In terms of IL2, there is no need for 1C to waste any time on the matter when they have lots of more pressing issues to deal with. Particularly when, as we all know, there are other non official ways to get content into the game, which are not bound by past agreements.

Ultimately when the SoW Series progresses to the Pacific, as it must, the issue will need to be addressed, but by then the position in law may have changed. Either way I suspect a smart copyright lawyer could blow holes in any existing agreements, but this could be costly if NG were to fight it.

NG is not the only problem in the US. Organisations like Lockheed Martin and Boeing have both caused similar problems in the past. In the UK things seem more relaxed but in theory there could be issues. Do you know for example that the term RAF is a registered trademark of the Ministry of Defence, as are the RAF roundels. I'm not aware that this has ever caused any restrictions to model makers or sim creators though.

The RAF museums in the UK sell branded products, like mugs and tee shirts. I guess they are just protecting this, and the proceeds go back into the funding for the museums, which is all good stuff.

Contrary to what has been said earlier the UK still has some old ship builders still exist or are now owned by new companies. Armstrong Vickers and BAe Systems come to mind. However those companies have not sought to claim trademark rights over names of historic ships.

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You are joking?????? The maps alone are worth the mods, brilliant work brilliant!!
They allow mission makers a broad canvas on which to place their work and most are just a joy to fly over.
I wont even touch on the great cockpits, sounds, extra aircraft, and Zuti's
work is just mind blowing.
Where have you been for the last couple of years? Man is your education lacking.
cheers,
Ibis.

I've been right at the source for the last years and beyond. And my education is at least no based on what's written in forums only and my oppinion is not only based on subjective, superficial impressions.

Maps are no aruments for me towards mods.
Because:

1st: 3rd party map building have been possible before the free and wild modding was existant. 1CM even shared the official maptools with 3rd party.

2nd: as with all other themes in modding, the map building has produced good and bad results, with the bad ones in majority. The good ones have the possibility to come into the stock game (as it was possible already back then). A first example was the Solomons map others will follow.

And the other things you named...
'Great cockpits'... like Ranwers maybe or the 150MB(!) texture approach on P-47 (where 8MB would be enough!)... 'Freddy's texture raping orgy'?
'Extra aircraft'... like the 100 versions of Bf109 or the horrible Frankenplanes?
Zuti's work isn't perfect, a lot of server guys can tell you this. However, it was impressive enough, that it was included in to the stock version as far as it was possible.

Sorry, I don't really need and don't want this. There is so few, regarding mods, that I would say, I do like it and see, that its well done... so that it is in fact in summary not worthy to install a new game version for it.

Go with your oppinion and do like it as much as you want.
I know, you are not knowing, what alot of scrap you do install there beside the few good things.
But that doesn't matter anyway.

Well, Caspar, if people made 100 variants of 109 it's because they wanted it. Why did you release 20 more versions of Spitfires in your last update if you thought you don't need so many planes from one type, then ?

About new cockpits, well, if you take for example new 190 cockpits from Claymore, you can forget about any standard you have in IL2. At least, his cockpits look like 2011 cockpits. Sure, they are heavy in size, but they look WAAAAY better than standard ones.

About Ranwers, sure it's not always perfect but he's improving and except his cockpits I really dislike, external models are rather good.

Modders also brought great things :
- better looking bombs and rockets,
- New loadouts,
- Weapon corrections, you know, like uneven bomb blasts for bombs of the same type & size...
- etc..

I support TD's work but man, what's with the perpetuous bashing you and Saqson are doing on this board ? If you have too much free time and don't know what to do, go finish that 4.11 instead of trolling about other modders (some of them amateurs but not all of them) doing mods for free, fun, and on their spare time too !

Don't think you guys are the only one to have the talent. That's overly pretentious from you.

My first post here at 1C
May I start by quoting AndyJWest,who's thread everyone is posting in

Here I would like to quote a small section of AndyJWest's first post

I assume Nearmiss is a Modertor,
and if so I do wonder why this thread has been allowed to go on like it has.
Especially when a lot of posts are in direct conflict with what was asked by the author

These are just a few of the posts I feel have nothing to do with this thread,
and should have been followed by some Moderation

It seems that certain individuals can carry on however they please...

If you do not care,why then be so vocal and opinionated

calling peoples opinions lame,
because they do not follow your ideals is rather.... well, lame

More complaining about Modpacks,
against the direct wishes of who started this thread,
you don't seem to follow any rules or guidelines in posting


More complaining of Mod packs,
I wonder why you would even want to be apart of a discussion on Mods
Can you not just ignore something that you do not like,yet others do
Or is it that others like something ,that you do not

More complaining of Mods,
yet you say they can have it like you don't mind

franken plane modders do not expect there frankenplanes to be in any official add on,so why even think they do

Do you really need to be calling people liars,
where are your manners


Then why be so vocal complaining so much about Mods,Packs ete ete

complain,complain,complain...

If this forum has rules,
it must have some basic rules of behaving in an adult manner

Why do the slaves need to be Chinese,
rather a rude and racist comment IMHO

Why post in this thread then,if you do not need or want

This was my first post at this forum,and it may very well be my last!
I suggest that if Mods,Modpacks,Franken planes or whatever else your problems are...that they should be left out of any Mod related threads!

Regards
KaBoom

If you read a bucket of downright nonsense poured over you would you stay out just because you haven't used mods? ;)

Everyone's got an opinion and you are absolutely entitled to have yours. But whoever opened these boards to such discussions must have known what was to come.

What ? Lame troll by DT members ? Go work on 4.11 instead of doing this.

There is generally only one thing, that we want to show: That many mods (not all) are bad made (either by the lack of knwoledge or the impatience of the authors), and that we are annoyed by the repeated requests to us to include such bad mods into the stock game, and that we are sick of being told to be arrogant, if we state, that we won't do it. Thats basicly all.

I admit, that there have been some picky habitus sometimes and ugly words are spoken. But thats not just us at least.

And its not only about talents... its also about knowledge and how you get it.

I didn't read anywhere that this was only a 'Mods save the world' forum.
So why I'm not supposed to write my oppinion about mods here?

Do I need to remind you again,with a quote from the author AndyJWest...
what the thread was suppose to be about

The thread was not a "state your opinion" thread on Mods
Why would you assume it was

I suggest go and reading what I posted and quoted to begin with,
more thoroughly this time before posting

Also,go read the authors first post

BTW,nobody said or posted anything about it being a save the mods world thread... let alone let's bad mouth mods and those who have made any

It seems no matter what is posted,it is either to lay blame,insult or for some to defend

I find it all a little bit absurd to say the least
Quite humorous to see how offensive Mods are to some people