Originally Posted by Sutts (Post 168094)

I see quite a few comments on the dense smoke effect. Over the years I've watched hours of combat footage and tend to agree with Philip that grey or white smoke is most commonly seen when aircraft are going down. However, after a quick trawl of the web I've found a few original shots which back up the effects we're seeing in SOW.

What I don't fully agree with is that burning high octane fuel always produces billowing black smoke. I've seen countless images of torching bombers with absolutely no smoke at all (see images below). I think this may be due to:

a. Air speed - this creates a bellows effect and supplies enough oxygen to the fire to burn very cleanly. I think when bombers explode or spin and fall and large quantities of burning fuel is dumped into the air, the reduced speed creates a less efficient burn and the black smoke becomes more evident.

b. Other materials burning with the fuel. If rubberised fuel tanks or oil from ruptured tanks burns with the fuel then the smoke will be much darker.

I'm including lots of piccies below so you can form your own opinions. I've grouped them according to how dark the smoke is.

First The Dark Smoke: I think the 4th one is a particularly good match for what we've seen today.

Originally Posted by philip.ed (Post 168154)

What you have to bear in mind from that 4th shot is that all the engines may be on fire (or if fuel had leaked across the whole wings surface then that may be on fire too) so this thick black smoke may just be all the smoke-trails merging together. It does show, though, that what Oleg has shown is not neccesarily wrong, but the size IMO is wrong. I mean, even the smoke in this shot is not as thick as the one in Oleg's shot, and that one only has one engine on fire! :-P
It also shows the size of the flame.

Originally Posted by Ekar (Post 168077)

http://forum.yuplay.com/index.php?ac...pe=post&id=575

However you'd rate WOP in terms of its flight simulation, graphically it is a powerhouse. Just look on that last shot, where the outside moisture creates a reflective sheen over the metal. I've never seen that before, it's truly gorgeous. And WOP is full of these little touches... Speaking graphically, it's kind of a shame to me that for some this game already seems to exist in the shadow of SOW.

Originally Posted by zapatista (Post 168171)

so now you have looked a little deeper into the facts of the matter and found out what actually happened in real life ww2 aviation, we'll just interpret that last statement from you as a retraction from your earlier hasty and inappropriate harsh criticism which called the work-in-progress BoB smoke/fire screenshots "wrong"

:) :)

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Originally Posted by Splitter (Post 168112)

Not saying you are wrong, but I decided against downloading WoP. I read too many negatives, didn't like the "YuPlay" thing, and wasn't sold on the realism...


...So...take my enthusiasm for what it is worth. I am basically neutral in all of this because I come from older flight and combat sims while mainly researching the current (few) flight sims. That research is what drew me to C1's new release.

Splitter