer simulations are perceived by players. Who and what do we identify with? And why? Are our emotions,experiences and desires reflected within this medium?

It may amaze some of you, but I am human. Yes, my mother was a Cyborg, but time and medical science have moved on. It is time to forget our past mistakes and rejoice as one.

How is the Euro at the moment?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

MB_Avro_UK 07-10-2012 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurfürst (Post 442941)
I would say its quite typical of the British mindset that they developed in their colonial wars. They thought themselves to be superior to anyone else, but when their arrogance fails against a superior military force on the battlefield, they tried terror on the enemy population.

Harris tried exactly that - and he failed. What he DID achieve is getting the best educated younger British men killed and drive his country bancrupt with the staggering costs of Bomber Command's ultimately ineffectual terror offensive.

I agree in part. Yes, the best educated young men were killed, and all were volunteers. And yes, WW2 bankrupted Britain. Maybe BC's campaign was not as effective as expected. But how is effectiveness measured in this context?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

pencon 07-10-2012 09:39 PM

The way I see it , this is a fighter plane simulator , not a politics simulator . Pilots back then were pilots , not politicians . Either side's pilots had to do as they were told . Period . That was then .This is now . Lighten up already .Some would call this a video game . Don't get all effed up about it .And yes, I prefer to fly the 109 .Why ? Looks meaner and has waaay better fire power . Also love the camo schemes and the whole cigar shape themed fuselage .Just waiting for my fave the FW190 to come out in the next version .Something about allied planes just bores the crap out of me although I do agree with what they stood for ..Perhaps it's the pea shooter guns .

arthursmedley 07-10-2012 10:41 PM

When I was a kid I made Airfix models and hung them from my bedroom ceiling and thought wouldn't it be cool if they could really fly? Well now they do from the comfort of my own living room on my PC. What a blast!
Do I make any connection with all these neat little pixels to a historical reality? Not at all.
The only thing thats made me think about that reality is seeing a burning aircraft in Rise of Flight 'cause that looks really nasty!

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Originally Posted by pencon (Post 443349)
Just waiting for my fave the FW190 to come out in the next version .

+1. Mmmmmmm...it may take five, six or seven years but looking forward to taking a 190 up against P47's on the ATAG server on a Normandy map one day.

5./JG27.Farber 07-10-2012 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by arthursmedley (Post 443382)
When I was a kid I made Airfix models and hung them from my bedroom ceiling and thought wouldn't it be cool if they could really fly? Well now they do from the comfort of my own living room on my PC. What a blast!

I used to make them too! Cut them carefully from the sprues and clean off the flash. Do my up most best to get the glue right and paint them properly with no brush marks. Carefully apply the decals and then admire them. Then when it was a nice day I would take them outside and shoot them to pieces with my air rifle. Awww those were the days! :-P

arthursmedley 07-10-2012 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber (Post 443388)
I used to make them too! Cut them carefully from the sprues and clean off the flash. Do my up most best to get the glue right and paint them properly with no brush marks. Carefully apply the decals and then admire them. Then when it was a nice day I would take them outside and shoot them to pieces with my air rifle. Awww those were the days! :-P

I think the crisis came around the age of twelve/thirteen. The girl next door was becoming more interesting than airplane glue. My eldest brother came home on leave with some thunderflashes and a warped sense of humour.
I came home from school to find him and my other brothers "re-enacting" the BoB by running the clothes line from my bedroom window and with the aid of bent coat hangers and the contents of a few thunderflashes my airforce were flaming down the garden. Bastards! Lol.:-)

RCAF_FB_Orville 07-10-2012 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GBrutus (Post 443284)
Seriously, Orville, this just makes you come across as a total tw@t. At least Avro was just (mostly) having a laugh. 'Cry me a river'? You're talking about women and children for Christ's sake.

Well, that is your opinion Brutus, which you are of course entitled to. Now have a long, hard think about WHY and how you are allowed to have this opinion. Hint maybe it had something to do with those who had more balls than you will EVER have, doing something about it.

I am sick and tired of reading this bleeding heart "Oh....the Poor Germans" type rubbish. How much "mercy" do you think would have be extended by Herr Hitler, and his grisly gang of thugs....If they had the means to Annihilate each and every British person on the planet? How long do you think that he would have debated the "morality" of such an action?

Sometimes, as horrible as this may sound.....one must fight fire, with fire. You ask someone from Coventry, for example.....how much "sympathy" they have for what happened. The prevalent mood in Britain was indeed one of vengeance, and I for one do not cry about those who would not even give me a second thought....whilst on their Merry Jaunt of Teutonic World Domination.

Bottom line is...The scourge of German Militarism is no more. I think they "got the idea" of why they cannot conduct themselves in such a way....Not by limp wristed apologia, but by extreme violence. Sad, but true.

You have sympathy for the Devil. I do not. Fair enough. Carry on. :grin:

arthursmedley 07-10-2012 11:46 PM

Whatever Orville:rolleyes: He's right though. You do come across as a tw@t when you post this kinda stuff.


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