18k copies might be a failure if you're talking about an MMO or an FPS/RTS, but you must remember that this is neither. This is a high-fidelity WW2 flightsim, which is a market that's incredibly narrow and has a very small fanbase in general. Is 18k copies low? In raw numbers, yes, it is. Viewed in light of how few simmers on this level there actually is, it might not be all that low.

What I want to know, however, is where vgchartz gets their numbers from. I don't trust anything when it comes to third-party reportingsites for sales/subscribers, through long experience with MMO's.

Looking at it this way ... you're right!

Sorry, I don't get these arguments that the developers are 'buying time' or dragging their feet in any way. Nor do I understand the complaints that they should hold back on work to the sequel until CloD is fully fixed.

They have no doubt generated the bulk of the sales from CloD as it stands and need more revenue to keep developement going. They cannot release a sequel until the code is fixed so the coming patch is an absolute essential priority for them plus any more that may follow. Once the code is fixed and CloD works as it should then the first thing people here will be clamouring for is the next theatre. And wouldn't they be weed off if Luthier then said, 'Ok guys, we'll start work right away so should be done in a year or two or so.'

This way CloD will be fixed as soon as and the sequel will follow as the bulk of the 3D modeling and maps will be done and the engine will be the same.

Hopefully reviews and sales of the sequel will be much better than cloD. You desk pilots will be happy bunnies (yeah right) and future developement will continue as per IL2.

I for one will buy the sequel on release if only to do my tiny bit to keep the whole show rolling along in return for hours of fun.

I wonder who of the simming community would take the game only per download when we all love thick handbooks, printed cards and stuff like this. OK lets take another 10% of steam-only copies. Revenuewise we have to take into account the massive falling of current prices. Greetz, Allons!

P.S. When the engine is fixed i will buy BoM as well right away, if the fixed engine comes with BoM and is told to work with CoD i will wait until all here claim the engine as working.

I bought 2 digital versions (russian and international) as downloads and the collectors edition. I know 2 squadies bought it from Steam. 4:1 for download sales in my experience.

This makes too much sense and we don't roll that way around here :-P

On a serious note, that's my take on things as well:

Engine is common -> fix the engine

3d models are different and done by different people -> give them something to work on while the programmers fix the engine, so that it doesn't take another 7 years for the sequel.

S!

Let's hope they pull it off as today I had some memorable moments while playing offline campaign by DS. Taking off in that Bf109E-1 as being in a 2nd line unit and a fresh pilot to fly over Dunkerque, engage fighters and try to survive it all and navigate back home admiring the slowly rising sun and waking up France. CoD has it's moments and I really hope from bottom of my heart that Luthier and his team can save it and make it prosper to East and also towards Mediterranean and beyond :D

+1 Flanker but its even nicer in a Bf110 :grin:

I'd buy a CE of CLoD today if I could find one for sale the US. The only thing I see is eBay sales. 1C or their US publishers need to find a way to market the more expensive physical versions in the US, and include enough quality items to make it desireable. Build it *and sell it here* and we will come.

I think most people on these forums will buy BoM despite what they quite legitimately complain about here. Why? Because they are sim/combat enthusiasts and can't wait for a new arena to play in. There are a handful here that won't, those that have no real interest in those sims or CoD. For most of us CoD and BoM will be our playground. For that handful these forums are their playground. If only they would just fade away.